Honestly it gets hate cause they basically killed the r6 for more of a ninja 650 competor. Instead of a zx6r competer. If you like the bike you like the bike enjoy.
That’s definitely a large part of it. If they still made the R6 and the R7 was just a competitor for the RS660, Daytona 660, Ninja 650, etc then I would bet there wouldn’t be near as much hate for the R7
Just grabbed one new (so all options were on the table), even after watching tons of recent reviews giving it a hard time. Some factors that put it over the competition like 8s or 660, where it being a simple bike with several years in production, easy to source parts from a healthy aftermarket and well documented maintenance/upgrades/potential issues. Aggressive, but light with torque down low so fun even just stop to stop, weaving through a traffic filled city. Some say uncomfortable and weak, but I would say nimble with the power where I need it. Is a reason stunters and track guys love this as a platform.
Given that first time people want to start on r6s , r1s i think this is a viable and much safer option. since it has the sport bike looks which alot of people who are looking at the others want, but the power is in a completely different(and reasonable) class.
Great video. I bought a Kawasaki Vulcan 650S because I like the sport bike motor in a cruiser idea. Now you convinced me to buy a Sport Bike with a Cruiser motor. :) Great.
Sorry for the rant to follow and the so vivid comment, no hate just an opinion, buuuut... It's the biggest DUD in the world, and not for the bike it self, but for what it represents. Yamaha stopped making the R6 and came up with the R7, people seem to forget to mention this little fact 🤔, which is the whole premise. Why call it R7? What relation does it have to the R (racing) series? NONE. So when Yamaha does this the of course should get all the hate it deserves along with the people that support it, and these people are usually new to the scene hence the simply don't know what it represents, hence why the never mention the R6. To understand the false in the logic listen to the comment in the video: "it looks like a crouch rocker it looks really cool" so you like the super sport but don't get a super sport LOL, no commitment, sorry I can not support this mentality. Its like me getting an R1 and taking the fairings off and putting a chopper steering on it and then saying... "It looks like a chopper its awesome". Each bike represent something, LEARN AND RESPECT. It might seem dramatic but, this could possibly represent the end of racing bikes if more companies follow this approach of "low emission crap". I think it is part of this stupid attempt to make bikes behave like cars. And rider that have no idea that stand behind this notion, makes me sad 😪
That’s quite the novel…you obviously didn’t watch the video. At 15:15 I specifically said the hate stems from this bike being the “replacement” for the R6…so I did realize and make that exact point. And yes the bike does look like a “crotch rocket”….thats not really a point you can negate…it’s not false logic, it’s just a fact. It’s not an issue of commitment, this bike simply checked a lot of boxes for me, much like it did for the tens of thousands of other people who bought R7s. Also saying it’s the end of racing is not only incorrect but also a strange point to make seeing as this bike has performed extremely well in the twins class which has been around since 2015 in Moto America…twin sport bikes isn’t anything new exactly. Did you have this same energy when Aprillia released the RS660 in 2020, or are you just part of the butt hurt crowd because they don’t make the R6 anymore? Thanks for the engagement on the video though! 😂
Absolutely love mine. Looks great and sounds amazing. I think of it as a mini R1.. it's got a super slim profile and I've reduced the weight well below 400lbs. It's also tall rider friendly, which is a huge plus for me.
Well it got a 3.9 in the video and I’ve gotten a 3.7x previously. A tenth of a second is generally a car length in racing. I’ve run this against a Ninja 650 plenty of times and I promise this bike is going to put bus lengths on a Ninja 500 in a straight line. 😂
Its falacy to say you gonna get bored of a small cc bike. Ninja 400 will challenge even experienced riders, especially with some suspension and brake upgrades. The only thing that gets in the way of enjoying a small bike is one's ego... You can learn so much from it. At this comment is where I stop watching.
