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I really think this depends on the Mess, some are better than others. I would say in general we’re moving away from the FUCK FUCK games. Everything needs to have a reason for doing it. If it’s not adding value, we are removing it. It’s not perfect, we have some old school Chiefs that get off the rails, in fact a Chief was removed from this season for his conduct towards selects. We are policing our own. Good Podcast. Keep up the good work.
Going through right now, it feels like a rehashed version of a lot of the same stuff I've already done. The mess isn't bad, but the forced elements of having to go to people repeatedly that may not like me or are pretending not to is annoying.
Didn’t make it. Did everything they wanted and asked. Checked all the blocks. But apparently 120 others had the same as me and more 😞 I had 3 EPs all press 100 lol 😂
CPO season is a process that separates the CPO ranks to the rest of the ranks! That is why it is needed but haters going to hate because they could not do it and cannot make it! It is earned not given
My list of Favorite Post-Tour Submarine COs is as follows: 1. Butch Dollaga (SSN 766) 1st boat CO 2. Jay Pittman (SSN 725) CSS-6 Deputy, met while on (SSN 789) 2. Dave Grogan (SSN 789) 2nd boat CO 2. Drew Miller (SSN 766) 1st Boat 3rd CO
It’s crazy to me to hear you describe a disfunctional quarters to a tee, and I could agree with you more… and it be a direct description of the quarters I made Chief under, experienced a terrible season with and were the people that turned me on to you IN MY SEASON ORDERS… but then it’s relieving to hear you describe a good quarters and it be a direct representation of the quarters I transferred to.
Not saying you are, but please don’t lump all of us chiefs into the proverbial shit put your describing, I agree it’s an issue, but myself having been through the season and having a terrible time, have shifted from “shit on the selects” to “BUILD UP THE SELECTS” and we need to find a way to get the rest of the navy wide Quarters on board. Now having said that, there are still people that make Chief that STRUGGLE even senior Bros with 15+ years in the navy, over half as a 1st, that still struggle and still get selected.
1) I go way out of my way to ensure people don’t think I’m lumping them in. Pretty sure I said in those podcast “if the shoe doesn’t fit, don’t wear it” for that exact reason. 2) If they’re failing during the season or after, perhaps it’s because we’ve never adequately prepared them to that point. That’s my analysis.
This hit home for me today for some reason going through some of your stuff agian, I’ve listened to you for a bit, but today it hit. I have put the mission and sailors above not only myself but my family to often, and it’s not worth it anymore man, the sailors dgaf whether you bend over backwards for them or not. As a Chief it’s just harder now when there’s no real reward for doing your job, you’re literally just expected to give up everything for the navy, and nothing else matters. I’m not saying I need the mental health help, but it’s hard for people actually dedicated to our jobs like me to get that help, especially when the PRP is brought into the picture, which I know you know something about.
Let me ask you? The infamous word “ Don’t give up the ship” who said it? Captain James Laurence, after the Commodore told him not to confront the British in Boston Harbor, not only he got behaded, but he got 90% of his crew kill, he was prideful, cocky, and an idiot in all terms. That was my battle cry until I find out it’s where shouts absolutely despised, Captain Laurence gave the ship up the minute his disobeyed a lawful order.
I tried looking into this, but I only found a Boston globe article written by some distant relative of a 15 year old midshipman that was supposedly there. There were no sources cited, so from what I can tell it’s just the journalist sharing an old family rumor. Can you help me and give me some more info?
I totally agree with you! To think that someone could just arbitrarily tell a selectee that they aren't accepted after going through everything is a load of shit. Believe me, the blue shirts hear about stuff like this, and talk about it a lot on social media. This affects the E6 and below working for the Chief as well as that Chief. It's completely unfair, and needs to be stopped. It just pisses me off to no end. I can see where many Sailors would just think the Chief's Mess is a mess, a total shitshow. It's just disgusting and appalling.
