Ah yes I can imagine there was a bit of a difference there!:) as someone wise once said: “there are many ways to the top of the mountain 🏔️ “ thanks for watching!:)
I'm a big fan of Aikido, but that's not a real throw. The guy rolled on his own. We have two hands to pull or push. We don't throw anything just by touch. Not in this world. That is what a hippy would believe.
You are correct! Kokyonage is not a real throw. It’s a warmup exercise. Tori can practice entering and uke get to roll a bit for warmup! So I totally agree with your observation! The “real” technique would be taiotoshi or similar to seoinage or koshinage, if we are talking about the real throw alternative :)
A wise man said: first you must learn how to kill so that you later can choose to spare lifes. These guys jumped over the killing part and went straight to the spare a life part, its a shame because that means in a real situation they would never be able to kill nor spare anyones life, nor show anyone a better way of being, they would just get beaten. Im very sorry to see this happening in 98% of all aikido These days.
I agree! And many skip that part. Shishiya sensei talk about being able to choose if you want to hurt your enemy or not. To be able to make a choice you need to be able to do both. So please don't assume everyones approach based on one RU-vid video. Just as some are more interested in competing in a specific sport and some does it more recreationally, the same applies for out association where some can truly choose, but some cannot simply because they are not interested in it. Nishio sensei was a big proponent for cross training with other martial arts to broaden skills and perspectives (he had high dan grades in both iaido, kendo and karate aside from aikido), and we strive to keep that mentality alive and well :) Thank you for watching! :)
Here's an English translation of the transcript: 0:07 Make a big circular motion, grab the opponent, twist their wrist, and pin them down. We've been doing this for years to make the opponent give up because of the pain, ending the conflict with this approach. 0:20 We can understand this concept. Even if the opponent wants to punch, the pain prevents them from doing so. This is one way of thinking, but will the opponent really bend their wrist that way? Normally, they'd resist strongly, and nothing would happen. 0:42 When you start from the premise of whether this is possible or not, and then stop thinking, the conversation doesn't progress. If you don't understand, it starts with the idea of causing pain, but when you twist like this, it becomes a matter of how to avoid it. 1:00 When you grip tightly, twist, and pin, it's the same basic form of inflicting pain. This is the original concept. However, the opponent won't just let you grab their wrist and bend it. 1:16 To bend it, you need power, strength stronger than the opponent's. Only certain people have that power, and it's relative. You can use it on someone weaker than you, but not on someone stronger. 1:38 Controlling with strength involves applying force to weak points. But if you don't have strength, you can't do it. The fundamental issue is that power doesn't foster empathy or harmony. 2:00 Power can lead to arrogance and egoism, which we don't seek. So, you don't need to bend the wrist when you grab it. 2:20 Whether the wrist bends or not, it's not about causing pain. The issue is how to move the opponent when this happens. Avoiding the punch doesn't necessarily require causing pain. 2:52 If you don't want to hurt yourself or the opponent, choose a method that doesn't cause harm. For example, when grabbing, hold the back of the hand instead of the wrist, drop the elbow, and research this form. 3:30 In the original method, you twist and bend the opponent's wrist, causing pain and making them give up. While this is understandable, it seems rooted in pre-war thinking. 3:48 Instead, focus on preventing the opponent from attacking, not on whether they feel pain. The important thing is to place yourself in a safe position. 4:00 So, rather than using your hand, use your arm. Move forward to prevent the opponent from punching. If the opponent can't return to their initial position, they can't punch. 4:30 Try this approach. It doesn't cause pain and doesn't require strength. When new people join, tell them to keep their thumb open, so it's easier to enter. Then, wrap your elbow around, and it looks seamless. 5:01 If you rely on power, the opponent will resist and seek revenge. However, if there's no pain, they won't develop a vengeful spirit. 5:25 Even if they give up because of pain, the conflict might seem over, but the opponent may still harbor feelings of revenge. So, the conflict might not be truly resolved. 5:41 If the opponent can't attack without feeling pain, they won't think about retaliation. Repeatedly preventing attacks keeps you safe. 6:01 This way, I have slightly modified the technique.
Here you see Aikido done as an art from a grab to demonstrate technique. In reality/defending, the defender would be the one with the grip attempting to do the same techniques to the attacker with joint locks and off balancing and or throws. All possible depending on who's doing what to who..
