@@pianistjustforfun Thank you! I actually “downgraded” to CK61 and I am relatively happy with the action (it is more “organ-like”). I occasionally play piano sound on it but generally it is my organ practice keyboard.

@@baransakallioglu Here are my notes about ES120 (I seriously considered getting it - it was not very noisy and I liked its action comparing with more expensive Kawai digital pianos although it was a bit more noisy than Yamaha GHS action): Middle C (C4) - ~52g C7 - <50g C6 - <50g C2 - ~57g C3 - >55g C4# - 50g - 60-65g (middle of black key) Relatively light at the fulcrum. Octave width: 16.5cm; white key length 15cm Key bouncing but a bit less than CA49. Action a bit noisy but better than ES110 and (definitely) ES520 and ES920 (very bouncy) Michael

@@franketti969 It is indeed. I actually prefer the action of cheaper CK61

@@ambridge Thank you so much 😊

@@Elazarko I would recommend it. You just have to be aware the the keys have shorter pivot (not much shorter) than GHS keyboard action and it may be slightly more difficult to press them closer to the fulcrum

@@mfurman I've seen others mention this as well, so that's good to know! I'm also considering the Kawai ES-120 and Casio PX-3100. I'll need to try them in-store to compare both the key action and sound quality.

@@mfurman I'm used to the Yamaha GHS action from our older Clavinova, which is from the year 2001, so I might lean toward Yamaha for that reason alone. Anyhow I should go compare these models in store.

@@Elazarko Great idea. It is always the best to just check it if possible.

@@mikefischbein3230 Yamaha actions are relatively quiet comparing with plastic actions of other companies. Generally wooden actions (or even actions with wooden inserts) are quieter. Yamaha GHC plastic action is quieter than most. I really liked the GrandTouch-S action of P-525. Interestingly the action of Casio Privia PX-S5000 is more noise on the upstroke that fully plastic action of cheaper PX-S1100.

@@rickn4198 It is is of course the same as the action of P-225 (GHC). This action has a bit shorter pivot than GHS action (GHS has a shorter pivot length than Roland PHA-4) but it is nice to play (even though it does not have escapement simulation). I probably prefer GHS action but GHC is not much different.

@@a_soulspark It is indeed a common problem. I was told a few times that the newer digital pianos with PHA-4 action are better in this respect but the last Roland digital stage piano (RD-08) still had this problem (perhaps a bit less). I think that Yamaha P-225 could be a good alternative in this practice range even though that GHC piano action has a shorter pivot length than PHA-4. Otherwise, P-255 has all the features needed and nice sound. If you can get P-125A (it has GHS action), it may be even better because of slightly longer pivot length of the action. P-125 does not have a Digital Audio Interface. GHC action is very quiet. Good luck, Michael Michael

@@ramonaquileshernandezbernal Thank you 😊 I like GHS action and sounds of P-125.

Thank you. I actually sat quite high: the bench hight is 57.5 cm and distance of keys to the floor is 63cm. 😊 Michael Ps. Here (as a sound comparison) is my recording of the same piece using Hammond B3 sound. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CVkR5IshYk4.htmlsi=GbTgHFRpNZg0Mp52

@@Alex-q1w3l I did not test it (I am only interested in organ part). Nord Stage has a different action than Electro 6D 73 so it would be difficult to compare directly

@@Gunbardo I had it for 7 weeks or so. The reason I returned it was that I decided to only play acoustic piano (Yamaha C7 - three time a week) and practice piano using a MIDI keyboard with my piano VSTs. I got interested in learning to play organ and needed funds to order (after a couple of weeks of deciding) Hammond XK-4. 😊

@@fifaham Thank you. It is very interesting what you are saying

@@fifaham All the plastic actions developed clicking after some time with heavy use.

@@davidleigh3346 LOL. They have been pretending that there has been no issue with the clicking noise for quite a long time. I had a few Roland digital pianos, including FP-10, FP-30X, FP-10 ARC, RD-08 and A88 mkII MIDI controller - all of them developed some level of this noise in 2-3 months of intensive use.

@@gupsdhamrait THANK YOU 😊

@@brb4530 Thank you 😊

@@matiasezequiel6325 Hello, that you. I had all the three digital pianos, you have mentioned. If you are practicing on an upright piano, you should try to match the feel of the action of that piano and the action of a digital piano. You should also remember that about piano key action has longer pivot. It matters (especially if you play classical repertoire) because it is easier to press the keys close to the fulcrum. PHA-4 action (Roland FP-30X) is the best in this respect, especially that is has three sensors (important for faster repetitions) and has a simulated escapement. PHA-4 has potentially a problem with a clicking noise of the action. This may not matter to you at all. GHC action in P-225 is the most quiet of these three digital pianos but it also has the shortest pivot length. Both GHC and GHS has a lower downweight than PHA-4. Here are the numbers: P-225 Middle C (C4) - ~53.5g C7 - ~50g C6 - ~50g C2 - ~54g C3 - ~53g C4# - ~53g - ~67g (middle of black key) P-125 Middle C (C4) - ~52g C7 - less than 50g C6 - ~50g C2 - 53g C3 - 51g C4# - ~>50g - ~72g (middle of black key) PHA-4 Middle C (C4) - ~65g C7 - ~57.5g C6 - ~62g C3 - ~67g C2 - 67g C4# - ~55g - ~68g (middle of black key) Yamaha C7 grand piano that I play on has a light action - C4 less than 50g As far as piano sound is concerned (and many other features) P-225 is the best. It is also the least heavy (11.5kg or close to it) All the best, Michael

