Towards the end my setup was just junpei aigis and mc with vorpal seigfried. Koro when you want aoe crit up/charge/debi. I find akihiko worse than junpei because junpei has access to vorpal and brave blade. Brave has 20% base crit vs god fist which is like 13%? Aigis is the only other party member who gets aoe phys and can synergize with Koromaru buffs. Healing becomes a meme late game as you can just bead chain over and over for 0 resource usages. It's unfortunate there isn't a boss in the game to use your party members on other than joker now since elizabeth is a solo encounter
I can say this because I did not like FES yukari but reload actually made it so I tolerated her more. All of that lashing out she did at Aigis of all people and then the fact that just because of her grief she didn't think "hey of we go back to past knowing we fight nyx again you'd be in the same position and nothing would have changed" where as in reload she understood that and for the love of god they did the one thing that I was hoping mitsuru would have done and tell this girl what she should have told her. This imo made the reload a lot better than fes. The yukari (fes) version fan base are malding because she's not being bitchkari
I put 35 hours into the dlc. Did everything possible aside from beating joker. Which I will do eventually. I loved it. More than the base game personally. But I also liked the original answer more than the base game of fes.
Everyone was disappointed with shadow makoto while i was jsut crying in the corner because of how beautiful it was. Truly my only complaint about the new answer is we got like… 6 seconds of anime Metis. This dlc meant wonders to me and it was just the cherry ontop of a perfect cake known as persona 3 reload
Judging characters only by their late game potential is dumb. A character being really good to help through early struggles is worth a lot. Every character is busted at some point so it’s better to judge characters based on what they provide throughout the game. Which character trivialize certain bosses etc
Episode Aigis is infinitely better than The Answer in my opinion except ONE scene. The scene where Athena metamorphosed into Orpheus. Seeing her transform while charging Mettis will always be a goat moment.
11:02 You actually do fight Metis in FES but it works the exact same way, where you can never lose to her once your low HP where she hesitates. The game counts it as a victory and levels you up on the victory screen. They probably removed the victory screen to transition better to the animated cutscene.
1:15 As an obsessive Yukari stan who laser focused on her dialogue in Reload because so much "they changed her" art was circulating on Twitter during my playthrough...no they didn't. Her dialogue in Reload was basically one-to-one with FES, Heather Gonzales matching Megumi Toyoguchi, Yukari's actual OG VA in tone isn't changing Yukari; it's keeping her accurate.
Persona 5 Royal had weird difficulty - Merciless boosted the damage on hitting weakness for both the player and enemies. You're theoretically more able to be one-shot by enemies. However, Madarame's Will Seed item allows you to eliminate Joker's weaknesses, and the extra damage you get from your half of the effect allows you to one-turn many more enemies and pass boss dps checks much easier - and dead enemies cant one-shot you. Then theres the Royal additions of Showtime attacks, Persona traits, Confidant changes and Baton Pass changes, all of which make Royal much easier than vanilla P5. It turns out Hard difficulty in Royal is much more likely to get you stuck at certain bosses, since its harder to get enough damage. Okumura in particular was a brutal DPS check that basially required abusing Baton Pass with Joker, Noir, and two teammates using Psi damage items (hope you brought enough!). Not knowing this, I did my P5R playthrough on Hard. Anyway, I recently decided to replay base p5. I chose Normal difficulty. Despite proving myself capable of higher difficulties, I'd rather not force myself to optimise the fun out of the game. It will probably start feeling too easy regardless, but Im mainly here for the story.
Its a shame Ken doesnt get more attention ty for the video. One of my favorite things an adaptation did that adds to the tragedy i dont think? Is ever mentioned to Ken? Is that in the manga as questionable as some choices are was that Kens mother was the shadow. If his mother wasnt killer she would have killed Ken
Honestly Yukari's more quiet and controlled rage makes more sense for her charachter to me. Flying off the handle does'nt really make sense for her and is more of a Junpei thing. The words feel much more targeted and cutting with the tranquil fury approach. It just feels like she really wants it to sting more and makes it clear she's mostly mad at Aigis over anyone else.