That could be one way of doing it. Katadorimenuchi as an attack is a grab and strike attack though, not just a grab. Uke wants to control the lead arm, preventing a block, and then strike. We see it as Tori (the one defending) enters with an irimi and atemi towards the face/throat and uke grabs his arm in a defensive way instead of offensively. Of course that is just one of the scenarios since this is “kata” and not an example of free form (randori). Thank you for watching :)
Correct! Today you absolutely would use a gun, rifle, or perhaps a tank. Or maybe a drone so you wouldn't even have to join the battle personally. However, in a sword fight without armor (if you have armor you change the cut to go for the throat instead of the torso), or the translation to weaponless interaction it can work quite well if you train correctly=) But as I wrote to RandyWinn42: This is the basic kata form and not a pressure testing. Same as you have karate-katas that would be quite useless taken as is. But if you understand the meaning and purpose behind the movements, it becomes an entirely other thing :) Thank you for watching! :)
Truly beautiful art, but a lot depends on the attacker not keeping track of where the target is. When the target moves, the attacker should adjust the strike to continue trying to hit them. If the both of them were to put on protective equipment and spar, a more useful technique could be developed.
@@danielscorner yes, that concept is precisely what I was taught in aikiken as well. It is a beautiful dance move and useless in combat because in combat, uke notices the movement and adjusts. "so he cannot change trajectory" is not the case; tracking movement and changing "trajectory" is a basic human ability, and you can imagine why that may be when you consider that evolution is a pitiless force. I have years of experience fighting with 2-handed swords of all sizes, wearing full protective gear to get actual feedback related to martial truth. I know from experience that hitting a moving target is a basic skill. (This is not to exalt me; I am but a novice compared to my instructors and mates. One of the reasons I stopped practicing aikiken is that I was unwilling to learn the bad habit of trying not to hit a moving attacker.) And as for "kata" ... you fight as you train. If you are training to perform a nice dance or to develop spirituality, well ok why not? just don't think you are training to be martially effective.
Good points and I don't disagree with most of them. But we don't practice the aiki-ken to become good at sword fighting :) We practice the sword to learn to express our values: do you kill as soon as possible (the goal is to perform a killing strike with the first countermove, but we choose to not commit to the strike, thats the ideal for us anyway) or do you let the enemy live and try to find a better way? The goal is always the hand techniques and not the sword techniques =) It just becomes much clearer if you decide to kill with the blade or not, than if you chose to strike with the hand or not :) It's a little bit cluttery to describe in the comments field. But I aim to publish videos on the subject in the future =)
@@danielscorner yes, if you do something to achieve or to demonstrate spiritual enlightenment, that's great. However, would it not be better to do the same thing but with effective technique? Teaching that uke will not react when you move promotes an illusion of disconnection between people.
I think we might be talking past each other. For example the timing thing. If you move as a counter for ukes attack, uke cannot change trajectory mid strike, not effectively anyway. And yes good techniques are always better than bad techniques. It’s you start swinging a sword doing a vertical cut with actual intent, you cannot easily change it to a horizontal cut mid swing. Or am I wrong about that? Or maybe I misunderstood your point?:) I’d love to meet and discuss it in person. You seem to have a lot of experience with sword and the aikido is not in the technique but it’s philosophy, meaning we can adopt basically any technique and I’m always eager to learn new ones and improve :)
Thank you! Make sure to check out part 2 and 3. 3 is especially nice in my opinion! I'm working on the 4th and final part right now! There we go to Mt. Fuji and some other great stuff! =D Stay tuned!
I went to saeby for a seminar led by arisue sensei I am a SHODAN in toho iaido, Nishio was euch an amazing teacher, he said we need to improve our techniques constantly, I am now training MMA, and teach seminars of MMA
Nice! Yes aikido needs to change with the times and constantly evolve. Budo that doesn't evolve becomes stale and "dies". I agree with that viewpoint =)
Does anyone still believe in this as a martial art? Or do people appreciate it more love a dance such as ballet. It looks nice, but definitely isn't for fighting
You are 100% correct that it is not for fighting in the ring. There are two words in martial art. Martial and art. Different people put different emphasis on the martial and the art aspects.
Thank you for watching my video! And don’t worry no offense taken:) Nishio Sensei had as I understand it quite some training in jodo so I think he knew what he was doing. The “blade” of the Jo is actually the “edge” at each end. When you strike with that you don’t need much force. For example the movement under ukes arms symbolizes a thrust to the throat. And the ending strike toward the head is aimed towards the temple. With the impact point being a really thin bone and the edge/corner of the jo being very thin, very little force is needed :) If you watch nikyo for example there is a much bigger movement since the impact point is the knees and requires more force to pose a danger :) Thank you for watching and feel free to comment more :) I highly appreciate all respectful interactions 😊
It seems that the Jo is used like a sort of (imaginary) bladed weapon. The strikes aren't with enough space to develop blunt trauma, but all the movements recovery sense if you imagine a blade trough the whole stick. It makes sense if where done in traditional training with a bokken. I don't mean offend you, is just what appears to me watching your video.
