I hope his Church doesn't offer coffee after the service. Coffee is not in the Bible. Nah thanks, I won't be reformed. I like a cross in my Church, I like to celebrate Christmas and Easter in my church. It's about Jesus
You must not have listened to the sermon. It proves you a fool to have such strong opinions on what you clearly don’t understand, and don’t have the intent to understand. You’ve offered nothing but straw man fallacies in your criticism, and to reason like a fool is sin. You need to repent.
The focus of the believer is on "the Righteousness of Christ alone (plus nothing)." When out eyes are taken off Jesus and put on anything else our "worship" becomes a "religious matrix" and therefore "Legalism."
The content of this documentary creates more division than solutions to the problems the church is facing. Also, the testimonies of the interviewees generalize a situation that does not happen in every church. I agree with many of the problems exposed in the video, but there is nothing wrong or antibiblical with a specific age gathering. Timothy was called a spiritual son by the Apostle Paul. Did the Apostle sin by usurping Timothy's father's role? I don't believe so. When Timothy, as a pastor, is exhorted by the Apostle Paul regarding the elders' wives to teach the young women from the church, wasn't that a segregated group of women? We all know that there are necessary topics that should be taught in the church that children are not ready to listen to yet. If this is the case, shouldn't we have a specific time for adults only as we discuss these topics? If an unbeliever watches this video, he will find another excuse for not sending his children to church. The issues in the church have never been the business of the general public. The gospel is not only for those whose parents attend church. Many children and teenagers need the example of a godly leader who can reach their family, but many times, those children are the only ones in their families who get to know the Lord for many years. Should they be left undiscipled because their parents are not Christian? Should we expect that they will grow without the nurture of a committed Bible study group? Many exposed issues in this film are real and need to be corrected, but within the walls of the churches and denominations, not by sabotaging the church and labeling its ministries as pagan. Didn't the Lord say that when two or three gather in His name, He is among them? Are you calling pagan all the groups or the church that don't meet at the same time with the whole congregation? When I grew up in the church, my father was not a committed Christian. It was the influence of other Christians who helped me navigate very difficult times as I grew up. Now I serve the Lord and my father is committed to Christ. A more serious study should be done about those who stay in the church. How did the children and youth ministry impact their lives? I think the posting of this video should be reconsidered.
The sufficiency of scripture is so true, however it also needs to be “rightly divided”, and therein lies the crux. My mantra is still the “5w’s” and with that I completely agree with this video. May God forgive me for “trusting” Sunday school for my children and others too.
Pretty basic stuff but it doesn't go nearly far enough. Churches need to abandon the single ruling pastor or senior pastor model and move toward teaching elders as well as an open meeting where the gifts are allowed.
The Puritans were self-righteous hypocrites committing murder in the name of God against the Native Americans! Anyone that condones killing to steal land, in God's name is deceived and will be judged by God Himself!
The world needs that kind of evangelism desperately once again. It always has but there is such a cosmic vacuum in the areas of evangelism right now. The bride needs to wake up and petition God that veil be lifted over our hearts and respond obediently through the spirit once again. Apart from Christ we can do nothing. The puritans knew this well.
Are there any Puritan churches here in USA ? My favorite college course in Catholic seminary was actually New England church history. I have deep appreciation for Jonathan Edwards.
I thought they were asking two different things. I don't know why, but when he said young earth or old earth, I would've said old, but I believe it was created in six days
I agree with the problem being men not taking there roles as leaders of there children but trying to make the church responsible for that is A stretch. Just like in the garden when Adam tried to blame God for the woman He gave him. These men are trying to blame the church for being poor fathers. I find this doubly ironic considering most of the men in these videos were Calvinist which according to their doctrine means God has chosen through his sovereign will those who would continue in the faith and those who would not. Meaning those children who did not remain in the church were not elect of God. Unfortunately there was so many inconsistencies in this video that it is hard to not write a 20 page paper outlining everyone of them. If anyone would like to talk about these my name is Jason Richardson and my phone number is 208-490-0938.
I stumbled across a site that showed the steps of Puritan Medidation. No one ever showed me how before. The Bible says meditate day and night. That was relatively vague but now they'd show me how and it's working❤
So God is a spirit, and the God-being is three persons, therefore the Father is spirit, the Son is spirit, and the Holy Spirit is spirit. 2ndly, if God is a spirit then he doesn’t have a brain, because that is body. Revelation 14 states that John heard the sound of harpists playing their harps before the throne of God. So far none of what I have written is against scripture. Apparently God doesn’t mind the sound or harps in worship. But then again how can he hear for he has no ear drums, or brain to decipher the sounds that John could hear and decipher.
Why doesn’t he address the elephant in the room issue about all the slander that surrounds the Puritans and they’re supposed involvement with the Salem witch trials and persecution of other people. It’s so hard to find anything on that. Can anybody refer me somewhere?
FF to 6:50, 22:20. Thank you! This answers a LOT! Mt 18 - *"In his name"* is *intentional, formal, collective, organized assembling or gathering.* Officers qualified appointed, members added, excluded, disciplined, issues voted, etc. Church discipline. "Two or three are gathered," "whatever is bound," verses. 1Cor 5:3-5 interprets Mt 18! God's power is present in a special way (compared to other places) in the formal assembling. He is especially present in that place! WHERE THE CHURCH GATHERS IS HOLY GROUND. God's presence is here in a way *DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF LIFE.* THEREFORE, A SPECIAL CONDUCT IS EXPECTED. House or household can be temple or family. But HOUSE OF GOD = TEMPLE/Church. IT IS NOT OURRRRR HOUSE, READ AGAIN! GN 28:16. EX 3:5. JOSH 5:15. 1TIM 3:15-16. HB 10:21, 1P2:5. Nice! Must be a Baptist! Why? LOL @its 1/2 over and he says, "this is the FIRST reason" LOL
Only Scripture is worship under RPW, so only the Scripture reading or singing is truly praising God according to reformed theology (other elements could be included in the service but non-scripture in prayer and preaching has to be reckoned non-worship). Another problem is the Westminster confession says that only the original Greek and Hebrew manuscripts are truly the Word of God (so the service would have to be in Greek/Hebrew; since no one has the original manuscripts we could never be sure that we are actually worshipping).