About Yukari: I play Persona games with the Japanese VO for immersion's sake, but this is one of the rare cases I personally think the vocal performance is a lot better. I do not like her English performance in the key discussion, both in FES (too stoic, feels like I'm watching a debate, more than a genuine emotional discussion) and Reload (emotions still too bottled up), while the Japanese performance really shows her grasping for arguments and only really comprehending what she's saying, when she's saying it, resulting in a more "unstable" delivery in which the emotion the argument entails comes across more genuinely.
I beat the DLC. I regret getting it TBH. Its just a 10 hour grind with like at best 2 hours of plot. And the grind isn't fun since they made the weaknesses with the enemy combos extremely annoying.
In terms of the dungeon dialogue, my team for most of the playthrough was Mitsuru, Koro and Yukari and when I went to grind a little after the arena fights they all (including Fuuka) had a dialogue about it which made my day. Did not expect to have all of them take part in it.
Been running ken, junpei, and Metis throughout the whole thing and about halfway done, glad to hear I didn’t make a bad choice, I loved ken originally even though he was weaker then yukari and junpei was also with me, I LOVED shinjiro too and having him back in the form of Metis is great
Bro Yukari It's my mature in the reload than the older version. I promise you if she behaves similar as the older version all the people will be a lot more complaining compared to what she is right now matured.
I'm confused why everyone thinks Naoto is one of the worst teammates. She was permanently kept on my team when I got her and I didn't see any reason to use Chie or Yoskue.
Short answer Shes Frail, doesn’t do good damage on both Mag/Phys and offers next to no decent Support. Her strengths aren’t relevant by the time she joins Long answer For Magic She has the worst MAG of any decent Magic Dps Character. Her Megidolaon has very underwhelming Base power in a game where enemies can Resist Almighty and has no Boosts/Amps on top of extremely high Sp cost. Her variety of Magic is good but a well built team already covers alot while doing more damage with those Skills. For Phys She has the worst END and low Hp making her frail so she doesn’t want to be using them and even when she does her middling STR and her Phys Skills dont really compare to anyone else. For Defense and Support While she doesn’t have a weakness her low Hp and END kind of mitigates that benefit as now everything can kill her in a couple hits rather than one Element doing it. Her Karns can be replicated easily with Plants (not that they were to great in the first place) and Tetraja is extremely niche. Shield of Justice is her only decent Support but its expensive and not necessary most of the time.
@@ZoofyZoof could you point out where and why its wrong? I have a her Level 99 Stats and level up Skill List on hand. What I said is true. Stats (including Max Social Link) HP 527 SP 454 STR 66 MAG 68 END 48 AGI 72 LCK 49 These are very awkward stats. Yosuke Teddie and Yukiko have better MAG and Magic Skills while Yosuke, Chie and Kanji do better Phys.
@@helpihavebats6392 It's wrong because in my experience she was very useful. Her stats aren't that low in comparison to others especially with her special gun that increases all stats by 5. Her high coverage is very useful, she's great for slaying golden hands, mind charge is always great, she is way more useful than chie and other guy. I used Naoto, biker guy, and Teddy as my team. Super good
@@ZoofyZoof The thing is her Stats are not the whole problem. Her +5 Stats doesn’t solve her issues with having no Damage Boost Passives. This a pretty massive thing to not have and it mean’s literally everyone outdamages her and no Mind Charge isn’t enough to salvage this. When you get her you are already done with most of the game so a generalist Party Member doesn’t have much value. P4 has the least amount of Elements so any team already covers half before Mc is Involved. Physical Skills are absurdly strong in comparison to Magic so you can put Teddie and Chie in the same team and they’ll more efficiently clear fights as Chie is great at getting Crits with Apt Pupil + Aoe Skills. Yosuke is stronger both Physically and Magically than Naoto along with being fairly tanky and actually has usable Support in Dekaja and Masukukaja. You should already have Megidola and Auto-Masuku when Naoto joins. Golden Hand isn’t a worthwhile niche.