@@101BadBreath That’s certainly true in certain scenarios…especially on track. I’ll be the first to admit I can’t maximize this bikes potential on say, a track. But 99% of my riding is on the street. Most people can’t maximize the bike they own. Call it ego if you want, this bike gives more room to grow than say a Ninja 400. That’s part of why I stated I was trying to find a happy medium when looking. 18 year old me would want a liter bike, but I knew better than to start on one. 🤷🏼♂️
@@snake_bitten I have been riding since I was 12, I am 49 now. I have ridden almost every bike under the sun short of a MOTOGP bike...on and off the track Including bikes built for drag racing and enduro racing that ran on Avgas. I have ridden bikes clean across continents. If I was asked to have one bike that would meet my needs and that I could still learn something on for the street, I would choose a Ninja 400. If someone tells you that you or they will/have outgrown a ninja 400, unless they weigh 250lbs and are 6ft 6... They are lying.
@@101BadBreathSounds like you’re arguing that nobody NEEDS anything more than Ninja 400….I’ve driven hundreds of cars on the street and on the track. All the way from go-carts to cars with 1000hp. Nobody I know NEEDS more than a Prius…I think we will just have to agree to disagree. At no point in the video did I say “I NEEDED more than this bike” nor was that really the point of video at all. No skin off my back if someone on the internet wants to call it ego and not watch. You’re going to have a field day when you find thousands of TikTok 18 year olds on H2s/liter bikes 😂
@@snake_bitten @snake_bitten This has not got anything to do with needs, or cars, or tik tok content creators. The more you double down the more it becomes about your arrogance. Good Luck, you are going to need it with that shit attitude and chip on your shoulder.... You had a chance to redeem yourself and you failed because of your own pride and ego. GG.
You cant get away from the fact that the pros with a sportbike is high horsepower performance thrills and looks. Cons with a sportbike is the ergonomics, low level comfort and insurance. It has always been sacrificing comfort for high peformance and then they released the R7. Low horsepower and low level comfort.
@@bearwolffish So does the MT07. Its also nice and light. And has much better comfort. Youre not understanding what Im saying. Before you could never get the sportbike engine in anything else but a sportbike, thats why some people built "street-fighters" out of their sportbikes to get some comfort while maintaining the same level of performance. Then came "naked" sportbikes from factory.. and then came this bike, the first sportbike without a sportbike engine, and thats why the R7 makes no sense.. I am sorry I am not hating on any R7 owners, let everyone enjoy their bikes but a R9 with the MT09 engine would have made so much more sense...
There’s a reason for it though. Just because a small portion of riders wants it, Yamaha won’t make any money on it. They aren’t like KTM barely scraping by for the racing team.
@@snake_bitten exactly I stopped riding in 2019 now I’m back to riding I didn’t know they stopped making them I have been on the hunt for a 2006-2016 r6 people are nuts pricing them so high. I definitely want to also get an 2017-2020 r6 as well but I seen them for 14k pure stupid people and stupid Yamaha won’t make them anymore
I have a 2023 R7. I have the Two Brothers dB Pro exhaust, snorkel delete and I added a DNA Stage 2 filter and tuned by 2Wheel Dynoworks. It feels so much better than stock.
I’ve heard it’s a very noticeable difference. I’m probably going to send out the ECU in the next couple weeks! Been trying to wait and see if I can pick up a HordPower intake but no luck so far.
All that hate primarily comes from keyboard warriors. To everyone else they see a great looking bike. I get compliments at intersections, stores, gas stations almost everytime I take it out. Let the haters, hate.
It isn't really the bike thats hated its the rider/owner/community behind it that is disliked... People pretending its a supersport because they put on a slip on, a "tune" and that it has a slightly aggressive seating position. Oh FAKE rizomas on top of that. Hell, most cafe racers have aggressive seating positions as well, may as well call them super sports while we are at it.
