I like lead/lag on FYA - one's coming to my hometown later this year (as part of a traffic signal replacement project), will be interested to see how drivers react to the new setup!
Update 2024-07-29: Project Plans of the Intersection, dated 1987, go to page 7 for the original phasing - mdotapps.maine.gov/VaultPlans/6097_m-1510(2)_m-1532(1)_m-1540(2)_f-038-1(31)_f-038-1(30).pdf
My guess is because people don't see the signal, especially since it's mostly flashing green at rest unless a pedestrian presses the button. People also run the older red+yellow signals as well too, though both are starting to be phased out with more modern signals.
Sure indeed, though most of these are starting to be phased out in favour of modern signal phasing. I actually caught this one by surprised on an unrelated visit a few weeks ago, so I had to actually see it in person when I had the time!
As of 2024-07-11, No Turn on Red signs have been installed on both Boylston St and Dartmouth Street approaches by the City of Boston. ibb.co/6nXc7T6 ibb.co/pnr4jKW
Weird...usually the flash is used for the phase right before the stop signal appears, and it should be used on the stop template instead of the walk template
Yeah I was surprised when I saw that when taking a look at this signal. This is a 30+ year old controller so I’m not sure what features it was programmed with. I think this signal may be slated for removal in the long run with the upcoming downtown revitalisation.
13 of the 14 signals in Sanford are currently being replaced by MaineDOT as part of replacing 210 signals statewide for their BUILD GRANT… some of the controllers I’m told are upwards of thirty years old at this point. This signal in this video is not being replaced by the DOT project.
Interesting they did not go with a "HAWK"-style hybrid beacon, like outside the Presidents Place high-rise (that was the first such hybrid beacon setup I ever used).
Yeah I think this might have been a contractor mistake of putting the wrong signal and/or lenses in. IIRC, should just be a simple fix of replacing the lenses or LED modules. The old signal had all left turn arrows BTW.
I want to say there are very few around the Nashua, Manchester or Concord areas too, but I’m not entirely sure. Manchester or Nashua might be a better bet since a few of their signals look older, Concord has replaced a lot of signals with new equipment last time I went in 2022.
I live in Manchester and have yet to see one here. Within the past 5-6 years, it seems like they’ve cleaned up the remaining ancient equipment. I’ve never seen it active to confirm, but I suspect the fire station on Mast Road in Goffstown has one though. It has an obvious ring of separate LEDs around the red
@@hawktheengineer actually if i recall correctly, there’s a similar configuration with the left turn signal being all circular in Hudson at Derry Rd, Library St and Highland St, with a 3M signal on SB Derry Rd. Runs independently with its own phase… going to have to tape that soon next time I’m in Nashua.
@@hawktheengineer At least in Dover/Portsmouth so far, there’s been a push to upgrade the signal controllers to the latest ATC standard (on non-NHDOT maintained signals) which also includes replacing other equipment and putting those yellow retro reflective strips on the signal backplates too.
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Doghouse it is! It was just unusual that it was operating as a seperate signal in fully protected mode rather than in protected-permissive mode (shared or Dallas phased).
One problem is that the walk signal is dead and the numbers are not working. Another problem is that the northbound crossing shows the number 99 for the entire phase and goes to 0 once DW expires.
Flashing yellow has always meant caution, but never before did it mean yield. For example, a classic four-way intersection might have a flashing yellow ball for traffic on the primary road, combined with a flashing red ball for the cross traffic. The new flashing yellow arrows are not intuitive. Knowing the old rules, a driver might infer they should use caution turning left, but not that they need to yield to conflicting traffic. Of course, the real meaning of the flashing yellow arrow is no different than a solid green ball, a status which has been around since signals were introduced and which comes with the meaning of yield when turning left built-in. I realize the new flashing yellow arrows are intended to emphasize that, but I really think they will cause more problems than they solve.
Yeah, this isn't good. Especially with the actual yellow trap this is causing. It's ironic because the FYA is supposed to eliminate that. A lead lag setup could work here but with protected only movements due to the geometry of this intersection.
The FYA only eliminates yellow trap if they are installed and phased correctly. Since the opposing traffic is a single lane approach, a W25-1/2 sign or a(n) FYA 5-section signal with the correct overlaps should be installed on that approach. Split phasing will also work as well, though I'm not too familiar with how this intersection performs in the rush hours. Fully protected lead lag may not work given that the other approach is only a single lane as well.
I really don’t like that! Maybe some double lefts can work okay with permissive phasing, but there just seems to be too much going on here for it to be safe. Especially with oncoming drivers trying to make left-turns in between cars waiting for gaps at the dual left.