I think a very very important part of this is that: Reload, Yukari comes off so much less of a bitch. 🤣 There is a difference between a character you don’t like and a bad character sure, but a lot of people don’t understand that, and it makes the message reload is putting out way better received than in FES
Funny thing I still got the intensity of Yukari's arc as I was playing, and it's still so much better than Junpei's outburst when they learn about Nyx. People defend him there but not only was that really irritating to happen a third time it was right after his big emotional arc with Chidori so the outburst felt so damn out of charachter whereas Yukari's motivations felt not only understandable but perfectly natural for her too. And I even felt this was the case before the reload dlc came out, the Reload version actually fits her better too. I think fans of the orignal versions need to look at this without the nostalgia goggles and more importantly not throw tantrums if someone actually enjoys Reload. This was my first time ever playing it and I found it to be a pretty good game, I have a few minor complaints of my own but they don't take away from the overall experience.
@@Cloud-dt6xb yes man SMT fans will never cease to amaze me, atlus has made nearly top tier levels of rpgs since the 80’s, to a consistent level that other fanbases are jealous, but an smt fan will gatekeep and dickride one game to the heat death of the universe. Don’t tell a digital devil saga fan that persona 5 is a good game they finna lose their minds 🤣
@@yukotrey9422 I can agree there my first game was Persona 5 Royal and already I'm getting the same this game is the best therefore all others are bad mindset from this fanbase like I get from Final Fantasy fans and that's really freaking annoying.
The only thing i felt snubbed out of in reload compared to FES was a makoto portrait in the credits. Seeing him again at the end of the original brand new days hits hard. That said, everything else about the credits is 11/10
I think people disliking Episode Aigis Yukari is an extension of the dislike for Reload Yukari. I personally disliked the change to her character in Reload, it just becomes more pronounced how defanged her depiction is in Episode Aigis. I also dont think you can really "ruin" The Answer because being honest... it wasnt very good to begin with, and always paled in comparison to the journey. I personally dislike the direction Reload took P3 mechanically, but the changes to Episode Aigis are ones people wanted in The Answer, which is the addition of the compendium and a better gameplay to story ratio. Since the DLC has no social sim, making it shorter is in my opinion a mercy to its overall pacing. Do i think either version tells a good story? Ehhhhh. Would i rather play Episode Aigis over The Answer? Absolutely.
I do prefer the cut scenes from the answer more than episode aigis, but only because I love watching Akihiko dodge bullets like it's nothing. So satisfying. Otherwise I definitely preferred episode Aigis. The extra voice lines were so great. There is one where after you first go to pawllonia mall Akihiko will comment that since it was July of last year than maybe he could find a specific person there, but then immediately dismissed the thought. I have seen so many debates whether he is talking about Makoto or Shinji but I think it doesn't matter because it proves that he also secretly wanted to go back and see someone he cared about and how quick he is to push those thoughts out of his head. It gives way more dimension to this cast and I loved it.
Man I love the dungeon dialogue but god damn could they stop starting the dialogue as soon as I open a menu or go down to the next floor cos I really wanted to hear what they say😭
If there's one thing about Episode Aigis I'd like you to cover, it would be that Joker fight. Everything from what I've seen and heard about that fight is unbelievable.
True. I once saw a comment saying that Joker is here because Elizabeth challenged him to steal humanity's heart and free Makoto... As if the dialogue immediately after doesn't tell you that he's here because the Abyss of Time summoned a strong opponent when they wished for one
I haven’t played the answer in any capacity as the version of p3p I’ve played was portable-can’t access fes tho I don’t think I like it due to the no party control, and would like to play reload but I’m broke af rn-so I’ve only seen videos about the answer but I gotta say you make some pretty good points here! Especially about the shadow makoto scene. I think FES was way more metal and Reload feels very censored-a lot of people in general complained the game got censored in the cutscene and yeah can’t lie it does feel that way at times-but I do like the fact SEES does react to shadow makoto disappearing in the cutscene, I especially love Aigis trying to reach out towards him.