Thank you, once again, Danielle 😊

Thank you Danielle

@@gupsdhamrait Thank you so much 😊

@@N1GHTSWARM Thank you 😊

@@DL-kc2mw It is 7 foot 6 inch grand piano 😊

How much does a piano like this cost?

@@DL-kc2mw The new one (it is currently discontinued) cost ~$87,000

Wow its a dream!! Before the piano I have to buy a big house to accommodate it😉

In any case, I enjoy the kawaii es 120 that you recommended to me, it is amazing!

@@DL-kc2mw Thank you very much. I do like the sound and keyboard action of Yamaha C7 Michael

Could you please clarify? 😊

It is the sound. The action feels OK and I actually prefer it to Roland PHA50 action (PHA50 is much quieter though). PHA-4 develops this upstroke noise after some time of playing. I have a recording of Shenandoah in which you can hear some of the noise during my playing. I play on RD-08 which has actually relatively quit PHA-4 action.

@@mfurman thanks!

Thank you. I like RD-08 but I have to admit that I always struggled with PHA-4 action, as far as clicking noise of the action is concerned. I had five digital pianos (and MIDI controllers) with this action (including RD-08) and all of them developed this issue after some time. The implementation of PHA-4 (which is otherwise a nice action) in RD-08 is much better than in the older Roland digital pianos but if you listen to my recording of Shenandoah in D played on RD-08, you could the action noise. Listen carefully.

@@mfurman thank you for your insight. Will definitely give it a listen

Thank you 😊

Have you had a chance to play Kawai pianos?

@@DL-kc2mw Yes, I played ES110 (noisy action - especially on the key return), ES120 much better than ES110 as far as action is concerned (action is quite light) and CA49 (light action, a bit bouncy, I did not sound much). I did not like the action of ES520 or ES920 very much (very bouncy). I also tried Kawai K-15 acoustic piano. The action was light and not bad although I prefer the action of Yamaha acoustic pianos.

Hi, I'm really waiting for my ES120 from Thomann Do you think its action is better than the fp30?

@@DL-kc2mw I would prefer ES120 piano to Roland FP-30X. Although the action of ES120 has only two sensors and no escapement (PHA-4 has three sensors and escapement) but PHA-4 develops an annoying clicking noise after a couple of months of use. I had six Roland digital pianos with this action (including FP-30X and RD-08) and returned them eventually all. I like the sound of ES120 and prefer its action to other Kawai plastic actions. ES120 action is lighter than PHA-4 that can be sometimes too heavy (more than 65g of downweight on C4). I seriously thought of buying ES120 and the main reason I did not do it was that I did not like the dealer in my area.

There are only a few differences between RD-08 and RD-88. Among the the number of scenes and physical controls (RD-08 has double or triple functions for one pots, for instance). The number of tones is the same (3000). There are all effects that may be needed. As far as PHA-4 action implementation is concerned, I think that RD-08 action is quieter that what I experienced in FP-10, A88 mkII and FP-30X. Here are the numbers illustrating the downweight of the action: Middle C (C4) - ~65g C7 - ~57.5g C6 - ~62g C3 - ~67g C2 - 67g 68g moves all the keys C4# - ~55g - ~68g (middle of black key) To get the sound C4 - ~ 86g C7 - 82g C6 - ~86g C2 - 86g C3 - ~89g I should also mention that I recently saw the price of RD-88 drop to the level of RD-08 (in Canada) Michael

@@mfurman Hi, thank you very much for the detailed answer Have you tried using it as a midi controller?

@@DL-kc2mw Yes, I did. It works well (I have a few piano VSTs). I did not buy Digital Audio Interface license (it is an option for RD-08 in contrast to RD-88 where it is included in basic configuration). I used my Focusrite Scarlett

@@mfurman I will explain my question I know there is a key called key touch, the question is whether it changes the tohch as a midi controller as well I had the fp30 and when I tried to play certain VSTs with it like noire piano it didn't do a good enough job The thing is that the fp30 doesn't have the option of the kye tohch like in the rd08, so I'm trying to understand if it's possible to change the level of sensitivity also in relation to midi sorry for the english

@@DL-kc2mw I have to admit that I did not test it specifically for key touch. I set it to light on RD-08 (general setting- not just for a specific scene) and did not check it very thoroughly. I used that rather really as a MIDI controller because I wanted to test all the RD-08 sounds. My piano VSTs have the option to change the curve for touch.