Yeah, I was suprised to see an actual double permissive left turn close to where I live (especially in MA), as 99% of the time those kind of movements are set to fully protected or split phased. The opposing traffic is yellow trapped however, opposing signals are just circular green. At least there is little to no pedestrian conflict here as it's exclusive ped. But yeah, too many things happening with a wide intersection to make it safe.
I was looking at this intersection on street view, and it looks like it used to run split phase. Does the oncoming “circular green” approach have a dedicated left-turn lane? If it does, they could run it “lead/lag” as @TheTrafficTech suggested.
So, I went back to look at this intersection yesterday for a second time just to look at some other attributes. The oncoming traffic is a single lane approach and no, it does not have a W25-1/2 sign on the yellow trapped approach. Exclusive pedestiran phase as well.
I thought I recongised that intersection en route to Peabody/Salem the other day! It was the fact the left turn signal were all circular that caught me off guard initially.
Since the approach is listed as a “straight” and not a “right” movement, I’d assume it’s automatically one even with no NTOR sign. Since the old “right” turn signals were both a doghouse and an inline-5, I’d assume there may be a phase where the FYA would flash in the future.
Unfortunately, I'm even farther away from this location - I only taped this signal since I was down in Woodbridge for basketball games at the time (Rutgers and NJIT). My apologies!
Maryland SHA had the audacity to ban flashing yellow arrow in the state just because they pioneered the flashing red arrow with Delaware. I find no engineering basis for that.
Intersting how their FRAs permissive phase (overlap) is not tied to the opposing thru green like FYA to prevent yellow trap, though I only saw three at the time of this video (this one, one near either Baltimore or UMBC, and another one near BWI). I'm not familiar with how FRA works though I'd imagine modern installations would be similar to FYA and their overlaps.
You might need to have a personal traffic, light collection like others and just get those navigators in your collection if this ever happens tomorrow.
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I SAW SOME FLASHING YELLOW ARROW RIGHT TURN SIGNALS WITH RED ARROW IN CONCORD NORTH CAROLINA BUT IT'S THE FLASHING YELLOW ARROW SIGNAL WITH GREEN ARROW AS WELL YOU KNOW LIKE RED ARROW SOILD YELLOW ARROW FLASHING YELLOW ARROW AND GREEN ARROW LIKE THAT THERE WAS 2 OF THEM THE INTERSECTION THAT HAS THEM IS ON CONCORD PKWY S THAT'S THE NAME OF THE HIGHWAY THERE ON
WELL NORTH CAROLINA HAS RIGHT TURN SIGNALS LIKE THAT BUT BUT IN NORTH CAROLINA WHERE I LIVE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE CIRCULAR RED SOME OF THE RIGHT TURN SIGNALS HAS RED ARROW BUT MOSTLY THE WHERE IT'S RED ARROW SOILD YELLOW ARROW AND GREEN ARROW AND OF THOSE RIGHT TURN SIGNALS IN MY STATE HAS CIRCULAR RED
Turns out this is a MassDOT install and MassDOT maintains this signal, not the City of Weymouth as I initially thought. MassDOT has been notified about this dangerous yellow trap conflict under MUTCD section 4D.05.03.E5. Is the FYA overlap for right turn signals supposed to be programmed with the opposing thru like with FYA left turn signals? Or similar to how a shared PPRT would work? I'm not too familiar with how FYA right turn signals should be programmed. Assuming a fairly recent TS2 or ATC controller... I'm guessing there is something to include or exclude phases and or additional settings to prevent this conflict from happening.
@@FwyDriver I think the right turn FYA is operating correctly? Right turners would yield to peds but would take ROW over opposing left turners. I'm only used to slip lanes/channelized right turn lanes here in Wi with FYA right turn signals- in which the right turner actually would yield to the left turner. Personally, I would rather see a solid red arrow used during the parallel thru movement and utilize proper signal separation OR have it show a solid green right turn arrow unless a ped phase is called. Having it run FYA 24/7 when there's nobody to yield to will desensitize drivers to the aspect when it comes time to actually need to yield to someone.
I was on the way to another intersection / destination in Brockton (hint for next video) and this intersection was on the way, so figured I’d drop by en route to my destination. By the way, did you get my messages (via email) I sent you on 10 May 2023 as well as sometime in mid June as well?
@@major6412 Agreed with that fact - drivers in my home state of Maine as well as the neighbouring state of New Hampshire seem to get confused easily by them (Especially FR).