I can't say I agree with this. I'm sure people who never played, or never cared for, FES' version of The Answer will walk away thinking that the differences are negligible, but for me the changes in characterization and tone make the story much weaker. The changes to characterization were done in service of matching the tone of Reload's The Journey and making the hangouts in The Answer work, but they completely kill the drama, tension, and conflict in The Answer. I understand that The Answer was contentious in the FES days, but the tense atmosphere and disconnect between the party members was the whole point of The Answer. I just can't believe that the Yukari that would fight Aigis and the rest of SEES over the chance to save someone that she loves/cares for deeply is the same Yukari that is reading books and watching TV shows with Aigis. At one point, Yukari emphasizes that this is just "her opinion" and she isn't objectively right, which just deflates all tension and makes no sense. If you think this is a difference of opinion, why are you going to such extreme lengths? Reload's changes don't justify the SEES civil war. I also hated the part where SEES members besides Mitsuru chime in during Yukari's breakdown. It adds nothing to the scene and just follows the classic anime trope of needing to hear input from every character. The focus is on Yukari, Mitsuru, and to a lesser extent, Aigis. We do not need to hear "Yukari-san..." from Ken to understand that the scene is sad. The whole point of FES' shadow MC cutscene is to represent a moment where SEES is forced to come to terms with the fact that the MC is dead and gone. The whole time, SEES has been avoiding talking about it, trying to just move on and bury the grief they feel. The shadow was there to force the issue. The new cutscene just doesn't have the same impact, it trades striking imagery for a cliche shot of Aigis looking sad and reaching out with her arm. I appreciate that you at least went through the differences between the two versions and didn't just dismiss the changes as a "more accurate localization." It's clear that the script was changed. I understand that someone can prefer Reload's take on The Answer, but to me it is just a weaker retelling of a contentious, but moving and engaging, story. It isn't just one big change (although the lack of key grab is bad), it is the culmination of a lot of little changes in presentation and tone.
You're conveniently glossing over some of FES Answer's story issues. In a vacuum I loved the FES shadow MC cutscene but narratively the issue was that none of the characters reacted to it (Reload fixed this). That cutscene wasn't made for the characters to accept MC is gone. It was made solely to spook the player (and it did a pretty good job). Another issue with how FES handled the SEES conflict was that only Yukari felt like she was upset enough to fight everyone else. FES glosses over why everybody else goes along with her and fights. FES isn't sure whether the conflict is fueled by bad blood or just a difference of opinion (and I prefer that Reload commits to the latter). While there isn't nearly as much tension, I much prefer Reload's handling of the conflict because it feels much more natural and elaborates on the clash of philosophies. Yukari makes the proposal to fight because they're in a stalemate and the group accepts. If you think a difference of opinion between good friends doesn't justify the civil war then you've completely forgotten the stakes. This is a monumental decision about potentially redoing the Nyx battle. Rock paper scissors won't suffice. Of course they have to go to extreme measures to pick an option.
