I love Stephen Krashen...really. But, he has given the same lecture for 40 years. Same pauses; same jokes; same spots. What we need is an update on his 1982 book. Have any commercial language learning methods emerged which are out-performing traditional methods? Be specific. Name names. Why is French In Action so beloved in spite of the fact that almost no one ever finishes the course? Is DuoLingo effective? Krashen loves Steve Kaufmann, yet Kaufmann is not an example of comprehensible input. He had 10 years of traditional teaching before he took the freighter to France. Update the material.
@@pauld3327 I meant that Kaufmann, himself, is not an example. He learned French, Mandarin and Japanese in classrooms. Those sessions certainly involved comprehensible input, but they were not based on comprehensible input. Furthermore, the most prominent military and intelligence language schools do not feature comprehensible input in low pressure environments. DLI, for example, features grammar and vocabulary in the highest stress environment possible. Professional language academies have rejected Krashen. Kaufmann’s LingQ service is very nice, but it is by no means the whole language learning meal.
@@slicksalmon6948 You have a point with the Defense Language Institute teaching grammar and vocabulary lists. Paul Nation promotes extensive reading like Stephen Krashen but also promotes software-based flashcards.
It's crazy that she thinks she has poor English . I would have been honored to go to her soju tent. She is very pleasant and has a very good variety of food on her menu. Going to soju tents in Korea are one of my favorite memories.
it is 2021. I am so far gone from my time in Busan, Korea, it's literally more than a decade, but for the two years I was there, Poko Lombro played several venues that I frequented. I know folks that knew Lea, though I don't really know any of them anymore. Especially those regulars back then at Kino Eye in Kyungsung in 2009-2010. Hearing Americana folk music in Korea was a wonderful grounding experience (even as I loved all that didn't remind me of home) and now in 2021, I am so happy to hear this song again. It sort of defined my years there, at least in some ways, because they played live as so many places I and my friends frequented. I remember their cover of Wondergirls "Nobody But You" became part of the set too because at the time the original was played at literally every shop and lottemart intercom. I would drink too much, talk to my friends about movies, complain about desk warming for summer break, move over to Gwangalli before midnight and drink enough to forget chunks of the evening. But what stuck was the audio sense. And Poko Lambro was there so often, all over town. Thanks to the poster for putting this up. the last comment was 10 years ago, but regardless, if you get this, really, thanks. I'm glad I have some way to hear this again. Also, maybe we knew each other or had mutual friends?
Yet another case of people mistaking ability to entertain for being right. It is obvious that reading is beneficial for a wide range of purposes but don't expect everyone to have hours every day to dedicate to reading to learn a language. There are more time-effective ways that Krashen (may I say 'arrogantly') dismisses.
This video has been gone pubic 9 years ago. However, I heard of Prof. Krashen accidentally just a month ago. The moment I listened to his speech I was mesmerized by his voice, his fluency, the subject matter he was discussing, the richness of the sentences he used etc. I am learning English as a second language and in actual fact not reached its full fluency yet. After 13 years of schooling and 4 years at the university, I had learnt hardly any English, even though it was a subject in our curriculum for nearly a decade. I have learnt some English, not because I had a good teacher, but I had a motivation to learn it from the day I left school at the age of 19 in 1987. It's the sheer pleasure I found in learning English that has brought me to some appreciable level. My reading and listening have given me the foundation knowledge. That's why I agree to Dr. Krashen's philosophy. Our country has been a British colony for more than hundred years. But unfortunately, today, there's hardly anyone who can speak correct English fluently. English has been an asset of the small elite of the society. The majority have been blaming the British colonialism and English, putting all the blame for the current ills of the country on the British rulers. Educationists, policymakers in the field of education, politicians making decisions about education from the apex level, university gurus, educated people and the students do not know the changes happened in the field of, specially, English teaching and learning. This is an unfortunate situation for us in this island country, Sri Lanka. I pray that the eyes of those who are responsible become open to sources of this type and the right policies are formulated for the younger generation to learn English the correct way! My sincerest regards to Prof. S D Krashen, whose voice I love very much ! Your voice is good to practice pronunciation. I wish you longevity, happiness and success in all your endeavors!
