ImproveYourArchery.com is a blog that is focussed on helping you to improve your shots. On my blog, you will find helpful tips on how you can improve your technique and what gear you should be using. If you like my videos, you will like my blog as well.
My blog articles tend to be much more detailed than my videos. So especially when you are looking for detailed information, my blog will be a great resource for you!
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Hi, I am Tim van Rooijen and have been practicing archery for at least 5 years now. During those years I have learned a lot of tips and tricks, that helped me to improve my shots. Therefore, I started my blog ImproveYourArchery.com to share these tips with fellow archers. Although I like writing about archery, some things are just easier to show in a video than explain in words. Therefore, I started this RU-vid channel next to my blog.
The only difference is that you need a bow press, and they don't have to be expensive. You can see the one I am using in this short: ru-vid.comXWniyk3LaQw
When u say shoots faster ur talking about velocity of the arrow and not actual fire rait and imo that is what ur saying and recurve had higher fire raits
its not that one is faster its one can produce more energy then the other which controls penatration so your test is flawed sorry dude , next time use a chronagraph and do the test properly and also make sure both are at the exact same draw weight and also use the exatct arrows as well same spine same weight of arrow etc . then you might have some valid results
The max draw weight and exact same arrow was used (measured with a bow scale). Of course this is not a scientific test, but that is not the purpose of a short. Sure using a chronograph would be more precise, but if the projectile is the same, the only thing that could explain the increased penetration is the velocity of the arrow.
and so now the question is which recurve performs best? the ottoman bow i reckon is it pound for pound but don't worry the compound still throws faster, however, in i own opinion the difference is easily negligible enough that it doesn't nearly counter the practicality angle of which is better for a bug out bow for instance when we factor in the carry weight difference. a recurve bow well made with modern materials does not lose draw weight overnight i have left them strung for three months that i counted without losing even a fraction of draw weight, surely left one or two longer without counting so for bug out in a zombie apocalypse we could pick it up and start throwing on wake up no worries. whilst in a more realistic hunting scenario the lighter the carry weight then surely the better the day. and then there's the skill set required, far more useful training to throw unaded by sight systems, nail your 'point and shoot' it cannot be beaten in a crunch, end of, plus we can still throw with a compound although less adjustment to the skill set will be required of a right handed shooter with a left handed centre shot bow. Lars Anderson has one up shooting a compound with 'instinctive' aiming. and if it comes to practicing for the ultimate "oh bollocks, really?" moment where society has us hitting the woods with nothing but a bit of enginuity then the skill set practicing medieval arabic and asian archery techniques is pretty much there for overcoming the paradox. yh there's plenty more to it, test that recurve take down against a short one piece ottoman, pound for pound, i bet You rarely throw with either the that or the compound once You've gotten right into the ins and outs of it. if You do then please don't doubt this, 'torba training' pays off, we seemingly perform best in anything when we train it until we're no longer thinking about it instead we're just doing it.
You only need to use a finger sling, and the only reason to use a sling is to keep your bow from jumping out of your hand unexpected. Dropping the bow looks cool but doesn't do a dam thing to improve your shot because the arrow is already gone.
A recurve bow you can train your body to hit a target by simply looking at it. A compound bow you have to aim it with a line of sight. So if you are great with a recurve bow. You can shoot as fast as you can get the arrow. A compound you have to aim like a rifle with sights.
You can shoot a compound bow instinctively as well. Sure it is not common to do that, but there is even a class for instinctive compound bow shooting in the World Archery rule book.
Wow, I never even thought about using a sling, either type, but it seems like the finger sling would be the way to go, I just hold on to my bow, but I'm a much bigger guy too LOL I shoot War bows without a sling LOL I didn't even know they existed
Of course a compound is designed to load to 45 pounds sooner and maintain the 45 pounds through the draw curve, storing more potential energy rather than a linear 0 to 45 pound curve. The potential energy to kinetic energy conversion efficiency is about the same!
You are using the term "efficiency" incorrectly, as it applies to bows. Efficiency = total energy in, total energy out. Plotting the force- draw curve of your compound, when compared to the arrow's KE and momentum, demonstrate that. However, that added velocity IS one of the main advantafes/benefits of the compound bow. Higher velocity and energy at the same draw weight.
