I played Commandos 2 a long time ago, not really understanding what kind of game it was as I was a kid. I recently bought Aliens Dark Descent and forgot how much I enjoyed real time tactics games.
This vid was suggested to me at the perfect time; steam discount on all(?) mimimi games. It will never be the same as playing commandos 2 as a kid, but i have to agree that shadow tactics is pretty awesome! Probably better than playing commandos 2 now even with the nostalgia factor. great vid !
@@mabdullah1667 No I didn't. It wasn't out yet at the time I released this video. And despite that... it is actually mentioned in the upcoming games section. At the time, it was known under Codename Susskartoffel, only we didn't know much about it.
One game I bought when I was young was Rebels: Prison Escape (2003) I had played both commandos 1 games and i felt like home with this one. I had so much fun and the setting is quite fitting to the stealthy isometric gameplay. My memory is a bit blurry about how good it was but the nostalgea sure hits hard.
Not my favorite, especially from that gaming golden eta that was 96-98 but it definitely has a place in my heart. This game is beautiful I love the graphics and I remember this game was HARD
Who could have expected few months after uploading this video, Mimimi studio shutdown. I'll be a long time until the next Shadow Tactics like genres changing game appears.
@@GhenTuongHB Aye, Mimimi were past the point were they perfected the genre basics, and in Shadow Gambit they were experimenting with new and interesting stuff. We can already see followers cropping up (the most obvious being Sumerian Six, the demo felt almost like a legit Mimimi game), but it may take these newcomers a while before they get to the same level. I also hope some of the people at Mimimi find work elsewhere and make some great games in the future, in whatever genre.
Commandos 2 is the best in the series, it's a masterpiece. I am still playing it, alongside Robin Hood : The Legend of Sherwood and Desperados 2, which, again, it's the best in the Desperados series. Slow gameplay ? well, it's a stealth game, not a first person shitter. And the 3rd person when you do not need to be in stealth, it's a blessing. In the first Desperados game, there is only real time, bird's eye view, or isometric, whatever you want to call it. To be stealthy was almost out the window and the isometric view made it difficult to hit a target. That was bad when you were getting rushed by multiple enemies. In Desperados 2, some missions require you to be stealthy all the way or to a certain part of them. After that, you switch to 3rd person and kick ass. The 3rd missions, with Doc only, it's awesome. He has no need for stealth. His Colt has a longer barrel than Cooper's, making it more accurate and with a bit more range but not a fast shooting weapon. He can also turn it to it's SNIPER variant, which the uploader, didn't mention AT ALL. Desperados 2 and the Robin Hood game are awesome in certain ways. In Robin Hood, the music, the setting, everything feels like old times, even some chat. It immerses you well, to the point that it feels as if you're watching a Robin Hood movie but you are the director.
@@dennissinned6299 To be clear, I am glad that you like Desperados 2 and its stealth and shootouts. If you like it, like it! and have fun! I think you've explained your preferred playstyle quite well and I can see how Desperados 2 makes more sense to you than to me.
@@waskerton Yeah, no hard feelings or anything, it's just that all people are different here and there, we all have likes and dislikes, same as with everything else in life. I do not care about technical details, i play games in 1080 resolution cause i am 60 years old, i have to squint or lean close to the monitor to see better and it's not comfortable either way. Glad we understand each other though :)
Hello and thank you for this video, which I found well prepared. Are you planning to do some updates on Commando like releases since you made the video (if there was any)? I am currently playing Partisans 1941 and I understand your point about the russian propaganda. I like the game and my only complaint is the lack of a real coordinate action mode. The tactical pause isn't enough IMO. I'll definitly check Shadow tactics!
There were a bunch of updates (Shadow Gambit released, Red Glare and Frigato released, a bunch of games were announced, other commenters pointed out some stuff I missed, etc.). I wish to make an update video at one point, but I won't do it until Commandos: Origins is out, I think. We'll see!
How is Partisans 1941 a propragnda? It is the nost generic story. You are nasically fighting Russian collaborators with ocational German soldier. You can literally transport the entirestory to French partisans or Greek partisans and nothing would change. As for other games I recommand Hidden & Dangerous, Crookz - The Big Heist and Invisible Inc. (Not sure if Invisivle. Inc is part of the genre, haven't played it yet).
@@aleksapetrovic6519 Glad to clarify: Partisans 1941 is a one-sided positive depiction of Russian military. It does not tackle any uncomfortable topics. You're correct that the story could be transplanted to any other country: it's simple, all it does is celebrate the successes and moral superiority of Russian state and people. I'm not normally bothered by propaganda like that, and I wasn't at the game's original release. As I explained, the ongoing war has soured me on it. I am sure you can imagine I'm less inclined to celebrate the past greatness of the country perpetrating war crimes just outside my homeland's borders. That said, I don't know much about the creators of the game and I am willing to assume their angle was entirely innocent. Thanks for the recommendations! Some of these have appeared in the comments already and are on my list. Will give them a try eventually!
