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The Seamaster is the Bond watch and the Speedmaster is the Moon watch. Even if the Speedmaster doesnt update/reinvent like the AP Oak, the Seamaster line has already done that a number of times with each new Bond movie. So I think we will see something special with the new one coming up.
Have the 3504 Titanium diver. Solid watch, very nice to wear because of the light weight and just good feel of the titanium on the skin. Only thing I would love to change is the movement to a longer lasting one (38 h reserve).
The Overseas, especially the chronograph, is my favorite watch, on paper.... In real life I do own a 38mm Royal Oak chronograph, why? Because the fit on my wrist is so much better and it's a shame. An integrated bracelet 42.5mm watch is big on any wrist and IMO the trend right now is to wear smaller watches...
the way V C are going they might go the same way as Bregeut a watch company with great tradition that gets overlooked . In my opinion they are leaving money on the table for others to take . I also agree that V C should make a accessible model to bring new customers to buy into the brand just like Rolex do with the O P it cant be that hard can it .
I love VC, you guys are spot on. Now do Blancpain. They are only the FF. Finally they reduced the size and they release the steel at Only Watch. Why not bring back the Aqualung Big Date? Leman Ultra Thin with the Breguet numerals? So much promise and they strike out every time.
Another dumb grey market video…. Most of the VC model are requests only and have to wait, VC one of five that does over 1billion in sales. Most VC clients are happy and willing to wait and have great relationship with AD. Stop with your BS, VC is what lux watch should be all about
Simple Solution: Remove Rolex / AP name so people don't mistake it as their watches just like how Brabus remove Mercedes-Benz badge on their modified cars.
terrible advice, you want Vacheron to pump out a thousand verson of the 222 and Overseas, just like the Royal oak? but you do make me even more excited to buy VC with this video
[sorry in advance, this comment is long, but bulleted with timestamps! lol I definitely devoured the bait here.] Yikes, these all just sound like ways to turn VC into AP that would make Chrono24 a lot of money in hype sales rather than respecting VC for what it is: a watchmaker for watch enthusiasts. But also, there's just a lot that the video got wrong. * 0:14 "They need to focus on the models people actually care about" - Vacheron climbed from 14th to 8th in Morgan Stanley's analysis of top watch brands based on turnover in the last 5 years. Also disputes "why no one cares about Vacheron" at 0:26 (2019 - 14th // 2020 - 14th // 2021 - 11th // 2022 - 8th // 2023 - 8th) * 0:44 "They have 10 collections. Too many." - Patek also has 10. Vacheron produced 35,000 watches last year, and Patek produced 70,000. So 10 collections looks like the right number to keep. If anything, of the trinity, it looks like AP is a bit light at 4-but-really-2. * 1:30 "They need tiers of watches" - They already have these, and they've positioned both the 222 and Overseas as their hype grails. Evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of their Overseas lineup is less attainable than the 222. This remark is interesting because it's contradicted at 2:02 by suggestions to dilute the grail. * 1:51 "They probably don't have any waitlist right now" - Nah the waitlist for two of the flagship US boutiques is 4 years for the blue rose overseas, though that probably changed with the green rose. * 2:02 "They need more gold, they need a white gold or a platinum, or a steel maybe" - This would put the 222 exactly in alignment with the Overseas and they would cannibalize an existing watch collection. It also defeats the argument for tiers made at 1:30 - the only reason (implied) that the authors don't consider the Overseas as a grail is because it has more attainable steel versions, but the moment you steel the 222, it'll directly align with the Overseas in all the same price points, including on the attainable non-precious end. * 2:10 "they're a bit too late to the party" - guys, VC's been doing the overseas since 1996, the Phidias before that in the early 90s, and the 333 and 222 in the 80s and 70s. Half the reason none of these after the 222 never really caught on is because they didn't lean into the marketing side, and yet y'all are telling them to split the marketing from the watchmaking (2:25). The reason the 222 caught on today with the hype market and the Overseas didn't is because they melded the watchmaking and marketing specifically for that watch, playing up the heritage and classic 1970s design. If they're late to the party, it's specifically in doing the exact thing you want them to stop doing, but then keep doing...? * 2:48 "lose a lot of the women's stuff" - please don't tell a brand to ditch their women's stuff without at least having a woman sitting next to you on the segment. * 2:51 "You're doing a lot of high horology just to prove you can do high horology, which feels like research and development without the sales" - all of these are already prepaid commissions; that's the market. Posting about it is just extra marketing value for the brand itself at that point. But this isn't the Lexus LFA or Bugatti Veyron where they sell each one at a loss. * 4:47 "what is the watch industry besides marketing [...] the industry is about smoke and mirrors" - guys, I'm less than 3 minutes in from the 2:25 "split the marketing from the watchmaking" comment and y'all already contradicted yourselves. * 6:10 "You have to be bold, otherwise your customers walk away" - their performance year over year the last half decade seems to suggest they're right where they want to be. --- The segment isn't a total disaster; there's points I agree with. * 1:30 "tiers of watches" - Whereas I disagree with the idea that there aren't any tiers, I do agree with a point y'all danced around, which is that VC should clarify what those tiers actually are. The 222 should be the throwback and the Overseas should be the modern take on the integrated sports watch. AP and Patek differentiate... differently... between e.g the Royal Oak and Offshore as well as the Nautilus and Aquanaut, but being more clear about the differences between the two would help the market understand why Vacheron has two integrated sports watches competing with one another. * 5:15 - fresh blood, collabs, new ideas. AP has a lot of misses with their outsider integrations, but to your point, VC doesn't do anything with outsiders. Hesitant about it because then it risks going deep into hype brand territory at that point, but bringing outside blood like disruptive designers for meaningful collabs would be an interesting twist compared to e.g the AP John Mayer or Travis Scott collabs. TL;DR: Chrono24 would rather have Vacheron become AP than compete with Patek. Though as my profile pic shows, I'm clearly biased.