Yes you are probably right. But I was not sure how I could summarize it for the short. I am thinking about doing a video with the graph as you mentioned
That's a nifty setup. My son decided he wanted to get into archery so we got a pair of starter bows to practice with. .thats quite the bow you have there 😮. Great video , i hope you make more of these. Much love and respect from Atlantic Canada❤ ❤
@@improveyourarchery uh nah haha for whatever reason, youtube does this thing where it'll post a comment I wrote from something else into a short from my watch history or something along those lines, it was a video on the importance of budget bows and some things to take into consideration, not worrying about what the fellas at the range with 2000$ bows think, things like that!
The arrow flinging device has mechanical advantage. The real bow has also been around 10,000 years longer much like its longbow brother. Have great day
That isn't why. In fact, shorter traditional bows often shoot slower than longer bows, unless you increase the size and angle of the recurve. Leverage= energy storage. I design and make bows.
Well you’re wrong! Shorter bows are faster this is true for compounds as well. Example 40pound limbs on a 17 inch riser will draw 40 pound at 28 inchs take that same limb on 25 inch riser they drop in draw weight About 1-2 pound per inch. Theres a reason hunters use shorter amo for speed and moveablilty but sacrificing smoothness, stability and less forgiving.
@Reptiles.fossil.dinosaurs nonsense. All else equal, that is just garbage. Shorter bows store FAR less energy. It's a complex issue, when you drag theoretical dry-fire speeds, arrow Mas, etc, but short bows have stacking issues and poor f/d curves. .
@@Reptiles.fossil.dinosaurs I'm a longtime bowhunter, bow designer, champion primitive class flight shooter, and bowyer. I'm sure there are exceptions and examples, but the rule of thumb is clear.
I think a longbow would shoot slower than both compound and recurve, assuming that the draw weight would be the same of course . The recurved and flat limbs of a recurve bow are more efficient than the limbs of a long bow, I think. I might test that in a another video.
the uncomfortability of the finger sling might be the material, some feel really bad (more so the ones sold by known companies) some thick hockey laces or athletic laces usually feel better.
It's a Chinese bow, the brand on the limbs spell Kaimei, but I think it's sold under many brand names. For more information about the bow: improveyourarchery.com/are-cheap-compound-bows-any-good/
Yes exactly! That was the point I was trying to make. People often focus only on the peak draw weight, but the draw profile is also important. I might make a follow-up video on this soon.
Yep. Look at rhe force/draw curve plots. The added bonus is the compound moves the mass in its limbs less. Less limb movement, more string movement, to over-simplify.
A 45 lb draw recurve is in the same class as others of its kind. Compound though is not. A 45 compound uses the cams to create a let off and also increases the power. So this would be more fair if you used a 65 lb recurve and a 45 lb compound. Now they would be about the same except one has a let off advantage.
Yes I understand, but in this video I wanted to demonstrate the difference between the power of a recurve and compound bow with the same draw weight. Both have a peak draw weight of 45, but that's where the similarities end.
Yes, that is correct. But the amount of penetration is determined by two factors: the weight and the speed of the arrow. Since I used the same arrow, the only thing that can influence the penetration is the arrow speed. Ideally I would use a chronograph, but I don't have one yet.
The bow that stores the most energy will have the best penetration, unless something really weird happens, like launching arrow nearly sideways. That's the compound bow almost every time, unless we use very different arrows for each. Arrow flight and penetration are their own whole science.
I kinda think it’s about the ability of the cams to accelerate the force into the arrow due to the rotational nature vs the traditional bow relying on the elastic ability of the limbs to accelerate the arrow. I love archery in all forms and would enjoy hearing a more expert opinion of course as I’m more of a hobbyist
I wonder what would happen if you put a block and tackle on a recurve bow. If you used a 2:1 ratio, and then got a bow with double the draw weight so the final draw weight was close to the original weight.
Familiarize yourself with force/draw curves. Compound bows store vastly more total energy than recurves, longbows, or primitive bows. What you are (correctly) saying is only part of the reason. In terms of energy in-energy out, recurves can actually be MORE efficient, but still slower. Another interesting phenomenon is that the gap between the velocities each is capable of narrows when heavier projectiles are used.
I believe the brand is kaimai. I have more info about the bow in this article: improveyourarchery.com/are-cheap-compound-bows-any-good/#My_recommendation
