In terms of popularity, sure. But what did he really innovate?

@@kingetzel2755 leading the attitude era and the rise of the antihero, does that count?😭😭

@@devonarcher9076 The anti-hero isn't anywhere near as new as young wrestling fans have been tricked by WWE into thinking it is. It was a hard turn from the cartoonish era of WWE, but wasn't new to pro wrestling. Neither was the "Attitude Era" some new thing invented by WWE. They used their larger platform to increase the prominence of it on pro wrestling television, but it existed before then, and there's literally no reason to believe it wouldn't still exist in pro wrestling regardless.

@@kingetzel2755 even if Austin wasn’t an innovator like you claim, he took older ideas, in this case being the antihero (let’s assume you’re right) and refined and enhanced them so much so that we now look back in retrospect as him being one of the true pioneers of being the antihero, he was arguably the one who brought it into the mainstream, he deserves credit for that at the very least, if not for originality like you say - the fact he was able to put his own hallmark and spin on the antihero in a way which has been used as a template by those who have followed him makes him a pioneer of not an innovator, which is just as good in my books

@@devonarcher9076 Austin was/is an incredible talent. He's easily one of the absolute best to ever do it, and his charisma and verbal abilities are off the charts. The feud with McMahon was itself very unique and hasn't been done in a passable manner by anyone else since. I am not trying to take away from his talent or legacy. I'm just saying the "unique spin on old ideas" was already being done in ECW, and a couple years after Austin passed through there (where he honed the Stone Cold persona prior to it being called that), Vince both took what ECW had already been doing and applied it to all of WWE, and allowed Austin to use those ideas he first honed there.

Depends on what you mean by "being real"? What's the criteria? I think if you use the same criteria used for the actual Mount Rushmore, and consider the massive impact various people have had on pro wrestling throughout history (and not just the past 40 years) you can make a list that doesn't have any of those names on it.

@@kingetzel2755 I’m not reading that bro sorry good luck with whatever though

@@devonarcher9076 You could have just said "I can't handle my opinions being challenged."

@@kingetzel2755 heal bro, whatever it is you’re going through

@@devonarcher9076 Just as I thought. You did read it. Sorry I hurt your feelings; that was rude of me. Hopefully you can move on from this and find peace.

This is the correct list.

@@ajbahus Facts, only Andre is really debatable there IMO. But Andres impact was huge.

@@Comicsfan-nWo_4life Hes not. He was a worldwide celebrity and a sell out attraction for every promotion he went to. He was global (not a successful) as Hogan and he was a major celebrity and representation of wrestling to the world.

@@deebo1103He is debatable with gorgeous george

Same with Andre

Also Liv and Rhea adding each other (history aside) is fucking adorable hahaha. I hope Liv comes back soon!

Aren't most people making these lists? Sure, every now and then someone will throw Bruno Sammartino in there, likely because they heard about him on a WWE documentary - but how many people actually know anything about the deep history of pro wrestling, or about the true innovators who changed the core of what it was?