That’s an interesting take. I think the term “supersports” is generally associated with full fairing sport bikes but everyone has their own definition…is an R6 a supersport in comparison to an R1? Personally I’ve never seen an R7 owner pretending it’s something it’s not, on the other hand all the butt hurt people seem to be projecting that exact idea.
@@snake_bitten Nah, supersports have always been 600 and 1000cc sportbikes/"supersports", r6, r1, cbr600r, cbr1000 with generally an inline 4, v4 or vtwin. etc etc. Been like this since the 80s. Oh man, are you not part of the motorcycle community? r7, cbr650r, rs660 (restricted), daytona 660 community online are all about acting like they have actual supersports
@@UnmethicatedI’m certainly in the community enough. I guess I don’t understand what “pretending to be a supersport” even means. For example I never see anyone implying those bikes are faster than the counterparts? Outside of the engine comparison the R7, CBR650R, RS660, GSX8R, etc share MANY characteristics of a “supersport” so they share more than they don’t and there’s a reason that market has only expanded. The whole point of the video wasn’t to argue if it’s a “supersport” but more so that it’s still a great bike option if your know what you’re purchasing.
it’s literally a supersport. just because it can’t hit mach 7 it’s still a track-focused bike with full fairings and an aggressive seating position, which is the definition of a supersport. cafe racers aren’t track-focused with fairings, you sound like someone who’s been riding for a month but thinks he knows everything, nice try tho, now sit down
At the end of the day it’s about what you want and like and can afford…. It’s like anything say for instance milk .. 2% or whole milk ? Buy what you like 😂 Most people cannot ride a R7 to its potential I know I can’t and I don’t care . I don’t ride to impress anyone I ride because I enjoy motorcycles. a lot talk a big game but I assure you they won’t put their money where their mouth is. Egos equal pain at some point. Just enjoy whatever you like and stay safe ✌🏻
Tried one not long ago. Definitely not quick as hell but its very light, very agile, the brakes are great, its got little to no electronics (i hate those)... I might switch my cb650r for this
@@snake_bitten the inline 4 has me grinning through the twisties i wont lie but on sheer agility alone, i think i prefer the yamaha. I wish i could take one out in the mountains. Also love that paint scheme, thats a hell of a first bike man, love and cherish that thing
The first bike topic is really subjective. For me, I wouldn’t have wanted anything less, but I also had experience riding dirt bikes which helps translate to street bikes. Also, at my age I know my limits a little better than I did when I was 18. I think this bike in general is teetering on too much for beginner given the torque and handling where something like an R3, Ninja400, and even a Ninja 650 would be a little more forgiving and easier to start on while still being tons of fun.
@@izzbomb23 I do love it can not lie, its for those who want a comfy sport bike but dont necessarily wanna go full sport tourer or want a naked either. allows track potential if you want that.
The larger part of the community don't like it simply because they perceive it as Yamaha's replacement of the R6. It's a great bike if you look at it objectively.
100% if this bike wasn’t built as the R6 replacement then I don’t think you’d see the same hate at all. Same reason Ninja 650s don’t get roasted since the ZX6 is still available.
I think that’s the biggest part of these bikes. I appreciate the bike for what it is and what it’s built for. If ripping down the highway at 140+ is your thing, this isn’t the bike but then again a lot of bikes don’t fit that bill that don’t get near as much hate 😅
@@snake_bitten a lot of the hate is the fact that the R7 is not the R6 lol. I like screaming 4 cylinder bikes all day but I can still appreciate a smooth 2 cylinder as well.
The Yamaha R7: Your sister’s R1 That’s likely the intended demographic Yamaha was marketing this bike to. You can see this in some of the Yamaha marketing campaigns. The real hate likely stems from the fact this R7 is nothing like the original R7 (OW-02) back in ‘99/‘00. Everyone was hoping for a true successor to that track weapon.
The motor belongs in the same bike it was designed to be in… the MT07 and it absolutely shines in that platform. The R7 has no place in the class it’s being marketed to fill. At the end of the day it’s got two wheels and if it makes you happy then whatever I guess.
