Smith and Burton were both certain levels of stupid in this whole situation. Smith had been in the film business long enough at that point that he should've known a journalist that he was supposedly even very friendly with would NOT write that article making it clear he was just kidding with those quotes. I mean he was just fucking dumb (notice I don't say 'naive') to think that piece wouldn't read as straight and matter of fact like that. Thus upon hearing of it, Burton would have no reason to think Smith wasn't being plainly serious, so he got defensive. But then it was also very stupid and shortsighted of Burton to drop the "knows I would never read a comic book" to slag Kevin off when there's already information on the record of him indeed being familiar with some comics. Even comics fans who liked Burton's take on Batman could be expected to find such a statement odd and off putting, disdainful of the art form. and I can't believe I'm seriously leaving a comment on a 15 year old video lol
Doing Burton's Planet Of The Apes remake had more ripples in Mark Wahlberg's career than he could've imagined at the time. Given how they were just coming off their shared experience of "The Perfect Storm", when George Clooney was putting together the first Ocean's movie he fully intended on carrying Wahlberg over again to have him play the role that Matt Damon eventually did. But Wahlberg had already committed to Burton by the time Clooney asked. Not that Wahlberg still hasn't had a fairly steady and successful career, but still. Clooney and Damon have done plenty other stuff together even besides the Oceans franchise, Marky Mark never seen in his world again.
This is why Kevin smith gets so much in trouble, whats funny to him and his friends, it's not funny to other people, and him opening his big mouth has cost him, friends in the industry, and more, he doesn't understand how professionalism works especially to people with soft feelings, I have met him I love his films and everything but when he talks, man the guy needs someone to filter his mouth before it leaves his thoughts, met him a bunch of times, and the guy is still a movie fan a comic book nerd, in a sense he represents the regular joe of any of us, and that's not always too good in shady hollywood
so...Smith knows first hand that the guy, who wrote the article, doesn't care about what actually happened, but just assumes that whatever the guy wrote about Burton was true?
"Posted 10 years ago" I remember when the longest time a video could have been uploaded was "2 years". Jesus Christ. There are toddlersfrom around this time that are preparing for High School.
I remember watching Smith's talk (and a few talks by Stan Lee) in the spring of 2010. My memories of doing that are older than Backstreet Boys' Millenium-album was back then. Growing up is awesome, being a grown up is an inferno of "that was _that_ long ago?"
Kevin Smith is a sad man. Search him on RU-vid (erm, well, here you are) Kevin Smith tells how it is to work with Bruce Willis Kevin Smith on Prince (funny) Kevin Smith talks about Tim Burton Kevin Smith Describes What He Saw On The Star Wars Episode VII Set Kevin Smith talking about George Clooney Kevin Smith talks about what villians he would use in a Batman movie (lol?) Kevin Smith on Superman Returns and Star Trek Good fucking christ. SHUT UP.
I think everyone needs to know that Kev Smith is a huge liar. He's known fro lying about stories to make himself look innocent. He probably didn't even mean the article as a joke He was probably just as pissed as Burton
+Neil Corcoran Not once does Kevin challenge Burton's artistic integrity. He is simply telling a story, what part of this is embarrassing to him? You are somehow trying to minimize Kevin's story by comparing him artistically to the person who made The Nightmare Before Christmas. Even if they were comparable as artists, that doesn't make any sense. His story is mostly apologetic, I don't understand why you are trying to frame it otherwise.
LOL, please, Tim Burton is the most overrated director ever. He's an art director, every film he does you know every minute you are watching a movie, not once are you allowed to lose yourself in the film, never engrossing.Dark Shadows sucks, Alice in Wonderland sucks, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory sucks, Planet of the Apes sucks, his Batman movies sucked. The last decent movie he did was Ed Wood 22 years ago!!
i had to pause at the 5:30 mark. this guy seriously talking shit about someone just trying to get by being himself. wtf thats what tim talks about is being harrased constantly for being himself. I see why people murder and kill them self completely now.. the world is filled with some bastards
+diction placement so you missed the part directly after that at 5:35 where he makes fun of himself? you think people take themselves too seriously to take a joke about them, everything in this is said for fun and for a light-hearted event
+diction placement Huh? Since when was Tim "being himself"? He wasnt. He was being exactly like millions of other people in the 90's. I say that as someone who was also an artsy fartsy goth guy in the 90's too.
Tim Burtons batman and batman returns are by far MY favourite of all time.. And ed scissorhands is a cult classic.. Kev smith is great.. But mall rats/dogma etc aren't exactly masterpieces.. But fun to watch nonetheless.. Just saying.. Peace
Anonymous501 He's not even good at what he does. Also, its just sad that he can't let Tim Burton go its been over 10 years lol... Other people in Hollywood have had much worse happen to them and bounce back without bitching for years and years. I would hate if this guy came to my college, he just seems like a loser.
Anonymous501 Clearly you worship Kevin Smith. I'm just pointing out Kevin Smith can't let shit go lol, its sad in my opinion. I'm sorry if I upset you, never will I challenge challenge your messiah again.