@@waskerton 1. It is I who should thank YOU. I look for videos like these to see new games and you delivered. Conzo is pure stealth game about hiest, Hidden & Dangerous can be best described as "Commando in 1st/3th persion" (I know what you said about criterias, but I do belive it deserves a spot) and Invisible Inc I haven't played, but it looks like at first glance it can fall in the category as it is about stealth team doing objectives (haven't seen cons tough). 2. I am not going to dwel into politics who is right or wrong, but I assure you got it wrong with this one. If you watched a single WW2 movie from ex-Soviets you would see it is generic. I can even imagine roles for some actual Russian actors playing the roles. As for depicition let's see. Red army is mentioned two times, first in the very beggining that Red Army is pushed far away and doesn't even know you exist for the most part and in the very last scene when Commisar describes a parade where soldiers marched streight into Battle of Moscow (true event). As for uncomftrible topics, again I really don't see your point. You are behind enemy lines and most of your enemies are German collaborators who are shown to betray their neighbors and doing many brutalities (one can argue they are worse then Germans). Then there is what I really love a looting mechanic which is good to aquire arms from the enemy and the dead, but also you can loot the houses which while obviously depicited as bad (your team loses morale which from gameplay standpoint is a punishment for either poorly managing resources or being greedy) also point to the fact that Partisans when necessary did loot (that is general rule, not exclusive to Soviets). And also for crying out loud, part of your team is a literal career criminal (thief in law). I really fail to see how is that "moral superiority and success" because on one hand your had literal traitors, while on the other hand the reason why your Partisan group exists is Red Army failed and keeps failing (4 of your teamates are soldiers who were captured or left behind by the army, 2 are civilians and 1 is a proper Officer who says fight is going on, but we are failing). That is far more then Company of Heroes that didn't even hint of Americans rapping French women or indescriminate bombing even toward civilians in occupied territory. And honestly we don't need it every time, I wouldn't be happy to have what I said in Company of Heroes and I am very happy that it doesn't have that (just as I really didn't like CoH2 campaign especially since some things were factually wrong) or that Il-2 and Microsft Combat Flight Simluator are just WW2 shooters. If you want actual propaganda games here are the following I am aware of: Syrian Warfare (Russian and Syrian forces fighting ISIS, at least Syrians were given credit for fighting for their own country) almost every modern military shooter like Medal of Honor or Homefront (they even proudly say how much they cooperate with US military), 1971: Indian Naval Warfare, Company of Heroes 2 (campaign has factually wrong info sometimes out of pure malice), Command & Conquer: Generals, Ancestores Legacy (same guys who created War Mongrel, all campaigns are good, but playing Teutonic and Polish campaign becomes very obvious they have certain favoritism), War Front: Turning Point (game is so Hungarian nationalist I am amaized it didn't drop atomic bomb on Trianon palace) Marauder (I haven't played one, but the stort is experience, trust me), Planet Alcatraz (made by a guy called Goblin who is OG Russian shitposter, but also nationalistic. The result is exactly what it sounds).
@@aleksapetrovic6519 1/ Glad the video was helpful then! Comments like yours make the effort worth it. :) 2/ I see your point and I see how there are lots of other games that are much cleaner and inambiguous examples of propaganda. I don't wish to argue much further, but I'm not changing my viewpoint, so let me provide one final paragraph of justification. :) I don't believe Partisans game is too generic to be propaganda. When pushing an agenda, the simpler and more digestible the message, the more effective it is. You point out the game having some grit to it (criminal on the team, etc.), which is fair enough, though hardly an uncomfortable topic compared to, say, crimes of the Stalinist regime. The message of Partisans 1941 is still, in my view, Russian partisans = good, and my concern is that to some people the natural conclusion will be that Russian military / state - by association - also = good. We may revisit the topic in a few years once the bombs stop falling in Ukraine: until then I can only admit I have a huge, huge bias, and nothing short of a peace treaty will change it. :D
@@varshard0 Hah, I skipped it on purpose because it's not a stealth tactics game. :D But I actually didn't hate it back in the day, it wasn't great, but there was fun to be had.
One thing I dislike about Desperados 3 is that mimimi turned it into a more puzzle game when limited ammo and cool down. It's hard to do a gun fight once your stealth fail. Unlike Desperados 2.