As I said in another response to your comment, GHC is much quieter than PHA-4 as far as the rebound noise is concerned

If you want to avoid the rebound clicking noise you should definitely choose GHC action of P-225. I had five digital pianos with PHA-4 action (FP-10, FP-30X, A88 mkII MIDI controller, FP-10 ACR and RD-08). The first four developed the clicking noise. RD-08 seems to be much better (Roland changed the greasing method recently). I like some aspects of PHA-4 - it is relatively close to the feel of acoustic piano action I often practice on. Yamaha GHC action is a bit too difficult to play closer to the fulcrum for me.

@@mfurman thanks! I'll definitely look into the Yamaha. I just hope it's got similar durability to the pha4 which supposedly is still durable despite the annoying clicking noise

@@m3rc743 Both actions have their positive and negative aspects. I liked P-225 very much and if I had not been also practicing on acoustic piano (Yamaha C7), I would have kept it.

Do your mean the level of action noise? It matters because some digital piano actions can be very clicky and bouncy. Check my video with the noise of FP-10 PHA-4 piano action (it had some lubrication issues). It is not just the noise - you can feel it when playing (especially some longer, slow pieces such as Prelude No.1 in C Major by J.S. Bach). It can be distracting. If you listen to reviews of P-225 you realize that GHC’s low noise is emphasized. I currently have Roland RD-08 and its PHA-4 action is very nice. I realize that some may say that acoustic piano action can be noisy too but it does not really matter because (unless you have a hybrid piano) the sound of acoustic piano is almost always louder than the noise. By the way, I regularly play on Yamaha C7 grand piano and I fully understand the action noise differences. It is a different situation with digital piano, especially when it is played very quietly. I almost always practice at home with my headphones and my wife sometimes commented about noise coming from the keys. Michael

It is a very good question. I had ten digital pianos since late 2020. Among them five (including this one) with PHA-4 action and I also had Yamaha digital pianos with GHS and GHC actions, FP-90X with PHA50 action and Yamaha P-515 with NWX action (heavy action). I definitely think that RD-08 has the best PHA-4 action I have ever tried (I tested many other actions). It does not have the clicking noise my previous PHA-4 pianos developed and its feel is quite similar to the action of Yamaha C7 grand piano that I regularly play (even though that is a bit heavier). I like RD-08 sounds and its action. Here are some numbers (downweight): Middle C (C4) - ~65g C7 - ~57.5g C6 - ~62g C3 - ~67g C2 - 67g 68g moves all the keys - some (below C2 in particular) with a small push C4# - ~?55g - ~68g (middle of black key) C4 - ~ 86g (T) C7 - 82g (T) C6 - ~86g (T) C2 - 86g (T) C3 - ~89g (T) Michael

@@mfurman Oh, thank you very much for the very precise and detailed answer!

@@christophelafont1844 I will be glad if it could help you. I should add that the clicking noise of PHA-4 action has been associated with lubrication problems. I heard (from two different sources) that Roland has changed something in the lubrication process recently.

Thank you 😊

Yes, it very much is. 😊

@@mfurman thank you man🌹🙋

Thank you so much! 😊

Thank you so much for checking it out 😊

Thank you for a very interesting comment. I do not think that opening the piano to do lubrication is permitted during warranty period. Not every one is as competent as you are to do it properly.

Thank you. It is Yamaha C7 😊

No. GHS is quieter but does not really resemble the feel of acoustic piano action

@@mfurman Thanks for the quick reply, so the Roland with all the problems of noises is still better than the Yamaha?

@@arvistaakm8445 It all depends on your needs. I had a few Roland digital pianos with PHA-4 action (FP-10, A-88 mkII MIDI controller, FP-30X, FP-10 ACR) and I am now getting RD-08. I also rented FP-10 a few times, I was always hoping that the action will be quiet but it never was although I know how to avoid the noise. It is all because of lubrication issues. Why am going back to this action? It is simply quite realistic comparing with Yamaha GHS or GHC (they are both quite springy and have only two sensors and no escapement. Yamaha NWX (I had P-515) is a very heavy action and Roland PHA50 (I had FP-90X) is a bit too soft at the bottom of the key run. FP-90X is a heavy and expensive digital piano. PHA-4 has a long pivot length (comparable with NWX, longer than GHS and only a bit shorter than PHA50). It matters if one plays white keys closer to the fulcrum. All in all, I decided to just get PHA-4 serviced when needed and just stay with it because I like its feel. Michael Ps. Kawai plastic actions are even more noisy (when coming to the resting position) than PHA-4 and some of them are very bouncy that I do not like

No, this is probably the quietest action I have tested. I also mostly practice using headphones. Please keep in mind that I pressed the keys to induce as much noise as possible. It is usually the return to the resting position of the key that creates most noise.

@@mfurman It's sort of similar to the rebound 'clack' or click noise of the Roland PHA4 action or is it significantly quieter?

@@m3rc743 It is significantly quieter. It is one of the quietest action I ever tested.