@@hunterhunter5998 Shadow Makoto is a sort of representation of the regrets that the members of SEES have over the death of the MC. The disintegration bit is shocking and it almost feels like a demonic entity is taunting them over the death of their friend, forcing them to confront the painful truth. Regardless of the interpretation, I think there was no reason to change one of the most memorable and unsettling moments in The Answer. If you wanted to add more reactions, that is fine, but there was no reason to tone down the unsettling imagery imo. I would also say that the reactions from SEES in the actual cutscene are kinda half assed, just Aigis doing the cliche "no don't go!" reaching out movement and everyone else doing the standard anime "HUH?!" The post fight dialogue is almost exactly the same, so they didn't really add much in terms of a reaction from the other members of SEES. I agree with you that FES was missing a scene like this. It could have been a really powerful moment, like Yukari could have just lost her shit here and snapped, providing a nice segway into her change of mentality for the argument. I agree that there could have been more emphasis on SEES reaction, but what Reload adds doesn't really do much for me. In FES, the conflict starts out as a more level headed debate, and then Akihiko makes it personal by accusing Yukari of essentially being a coward unable to face the past. Yukari takes this personally and accuses Ken and Akihiko of being hypocrites and it all spirals out from there. In FES they get across the philosophical implications just fine, Yukari wants to fix the past (even if it means facing Nyx again and possibly dooming the world), Akihiko wants to just move on into the future (without learning the truth behind the MC's death and finding closure), and Junpei just wants to keep the group together (even if he needs to do it by force). I think the removed tension makes the fighting feel more forced, if it is just a philosophical debate and there is no bad blood, then why resort to violence? Why not put it to a vote? Like you said, I am aware of the stakes of the decision and the complexity of the dilemma, how none of the teams are really "in the right." In Reload, it feels like the characters are not acting with an appropriate sense of urgency and intensity. The tension and strong emotions are what pushes the philosophical debate into a full blown fight. It just feels so passionless now. When you compare the scenes side by side, Reload Yukari comes across as so passionless and pathetic by comparison, literally collapsing for no reason after the Aigis fight, whereas in FES, Yukari, despite losing, still fights tooth and nail for the key and only after she is told that she has lost her chance, collapses in despair. FES Yukari was abrasive and unlikable, but she also displayed a sense of conviction that made her more sympathetic in the end. I think toning down the intensity with Yukari specifically makes it less impactful. This toning down of the intensity is not a problem specific to Yukari, but it is most noticeable with her.
@@NovaKaiser21 for the Shadow Makoto scene they had two choices: change the cutscene to match the reactions/dialogue or change the dialogue to match the cutscene. Both would've worked for me but Reload chose the former (a subdued somber reaction is good enough because it's not as shocking or grotesque). FES has quite a few of these errors/discrepancies between the anime cutscenes and the game (like long hair yukari or no dark hour lighting) so this is probably another jarring discrepancy to add to the list. I understand that FES tries to portray the conflict as a level headed debate until Yukari fires back at Akihiko. The problem is nobody gets heated like Yukari, not even Akihiko. How is this spiraling out of control? Why does everyone silently go along with Yukari? It's very unconvincing to me. If FES wanted to go this route they needed to find good reasons why everybody else would be pissed at each other. Reload's portrayal is not a philosophical debate but a stalemate. Unlike a debate, nobody is open to changing their mind. A vote wouldn't solve anything because those in the minority still wouldn't hand over their keys (the stakes are way too high). With the clock ticking and Yukari's proposal, they reluctantly agree to fight because they see no other way to break the stalemate. This is a rare case where hurting each other is the lesser evil from their viewpoints because the alternative is potentially endangering the world. Overall I think Reload enriched the philosophical components of the conflict (especially with how Aigis learns a bit from each perspective) and made it feel more natural BECAUSE there isn't any bad blood. I also think it fits the rest of the script better too like when Yukari is encouraging Aigis before they fight (the English dub wrongly makes her sound sarcastic btw). I don't have strong feelings over which Yukari portrayal I prefer. I think they're both excellent in their own ways but if you clearly prefer her FES version (minus the exaggerated voice direction) then more power to you.
@@hunterhunter5998 I'm pointing out that the changes to the Shadow Makoto cutscene do not fix your problem with the original cutscene, the lack of reaction by SEES. Even though there were some discrepancies in the OG cutscenes, they were far and away better directed and more visually interesting than anything that came out of Reload. But no, it is a much better cutscene now because we get to see all the SEES members going "HUH!?" in the background. Real crucial information that adds a lot. And what are you arguing here, you LIKE that they took a really striking and memorable scene and made it less impactful? Even if the reaction makes sense in the context of Reload, why is it a good thing that this story moment is less provocative/interesting? Yes, the other members of SEES do get heated during the debate. In FES, Yukari calls Junpei a coward and Ken and Akihiko a bunch of self-centered hypocrites. Ken and Akihiko are so offended by this that they both jump out of their seat. This part of the debate is missing from the Reload version and is instead replaced by wishy washy dialogue where Yukari talks about how everyone needs to be in touch with their feelings. Again, completely ruining any sort of tension or drama to present a corny, sanitized version of the conflict. You are right that what ultimately forces SEES to fight is the ticking clock element of the time loop falling apart. This element of the story is present in FES as well. What I am complaining about is that the lack of passion and intensity, of sheer emotion. It feels like a weaker and more dethatched way of presenting the conflict. What does Reload add that "enriched the philosophical components of the conflict?" In FES the philosophical or moral conflict is still presented to the player. After you return from the Colosseum, you can talk to everyone and they will reflect on why they were wrong in this conflict. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by sarcastic tone, the pre battle dialogue sounds fine to me. Yukari is relieved that Aigis is regaining her humanity. One of the things that pissed off Yukari the most was that Aigis, despite the fact that she got to be there for the MC in his final moments, was running away and rejecting her humanity. She is relieved to finally see some conviction, some humanity from Aigis, even if they still have to fight.