+Mikey Smith Ya he's obviously butthurt about Mr. Burton, whom I generally do not like, but that Batman that he made is still one of the best ever done IMHO.
I usually like Kevin Smith and his talks. But I think he comes across as a jerk in this one. He's writing "Fuck Tim Burton" on scripts fans are giving him to sign. Then he does an interview where he literally hates on Tim Burton. Then gets surprised and mad at Tim for getting mad at those things. Doesn't make any sense....
+ChameleonLost88 It actually does. You seem to have also misunderstood. Kevin was joking, but it didn't show in the article or the way the reporter phrased in when talking to Tim Burton's publicist. Then Tim was mad, but since he never gets mad and he just ignores this kind of stuff, Kevin was surprised. He thought "he must have been really pissed off to actually give a fuck about what I said" and it turns out he was right. That's where the joking stopped and the misunderstanding never got cleared. That's why Tim says "especially anything by Kevin Smith" and Kevin also feels disrespected for "no reason". TL;DR It was actually a misunderstanding and Kevin was joking, that's why it seemed that Tim went too far when he made it personal by saying he'd never read anything made by Kevin.
Tasos Kozi I do know he was joking at first. He was just kidding. But even he acknowledges that's not how the print of the exchange went. Tim Burton couldn't have know he was just joking. Instead of letting Tim know he was just joking, Kevin became serious and said mean things instead instead of telling Tim he was joking.
ChameleonLost88 Since Time ignores this stuff, he probably had no way to let him know he wasn't serious. My guess would be he was a dick because he let his pride take over, when he didn't try to respond with "it was a joke, no hard feelings" to the shots fired by Tim. And it an explanation/apology wouldn't make interesting news anyway.
+ChameleonLost88+ChameleonLost88 This video should of given a background on the "Fuck Tim Burton" comment. It was because Kevin Smith wrote a script for a Superman movie that when they asked Kevin Smith who should make the movie Kevin said "Tim Burton". Tim Burton accepted making the movie (Although it got canceled in mid production) but the first thing Burton did was dump Kevin Smith and his script. So that's what Kevin Smith meant when he said fans would find that old script to have him sign and Kevin Smith would sign "Fuck Tim Burton" .... I think that's great.
Alex Oelkers Ok, I get that part then. Then I don't blame him for thinking that way. But that's not how he's presenting this. He's presenting it like he's just joking, and how dare Tim get mad at it. I like Kevin, but he's odd in that way. Just like that whole tiff with Jenny McCarthy. Jenny once did an audition for him. As she was leaving she thought him and the people in the room were laughing at her as she was leaving. Later when asked Kevin said he wasn't and that he would never do that, which I believe him. But then he got so mad that he was doing interviews where he was saying that he was laughing at her, and then got mad that she got ever madder because of it. He just doesn't make sense when it comes to that sort of stuff.
I just don't believe KS when he claims he said it in jest. Who gives a journalist a quote , "I'm contemplating legal action" to be funny? Also, small detail. Bumble Ward is a female.
+Ignatius the way he frames it like Burton was outraged like he was incredibly outraged is just Kevin being passive aggressive as fuck, the dig at his looks and directing is thinly veiled by his own self deprecation
+Cat I took it more as what Smith jokingly thought, as opposed to how Burton actually reacted. It's unlikely he said "Fuck him up his ass", but he may have been annoyed
+Ignatius To be fair, he does these Q&A's like a standup show. Each question has a 3-10 minute answer that is replete with jokes and levity. I believe Kevin when he said there was no animosity from his end, if only because he said the writer he was speaking with was a friend who had covered many of Smiths movies in the past. So he might have relied too much on their rapport, which wouldn't come across in black and white text. Kevin even says he's used to saying shit without repercussion because most people in the industry are more political with how they say, and react to things. Burton laying out his thoughts on Kevin Smith, although reserved for the internet, is very emotionally charged for what one would expect from that calibre a director. Just my two cents.
what a passive aggressive whiney little bitch Kevin Smith is. Don't worry Tim, Prince hurt Kevins little feelings too. You're in good company. #KevinCryBaby
Kevin Smith is one of those guys who turns every situation he's been in, into some spectacular exaggerated story. In his stories he always has something incredibly witty and brave to say, he's always the hero.
At least he admits he's a "press whore." I didn't have any idea how much of a gossip girl he is. He gets so butt hurt and starts talking trash about so many people who couldn't give a shit about him -- probably don't even know who he is. Anyhow, the best part of his movies were Jay and Silent Bob . . . pretty much Jay.
I like Kevin. But as in most of his public feuds, this really comes off as a childish excuse. He provided "sarcastic" quotes and then encouraged the reporter to contact Burton? Why would he think anyone making a joke be worthy of an article in one of America's most circulated newspapers and why would his alleged joke be worthy of the the reporter contacting Burton? Does not ring true in any way.
+ComeOnMaaan he doesn't expect people to take his attitude seriously because he is known to be an easygoing guy. the joke isn't what was said, it's who its coming from. this happens every day if you follow comedians on twitter.
does anyone know where the clip at the end came from? It looked like it came from a different talk, and I would love to see the context from which that situation arose. Also, can never get bored of hearing this guy talk, so many good stories