Without question there are things to be gleaned from this message but unfortunately the numerous appeals to men and there quotes are a very real distraction. Seeing that God has given us everything we need as Christians for life and godliness these quotes only serve to take ones eyes off of Jesus and His Word and direct them toward men and what they themselves have established. Here are just a few of the troubling quotes in this message: 1. "unacceptable to the Puritan way of thinking" 2. The statement "as Puritans" instead of as Christians 3. "puritan program" 4. "preaching in a service" (one obviously does not preach to family members but only to unbelievers) 5. "style of Puritan preaching" 6. "famished when one comes to a service" (God's people fellowship in order to give not to receive) If they are cultivating an abiding relationship with Christ they ought to be filled and that to overflowing when they gather. 7. "puritan convictions" 8. Sabbath? (I thought Jesus was our Sabbath in the New Testament 9. All of this (what appears to be based upon Puritan theology) must be done in Spirit and truth? Isn't this backwards. Christians don't start or base their theology upon Puritan anything but upon the Word of God alone) Here is my one and only question to anyone who will listen. How is this not idolatry to place so much emphasis upon men and upon what they have done and said over the years. Men, some of whom in the name of Puritanism and in the name of Christ were even known to be murderers. Somehow, I find that despite their apparent helpful contributions to the faith, many of their actions (which prove the spirit that drove them) were clearly opposed to the God they claimed to know. This is not in the least insignificant, a history that cannot and should not ever be forgotten lest their grandchildren repeat their many sins.
This was one of many sessions dealing with the regulative principle. Dr. Beeke was given the task of presenting the Puritan view of worship, thus the many quotes from the Puritans. We should learn from those brothers that came before us. They separated themselves from idolatrous forms of worship, and there zeal for the glory of God led to clear positions of true worship that we should learn from.
Believers need proper biblical preaching constantly to keep fed and vigorous in our faith and love toward the Lord, just as much as unbelievers need to hear preaching in order to come to faith. Praise God for the example of high honor and exhalation of God's word we have in the Puritans!
Although I plan to watch the remainder of this tomorrow I am deeply troubled by much of what I have heard herein. Let's just start with the incessant references to the Puritan program or Puritan theology. Is the God you claim a Puritan? Is He Reformed? Does He not specifically through His servant Paul condemn these very distinctions in 1 Corinthians 1:11-17 that you yourselves uphold? What is the difference between aligning myself with a person and a religious denomination? Either way, I am found to be promoting something that is sectarian in nature- something that divides the people of God. Is this not why Paul the apostle asked this question, "Has Christ been divided?" A true faithful preacher of Christ does not proclaim the truth of Jesus under the banner of a name sincere men may have devised and invented in their own imaginations. This clearly amounts to having a divided affection. Furthermore, it is plain a few verses back in verse 10 that all Christians are to agree and that there be no divisions among them and that they be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. How is this even remotely possible when men are describing groups of believers in direct contrast to what this verse states: now I exhort you brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. No man can name what doesn't belong to Him, namely the ekklesia of God. He can however, name that which he has invented and endorses, a religious organization or theology that has nothing to do with either Jesus nor New Testament Christianity.
I have learned the Puritans were a divisive group. God is no Puritan. God is no Christian. I am not even certain god was the god of Israel. All this comes upon learning the bible is not inspired or inerrant. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hZ3Wk3I53-w.html
@@baptistboy2882 2 Timothy 3:16-17 English Standard Version 16 (A)All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that (B)the man of God[a] may be complete, (C)equipped (D)for every good work.
This is a strawman objection. To be reformed is to be biblical. Reformed simply means to reflect the teaching of Scripture. You yourself believe your comment to be biblical while it is not. Division comes because people do not submit to Scripture. The call isn't for people to overlook but to be one mind (agree on Scripture).
@@thomaspfeil7084 To you Thomas, "reformed" may equate to biblical but I couldn't find that definition in a dictionary. I did however find this: "relating to the chiefly Calvanist Protestant churches formed in various countries" (which again proves one of my points) The proof of what "reformed" has come to mean over time is problematic for many reasons. For example, if I asked what "church" means to an average Joe what would they reply? They would no doubt under most circumstances say that is a place where people go to hear about or worship God etc. This is what "church" actually is, however Jesus never used the word church- nor is that word ever used in Scripture despite today's modern translations. It is clearly a misinterpretation and misrepresentation of the word ekklesia that Jesus used and today- it is used to further the religious intentions of men who build their own kingdoms upon this earth. Now if you really think I'm falsely refuting one or more of Joel's arguments well ok, but take a stab at one of the nine I also posted four years ago in another comment herein that he spoke. None of those arguments are based upon the Scriptures. And by the way friend, the next time you attempt to falsely accuse me of something I write in a comment, at least attempt to address what I actually said and supported with Scripture. Somehow those Scriptures you claim to so dearly cherish were entirely missing from your argument in response to what I said.