I love their designs and that they’re not widely owned. They’re really beautiful pieces of art with simplistic style mingling with that art deco inspiration. In terms of beauty and unique elegance they are so beautiful. Would rather see Vacheron on my husband instead of a Rolex. Definitely high priced. Silent luxury yes.
My Baltic is getting great patina after only a 1 week of wearing it. Has not been in the pool or ocean yet, just outside in florida. Looks great and I like that baltic alloy will not get any green splotches.
Fifty six is their entry level. Looks nice to me. My VC target used to be the overseas but i think i like the patrimony and traditionelle lines more now
The 41mm doesnt wear large like most people think. The way the bravelt extends from the lugs is no different to any other watch. If you have an average size wrist the 41mm will look great.
A dead brand? 😂 Hardly. Revolution Watch reported that at the end of 2023, Vacheron Constantin joined the ranks of the billionaires’ club as the eighth brand to surpass CHF one billion in sales, reaching CHF 1.097 billion with an 18 percent increase. So just because you don’t appreciate or like what the brand is doing, doesn’t mean they are not absolutely smashing out of the park!
I’m a VC fan boy and i do agree with you guys . The malte and eegerie collections are a dud IMO .. and prices HAVE been increasing a little too much over these years for my liking 😂
The Datejust was my very first luxury watch I bought with my own money out of college. I went with the classic modern DJ blue dial 36mm/fluted/jubilee and I think it's perfect configuration.
If you're a one customer that's really into watches and find that you would buy the entire catalog if you can afford it i call this a great brand , who told you that VC wants to increase production but they can't find demand, VC is more like ALS than PP and that's why i love it , it's for those who don't follow the hype.
The Overseas Everest is an insane watch! I wish they would make more of those, no need to even call it an Everest, but take the majority of that watch and produce it as a non-limited edition. Also, Brad Pitt has done more for the 222 than VC has!
Person walks into a VC boutique - "hi, I like VC but I'm worried you don't advertise enough, most of your watchs dont trade at a premium after market and people think you dont have enough model lines", shop associate: "sir, maybe Vacheron isn't for you".
I fully agree with 222 model.... Thats was my wish for W&W 2024 (introduce in the steel)... I thing if they start to do it in steel, add som complication in the future as royal oak doing, materials and so on... would be fantastic for customer and for Vacheron as well... thank you guys for another great video 😉
I really don’t agree that VC is the one who should be pushed out of the trinity. AP and Patek are one and two watch brands respectively. The fact that Vacheron has more than 3 watch collections is a good thing if you ask me. Traditionelle, Overseas, 1921, corne de vache, 222… and they’re the only ones really spending time with grand comps. AP and Patek are where they are right now because of the Genta glaze, and that’s it.
How they are running their company is fine in my opinion. I think you guys need to reevaluate your own perception as to what horology is lol. You guys sounds like just wanting more contents to talk about.
I appreciate the differing opinion. All I’m saying is, if I had Vacheron-money to spend on a watch, I’d buy something else. But it doesn’t have to be this way.
Agree with OP here. They are in the top 10 with sales and climbing in the ranks within the last few years… How is that achieved if what you 2 are saying is true?
You guys said it. They can (and should) push the 222 with more variations. White Gold, Platinum, Two Tone and Steel. AP has so many dizzying variations of the Royal Oak. VC can do the same with the 222 and bring up the hype factor of the brand.