Great video! I just found you via Reddit. I've been reading the CPO stuff on r/navy and saw your video. I'm a retired reservist YN Chief. I was initiated in 2004, long time ago. I learned some things about how they do things now. I was very fortunate that when I went through, we weren't hazed. Yeah, there were some head games, but nothing bad. I had a great sponsor who was a very good mentor. Our group was small. There were just five of us. Early on, we figured out what was generally time wasting bullshit. It took me a while to start pushing back, as I'm very shy and introverted. Once I found my voice though, oh boy! My sponsor talked to my husband and told him if he had any concerns to call him. I had more fun with the latter half. As a reservist, I found out early June I was selected, and we didn't get pinned until late September. Final night was a hoot. I totally agree with you that there needs to be a formal written instructor course. It's all over the board as to whether the season is mandatory or not. On both Facebook and Reddit, there are so many different opinions on this. Who knows? Your videos are very informative and entertaining. I can relate to much of what you say. Keep up the good work.
I think part of the reason the Navy has gotten this way is that certain training which was a lot less formalized used to happen a lot more often. But the modern Navy is a lot more instruction heavy and sees fit to blast people for not adhering to the thousands of lines of rules that a sailor has to deal with on a day-to-day basis which creates a very negative minded mentality on what a sailor is responsible for doing. That might be glamorizing "the glory days" a bit, and I certainly wasn't apart of that, but I genuinely think that there's been a shift in thinking with the Navy where if it's not written down it doesn't matter, which is a very dangerous place to be. Obviously, good ideas should be codified to some degree, but some things are best left out of being formal because the formalizing of it would potentially get in the way of whatever those things were trying to accomplish. A lot of the training I received in active duty was check-in-the box stuff that either missed the point of the training or was so ingenuine that whatever positive message you could glean from it was effectively lost in translation. And I think that the mentality of not doing something simply because nothing says to do it outside of vague platitudes is cancerous because it restricts a lot of training, mentorship, and development that are the backbone to making not only good sailors, but good people. I was trained, outside of the Navy, to care about the person to my left and right, and that if I wasn't doing that that I was a failure to both my teammates and myself. On the flip side, if we all, or at least most of us, did that and worked for each other and watched each other's backs, then you would have a successful unit because all of your "corners" are being watched even if one person can't see them all. This includes developing newer people and being developed by senior people, because you should pass down what lessons you've learned while striving to learn more from those with more or different experience simply because it makes the team better. I don't know what the solution is, but if sailors keep leaning on "command development" and instruction based teaching as a crutch instead of actually going beyond just following orders, then it'll only get worse.
We could barely do CPO 365 at a recruiting district back in the 2010s. Problem is many things that need to be taught in an OJT setting are being shunted into season, which by then it’s too late. No way to make an effective chief in six weeks. Dumb policies, admin requirements, etc. are obstacles to spending time with your guys making them better. On ship, we barely had time to send guys to “required” NEC schools, but could teach them better on board. Every season is ad-hoc shoved in between all the other requirements and instead of teaching and coaching, you’re right, it has mostly turned into chaos, and selects wonder WTF is going on. The stuff covered should be imbued into everything we do as sailors from the beginning.
@43:00 You describe who you want the MCPON to be, but the MCPON is picked specifically because they will not rock the boat. It's nearly impossible for anyone striving for these changes to make Master Chief, much less the entire CMC pipeline to MCPON and the decision process that comes with it.
Your "Command developed" comment was so true. The guys making these (not even) policies are so far removed from the actual Navy. The CO is there to manage risk, and this activity is such low risk and doesn't impact the mission that it won't get done any more than getting a check mark on a CRAV review.
Retired CT Chief here. Thank you for putting this information out there. I wish I could have listened to this before season. Season broke me and it took me years to get back to a place where I wasn't pissed off at the Navy. I opted out to put my mental health first and it took a real deal Master Chief to get me to acceptance. I've never really talked to anyone about this.
Hi DGUTS were you aware that your podcast has not been on google podcast (Now RU-vid Music) for some time? Would love it if you could get back on that platform.
Yeah I'm not going nukes 💀💀💀 I'm already emotionally stunnted as it is. No need for extra unnecessary trauma, the bonuses, and the fake validation of being told how smart i am by my recruiters and instructors lol A nuke recruiter rep told me id have a mentor all the time, suuuure... Will just do another rate 🤗
I think what you've been asking for this entire time is for an institutional CPO charge book. One that gets revised yearly on important lessons learned which every Chief should know. Integrate learning objectives into those lessons even if some of the tasks are impossible to complete and that might be the lesson.