You missed Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steal. You have to go into options and turn on CTBS (Continuous Turn Based Strategy) mode, this turns Fallout Tactics into a great game. Some of the mechanics are a bit slow (storing loot), but in the fallout universe hiding bodies is a stupid waste of time, greatly improving game play. it is not a very good game in Turn Based mode because it is too slow. Turning on CTBS mode basically turns it into a great Real Time Tactics game. In my view this game was ahead of its time and i still have never found anything like it, though it is obviously a Commandos-like-real-time-stealth(optional)-tactics game. it is a merger of Commandos and Fallout leveling and looting. One of my favorites
I also thought so at first but when I realized that she can walk more stealthily towards enemies, kick them to the ground and then kick them dead she became third best after Sancho and Cooper. + She really shines at some of the later stages.
This guy spawned into this reality just to deliver this video to our species and then continued his travels through the multiverse never to be seen again.
@@jesusfreakpl nope. Fallout 1 & 2 are turn base, but the Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel that I mentioned above allows you to play both turn based and real time. You can switch between the two modes as you wish.
As a Chinese player born in 1996, I think I may have heard the 1937 when I read some articles about commandos-like games summary, but I bet most Chinese RTT lovers only play commandos, desperados, robin hood and the mimimi trilogy
"Crookz - The Big Heist" is a stealth strategy game about a crew of thieves and no lethal combat option which makes it pretty unique. Just saw a video by MediaKit about it and thought of this video.
@@mohammedhayder3776 I really, really liked it! I still prefer Shadow Tactics by a tiny margin, but all Mimimi Games are fantastic. Gambit has a bunch of unique mechanics and experiments, and it made the genre fresh again for me!
Hi Waskerton! Thank you for your great video. I am Chinese and I can confirm that the Mission 1937 has indeed some notability in China. I remembered reading the reviws of that game on Teenage Software magazines (which most kids buy because of the game section) back in early 2000s. And I did manage to play it for a while in around 2005. The game borrows heavily from Commandos and the character cast in it almost have a 1-to-1 reference from the characters in Commandos. The AIs are stupid. And if your reflex is good, you don't really need to care about breaking stealth and it becomes somekind of click shooting action game. That being said, the game is actually playable and the gameplay feels kinda... OK. It takes heavy influence from the rich works(films, comedy, TV shows and comics) about Sino-Japanese War and have some nice interesting touch such as you can use live chicken to distract enemies ( not as effective as cigarettes because they run away randomly after being placed). Still, people who are not from China may barely enjoy it without the context.
Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment! It sounds pretty cool; if only this game was made available commercially again via GoG or Steam and translated into English, I'd give it a try! Chicken distraction sounds amazing, love that. :D
I think you missed one title: Shadow Company - Left For Dead. It was released in 1999 and it was like Commandos but in full 3D. I HIGHLY recommed to play it, it is great!
War Mongrels worked with actual historians when consulting the events. Try to come at them with any history errors, because right now it looks like you simply cringe because you suffer from some weird nationality guilt, where it's really just your problem with being Polish, rather than "Poles having problem with perception of their history". Not because the game portrays the history "wrong".
The video is OK. But, but, but... Maybe you played War of Mongrels at the wrong time, I played it later, when it was already stabilized. That game is on par with Desperados III and Shadow Tactics. The maps, physics, layout and enemy characteristics are superb. It's really not right to undeservedly criticize the team and their work. They didn't deserve it. BTW, I'm not Polish, so I might defend them because of that.
I've replayed War Mongrels since and it's indeed much better now. I wouldn't say it's on par with Desperados III / Shadow Tactics in terms of level design, but it's competent for sure, so I suppose that's down to personal preference! I consider re-reviewing it one day, but making videos is hard and time-consuming. :) That said, the game released in such a poor state that it makes Cyberpunk 2077 launch look like a masterpiece by comparison. So I strongly disagree, the critique of the state of the game at launch is well deserved. I can give some bugs a pass, but if a game's state is so dire at launch that even the save system doesn't work, the developer should either delay it or label it as early access, or be ready to deal with unhappy customers. I've payed full price for War Mongrels on day one only to get a far, far worse experience then anyone buying it on a sale months later.
@@waskerton Cyberpunk 2077 didn't even start at release day, dude. People on Playstation could not start the game that they bought. Get your facts checked, cause you make a fool out of yourself here. You living in the same world or just hurt by the fact that they share nationality with you? What's that weird shame of being a Pole? Who hurt you?
@@waskerton Yeah, I played the heck out of that game and enjoyed it, I am a bit biased to this genre so I loved almost all of them, shame Mimimi closed their studio, they literally revived the genre
For one, it seems to have released one whole year after I made this video, so naturally it's not included. But then - is it a stealth-focused game? I don't see any mention of that on their Steam page, but I haven't played it, so I can't be sure. :)
@@waskerton It can be, and needs to be played both ways, stealth and fire superiority. However, the economy of the game recommends the game be played as much as possible in stealth mode. Immagine if Company of Heroes and Commandos had a child, who grew up with RPG influence.