I think if Yamaha still made the R6 and this wasn’t poised as its “replacement”, nobody would make this argument. The market for middle weight, twin cylinder, full fairing bikes has only grown….Ninja 650, CFmoto 450ss, RS660, GSX-8R etc….makes complete sense that Yamaha would want to make something to compete in this class IMO
Y'all don't realize Yamaha took the championship away from Aprilia rs660 in Moto America twins cup class in 22 and 23! Very successful bike though the lil R7 !🎉🎉
the only things I don’t like about my R7 are the lawnmower sound AND THAT UGLY ASS CENTER HEADLIGHT😩 fingers crossed that the front end of the R9 will look like that of the R6
@@mencibenci If you think the R7 sounds like a lawnmower, wait till you hear a Ninja 650 (or similar) with a loud exhaust 😂 I do wish this had the two side lights like the R6 rather than the cyclops but it has grown on me.
Yeah despite the hate/love of these bikes they seem to have been selling really well since they released. The full fairing/twin cylinder market seems to continue growing
Love Yamaha, like your video, but the riding with one hand on your first bike on a public road? I know, it's tempting, and it looks cool and it's a bad example for other new riders. You may have the good reaction time to compensate if needed, but others may not. You may have influence on others that pick up on more than your words.
I bought an R7 for my first bike and love it. Looks great and feels great. It’s a wonderful trainer for the more aggressive seating position and clip ons. Another lovely thing was the ability to go on the highway during the break in period.
@@Ripjawz I’ve been very happy with it thus far. Sometimes I wish it had so more top end but I’m not exactly a highway warrior either so it’s got plenty for now. Helps I can ride a ZX10R pretty much whenever I have the desire for insanity lol
Nah most hated is def a gixxer all of them or bmws lol. For some reason they get all the hate, part of it might come to the owners but ye r7 isnt like but them gixxers and bmws
If you’re a bigger person and capable you can start on an r7 but saying it’s a beginner bike overall is a stretch. The torque is pretty intense and also the engine breaking. I’ve never rode or used a clutch but got comfortable after a couple weeks of practice. It is all highways near me so stepping up to a 600 soon.
@@JLWrangler23 no doubt, that’s part of why I said I hate the “beginner bike” topic. I know plenty of people who could start on this bike but also tons of people who shouldn’t. It’s very subjective. For me personally this was a great starter bike.
@@ThatEverydayGamerjust because you in particular didn’t have any issues with it doesn’t mean it’s a suitable starter bike for your average zero-experience rider. it’s too twitchy and powerful for someone just getting the hang of the mechanics of riding.
@@montrefletcher8048with the right rider you’re correct. My buddy can’t out run me in the twisties with his ZX10 but he also can’t push the bike as hard as I can on the R7, so it’s definitely dependent on the rider/bike combo
Just a heads up, the R7 has 2 auxiliary power connectors. They are located on each side of the bike near the turn signals. Left side is rated at 2A, right side is rated at 5A. You can use those instead of having to tap into the fuse box. I use these to connect my charger and auxiliary lights to.
@@snake_bitten I’ve thought about it and as soon as i get my license (should be 2 weeks still) I’ll get everything ready on my bike and i would indeed like to charge my phone for longer rides
Would it be safe to assume that perhaps one could compare the modification of a car to the unethical modification of game files to perform at a higher level? Idk just spitballing… When time🙏
I absolutely LOVE my FiST. 0-60 is hard because 1: My tune gives it crazy torque, and it just can't hook up well from a start. It's just spin city. 2: You have to shift into 3rd to hit 60. That's 2 shifts where most fast cars only need one. But who cares? It corners like a beast, and has useable power in real world driving.
100% agree…E30 definitely made it spin much more with the low end torque it picked up. It was fun to see what it could do but 0-60 is definitely not its best attribute. 😂