In 1967 as a young sailor, coming on active duty, I was assigned to the transit barracks in NavSta Charleston, SC. As one of the Barracks Masters-at-Arms, I had the honor of working for James E., (Willie) Williams. BM1, Later BMC. He was a good man, taught me how to be a better leader and took me bass fishing on the weekends! RIP Boats, Williams!
Not sure why the algorithm recommended this but it was an interesting topic. I've always felt that loyalty and respect are closely intertwined. My default slides up and down based on recent actions and past precedent. If I get a new boss at work, they get a basic level of respect and loyalty until they prove whether they deserve more or less. I also feel corporations deserve zero loyalty as they have none to their employees. They are beholden to shareholders, not the members of that company. So I have no problem when someone shafts a Corp. I work now for a local civil organization, so my loyalty is more towards the public I'm supposed to be supporting because all our local taxes are what pays me and my coworkers.
Well I’m glad it did! And yeah, definitely agree. I would enter into new relationships with leadership with a boilerplate level of respect for their position only. Gotta earn the rest through actions.
Been there and done that (and can't hold a candle to Williams!) 365+ days; over 300 patrols; 22 firefights; saw 1 ship sunk (Baton Rouge Victory) "Boats of Glass" "balls of Brass" "PBR Forever!"
The one thing that I hated the most as a Nuke (MMN) was the constant exam taking, especially when the CTEs started to focus more on out of rate crap. Every month it was a CTE, some times two when MTT was around.
You know how our OPSEC calls out caught spies by name? The ethical training needs to do that as well. Knowledge that public humiliation can also serve as a deterrent. The only issue is DOD would have to admit it's a problem.
What a time to post this exact video. Some actively elect people who are fighting any ethical accountability. This signals to higher ups in the military that if they can get away with it, it's totally fine. I understand military it held to a "higher standard" but that's the trend we are heading to which is sad AF. Personal accountability needs a comeback from top to bottom so our adversaries know there isn't a weakness in our armor.
There is no amount of training that will prevent someone from being a dipshit. People who revert to who they really are. All you can do is hold them accountable.
I will put rhis in my watch later...that bloody song is in my head now. "It's the navy" i don't know if it's a real song or something people just made up. I will Google it
A lot of good information. Washington State needs these accredited VSO's. Our local VSO's here are volunteers, their hearts are in the right place, but they are zero help other than scanning what you give them and uploading your docs to the VA. Virtually useless IMO. The one you saw at the top of the bank was probably one of the best. I started my PACT Act Claim with the local DAV but have been managing it myself since then. I also had to do the homework to submit to my doctor, all the professionally peer reviewed medical journal stuff, that connected my cancer to my military service for a Nexus Letter, plus buddy statements about my exposure. A great VSO is a god send, but a poor one is worse than ever even submitting a claim.
When I made chief the BJM I read I got when I picked up eagle scout from the MCPON at the national Jamboree and it was the 1916 blue jacket Manuel. It made me who I was.....
I get the advise but i think you forget how it is for Junior enlisted. Some don't have a choice to slack on colaterals ect. On cognitive reframing... yeah that works "they aren't going to get me down" mentality has seen me through some rough years.
Minimum required standard mentality means someone else is forced to pick up your slack...A Chief with that mentality means E6 and below are forced to pick up that slack because they CAN get busted down.
What trainings do the Board actually look at? Can they see the trainings you completed via navy elearning if those trainings are on my ladder? I am under the assumption they do not view FLTMPS
All they can see is your PSR, OMPF, and your package. If it’s not in one of those, they won’t see it. Check your evals, but chances are you need to submit it with your package if you think the board needs to see it.
Great podcast. And yes, Dan is exactly right! Nothing wrong with asking for help. I retired in 92 with NO transition help at all, no disability checks, no mental health counseling, zip nada. We just 'dealt' with it. I've known Dan for quite a few years, and talked to him quite a bit back in the day.
Just subscribed, finally found info from those that are Navy veterans, I've got a couple of questions, I injuried my shoulder while underway in '87 but I didn't report it. (Young and dumb)! Now it hurts! How can I link this injury to my service. Also I was an OS and worked with radar for 3 years and have Type 2, any body experience this? Thanks
Best way I know of would be to try to get buddy statements from people that were there when you hurt your shoulder, unless you went to medical and got treated (then you’d need to hunt down your medical records). Once you have that, find a VSO near you and start your claim!
