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I've had mine for about a year now. I am getting ready to start the cleaning process. What do you suggest? Just dust them off and wash them off with a hose / maybe use a floor mop? No other cleaning chemicals?
Do you notice any difference in scratching from select and enhance? Just wondering being budget minded if I should go with enhanced for preferred colors or select for durability (protection against scratches). If scratch resisting is essentially the same, then decision is easy.
This is a great question. The shell on the select board is thicker and contributes to the higher cost. It does help in scratch resistance. Just a note, if your deck boards do get scratched, we typically are able to repair the scratches with a heat gun, as long as the scratch isnt deep, you can melt the shell back together by heating it carefully with the heat gun
@propertyrevolutionllc7346 Thanks. The Select line has 2 colors only now. Enhanced has a much better variety. I think I'm going to chance enhanced. We don't have pets. It's possible a tree branch falls but that would probably affect either line.
The Tru North composite has the holes through it in which the water can easily sit in after being submerged in a bucket of water. The holes are meant to keep the boards cooler in hot conditions than solid composites which hold more heat. Realistically, any deck that’s submerged in water is likely in a severe flood and your deck will be the last thing on your mind. The only thing that should concern anyone using the Tru North composite is to make sure your deck frame is built correctly and as rigid as possible to support the heavier weight of their product.
I definitely agree that none of the composite decking products are meant to be completely submerged for extended periods of time. We just wanted to do a test and see which brands would be prone to taking on more moisture
Trex is just ground up pallets and plastic bags, only reason anyone uses it is because they feed them leads from the marketing engine they have. Good luck 👍
do you think that it may have leaked due to the fact that the fasteners were installed in the low spots? That's the big mistake. Guaranteed leakage. You have to put the screws in the high spots.
The reason for the rice hauls is its absorbs less water. Also you should be aware that all composite decking is from recycled materials. The lowest quality plastic comes from plastic bottles and plastic bags. TruNorth hails from a plastic company that has been in business for almost 50 years. These boards are the highest quality boards on the market.
It’s because the metal was installed directly on top of the shingles and it needs to have a 2 x 4 or a one by four installed on top of the shingles for the metal to be screwed onto if you do not the shingles will work like a sandpaper on metal and it will wear through and you do not put the screws into plywood or OSB. They will work loose.
Thank you. I almost made this mistake having a guy install metal over my old roof. When I brought up the facts you presented in this video you’d think I was insulting him. I have leaks currently from hail damage and think it’s highly probable that we have deck boards that are rotten….. the roofer said that makes no difference when putting metal over the top of it. I asked about securing new material and screwing into rotten wood…..he danced around that question. I’m opting for a new shingle roof so that I know the deck is properly inspected….. and I went with a different reputable company.
You might see that I posted elsewhere that I did go over existing roof, but in your case, unless the roofer can guarantee that he's not screwing into rotten decking, that's a red flag. I was fortunate that I was able to inspect the decking from the underside and knew I didn't have anything needing replacing from that perspective. But, I totally agree, the decking and trusses must be solid no matter what kind of roof you put on.
Sounds like it wasn't even half installed right so not all the metal over shingle fault. You don't just buy panels together then caulk between them. There is massive installer error here.
Lol this guy would have a hard time selling in my area. He's literally replacing a premium roof product with asphalt shingles. He's replacing an ok.roof with one that will need to be replaced after the first 1.5" hail. Yeah a poor insatll a poor install.but an asphalt shingles is literally the most fragile.roofing product yiu could put on a roof. 😅 he probably doesn't even know this.
Thanks for the comment. An agricultural metal panel nailed over shingles with rotten decking, that actively leaks in multiple areas is not what most would consider "Premium product". West Michigan is not typically a hail impacted area like southern parts of the country but even if it is hit by 1 1/2" hail, the ag panel is going to dent, which causes fractures to the metal. We each are responsible to educate and take care of our customers to the best of our abilities, so that is what we are doing here. A metal roof, correctly installed, is going to be superior to asphalt shingles, however we so often see them installed incorrectly and are trying to bring awareness to the issue.
I just installed a standing seam over shingles. I inspected the osb sheathing from the attic with a flashlight and it looked good. We used 1-1/2" pan screws and they were grabbing strong. I think it will be a good roof. I'll give an update in 30 years.
We choose these 3 as a comparison as they are the most common products we see installed in our area. We have also installed dekorators and ultradeck along with a few generic products here and there.
We have big overhangs and high winds, so I’m kinda glad we got our metal roof installed on top of our existing asphalt shingles. Extra sound deadening and extra weight are kinda nice. The roofing company did install purlings first then metal.
The mistake was going directly on shingles. You must first frame-in horizontal furring that structural attaches to the rafters, then the decking issue becomes obsolete, because your metal is fastened to the purlins, not the decking. This also creates a breathable air gap, behind the Metal panel, which helps reduce condensation and keep your roof deck/attic cooler, because the reflectivity of Metal is greatly reduced when fastened directly to the deck, without an air gap. Certainly a poor excuse of an install here.
No. Just don’t do it. Tear-off, Do it right the 1st. time or don’t do it at all. Why isn’t the previous roofer being held negligent & therefore paying for the replacement?, is that at all a possibility?
Really looks like the roof was in bad shape from the start and not installed properly as you pointed out along the side wall. I wouldnt put all blame on the steel or shingles. I feel both ppl were crappy installers. Ive installed steel over shingles and have had no issues but the roof was also in good shape if the roof is crap i always tell owner we have to rip off shingles and start fron scratch.
Some years ago, I did exactly what you're saying not to do. However, I did not put the metal directly on the shingles. First, I installed horizontal 2X4 purlins attached down to the decking through the shingles, then spaced four feet apart, i inserted a 1" piece of foil faced styrofoam sheeting between each of the purlins. then attached the metal with 2 3/8" inch zinc SDST screws with rubber washers. Due to the steep pitch of the roof, no water penetration has ever been noticed. I was using 24g galvalume R-panels. It appears as if this roof was installed directly on the shingles, which, I agree, doesn't sound like a good idea. Oh, and the roof I covered was in good shape, no leaks known anyplace on the entire roof. Thanks. New Sub. :)
Thanks for subscribing. The method you described can work however we always recommend removing the shingles first to make sure that there are no underlying issues that get masked. Glad you project is performing well!
Plan on doing this same thing to my cabin next weekend. Hopefully it works out well. What size nails or screws did you use to attach the 2x4 to the base?
Roofing company did this to me. We had to get a new roof per our home insurance because of age in Florida. The metal option was cheaper. I asked if they were gonna rip all the shingles off for that price and he said yeah. The day they showed up i gave them about an hour and they had half the metal already on over the shingles. 🤦🏻♂️ i made the call to their boss and it was a $3,000 upcharge to remove the shingles. I wish they were more clear upfront, because im getting drywall cracks in my ceiling all around the house. Thats alot of freaking weight up there being an 1800 sqft house
We hear these kinds of stories all the time. Property Revolution started as a real estate company, and added roofing, siding, decks, and fences because we had a hard time finding quality contractors in Western Michigan.
Presentation to your clients about your products can be an important first impression. This wasn't meant to be an unboxing video, but we wanted to note our first impressions, since there was a notable difference.We do appreciate your feedback. Thanks for watching!
I agree that this test doesn't really indicate actual performance on installed decking, but it was interesting to watch. I would note the TruNorth sample has much more surface area for water to contact, due to all the holes running through the core. It is also absorbing water through the walls of those the core holes, which I assume are not coated. It would be interesting to see if there was any dimensional changes due to swelling. Good luck with your channel.