She was spot on “ the idea of reading books in poor families my need to be encouraged “ Krashen derailed her, and arrogantly claimed the typical liberal dogma. “ There is no message that will help poor people, just give them money and they’ll be scientists and scholars “ This is false, and poor south Asian and Indian immigrants who come and thrive in America are a perfect example of why. The difference in their outcomes is that they have certain values that other domestic American poor people don’t necessarily have. Help poor people, but encourage them to value education. For some reason that’s taboo. And I actually like Krashen. But he is a little off on that aspect.
What about audio books? I've listened to a bunch. At the beginning I didn't like them, but then I started listening to some in German, and suddmly I realised that my German improved substantianly,, believe it not...
I think audio books would be a good idea. Krashen advocates input as the primary driver for language acquisition, meaning reading and listening. He advocates for extensive reading, so I can only imagine he'd be in agreement with "extensive listening".
i saw his name so many times in PLLT and TbP that i felt i wanted to see him talk.. five minutes into the video i kinda can feel why he became such an important figure in today's talk surrounding teaching ESL
This guy keeps repeating he's done research that proves this point and that point but never gives any examples. Don't mean to be mean, but he has one theory that's stuck in a rut and has never evolved. Sees things in black and white when they are so obviously far more complex. How can you ignore the importance of repetition and practice as a means of becoming more fluent? Grammar helps you express yourself more accurately, which students need to do, as the interviewer tries to point out.
I am very confused. Dr Krashen is highly respected, yet how come I don't see his knowledge being implemented in Korea's English education system? From what I gather, the EFL industry is very textbook based. What I mean by that, is that people here seem to think that you learn English by writing in a textbook. There is no room for a teacher make use of any teaching methods. If kids didn't write in their textbook that day, then parents get angry and think you are a bad teacher.
Obviously, much more money can be made by teaching through traditional methods, just that fact is already a big motivation for academies to refuse using different ways. The whole method would eventually lead to students not needing the academies as much (Dr. Krashen's method is quite individual centered). Academies in Korea are quite a huge deal, teachers earn a lot of money and some have crowded classrooms. The reason is: students are mostly tests oriented. They are fixed on getting the highest grades. So, for that goal, grammar and text/book traditional learning methods should be enough to get good scores on the exams (work scenery is very competitive for young people, so being top students is of great importance). Please, don't be offended, it's just what I see.
@@user-wz6pj4zu5d hi there, yes you are right. Everything is centered around getting high scores, but not necessarily being able to use English effectively. I'm not sure about the earning money thing. The average salary for an EFL teacher in Korea isn't that great. When I worked in China I made nearly double of what I make in Korea. Maybe the Korean teachers make more money. I reckon the best thing is just to accept how things are in Korea. Koreans have their own thing going on and it's not up to me to change their system. I will probably quit teaching in a few years and start a new career.
@@CyberMedic1000 about the money thing, I was thinking more about the teachers of big academies where students spend a lot of time there having big classes to pass highly competitive civil servant exams (but that does apply to all subjects, not only english). You're right, koreans have made up their minds on what teaching methods they want for their kids. It's hard enough in the west to convince someone to drop grammar as a primary source of learning... so we can imagine how much harder it must be in a much more conservative society where they want to SEE the progress in their face (i.e. workbooks, tests and grades as proof of "learning"). Obviously, it does not work very well, realistically, as you said yourself, but it suits their style and its comfortable, so why change it? (that's the mindset). May I ask why do you think about changing careers? you dont think a teacher can autonomously integrate dr. Krashen's method in the classroom? I've been wondering about that, how it works.
@@user-wz6pj4zu5d The problem is that there is rarely time to do anything else in class. You go in, take attendance, and then supervise the students while they complete the textbook quota for the day. You also have to make sure that you leave the HOLY CIRCLE on each page immediately, or else you incur the wrath of the tiger mom and be accused of not caring about the children. So between marking books in class and helping kids complete their work before the bell rings there isn't much time for anything else. And that is why I want to quit teaching. I am not a teacher but rather a supervisor.