@@NovaKaiser21 I think Reload's version of the shadow MC cutscene fits better into the story/dialogue but I love the FES one too (despite them both going for completely different tones). We'll just agree to disagree on that. In FES Ken and Akihiko get momentarily offended by Yukari but still neither of them are very angry. Junpei didn't get angry with her at all. I love Yukari's passion but ultimately the FES conflict breaks down for me cuz nobody else is matching her aggressive energy. The other issue is that with this more aggressive and isolated Yukari, I believe SEES would first stop her from being a threat then figure out what to do amongst themselves. Yes Reload's version of the conflict lacks passion (cuz they'd rather not fight) and drama (cuz they voluntarily sign onto Yukari's proposal) but ultimately it's a big upgrade for me writing wise cuz it's way more believable. Reload making it so the others were unaware of the potential danger to Aigis's life was another massive improvement for me. As for how Reload enriches the conflict, I love Junpei's new pre-battle dialogue/reasoning way more. Akihiko's argument to Yukari is also presented better. I also love how Aigis learns from Junpei and Yukari's perspectives over the course of the battles. I see where you're coming from and respect your opinion. I agree the FES conflict was spicier and more passionate but for me certain components of the execution just didn't add up. I think Reload's version of the conflict is much more believable despite losing that spice which is why I now prefer it. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
I don't get the people that are angry about this DLC. I think the price is fair and the other stuff in the expansion pass is such a nothing there is literally no need to be angry about it. And if it is SO UNBEARABLY EXPENSIVE why can't these people just wait for these so called "discounts". Not buying a game on release day has to my knowledge not killed anybody yet.
I really didnt like The Journey in Persona 3. Everything from the characters and plot are very lackluster compared to P4 and P5. Since I had a very bad experience with P3R. I've been reluctant to give the answer a try since I dont really like Aegis as a character. However since I already have the answer cus it was an impulse buy I might just end up playing it anyways. Good video man 👍
I am currently playing Persona 3 (but decided to watch the video after October 4th since i heard that this day was a big thing for Ken) and i have to say that i never really understood why he got that much hate. Maybe it's because i like this kind of characters (at least in some way) but to me Ken was kind of relatable and cute. October 4th still destroyed me but it still didn't make me hate Ken at all. Infact he is still my favourite character in the game as he has been since he joined the group
I disagree with the nicer yukari being the better interpretation, just because someone is nice doesn't mean they can't lash out. IN the original she was a bit bitchy and antagonistic but that was because she was grieving she, was jealous and her emotions weren't straght, epsiode Aigis still delivers this, but it hits less well. Human beings can have ugly emotions, and loss can certainly cause them.
I do agree with what you said. Like I said I think she was completely valid in the way she was written and acted in FES, but for me personally I just preferred how Reload approached it with how she bottled her feelings more, but like I also said, the discussion between everyone with the keys is where FES is better than Reload in almost all fronts.
I hear a lot of people say about this game, "This is worse because, X, Y, and Z..." Myself... I've never played FES but there are some things I thought were done a little better. For example, the shot of Yukari at the beginning of the main game. I also kinda wish they didn't cut the shot of Fuuka crying in the opening cutscene of The Answer. That being said if stuff like THIS are the ultimate deciding factors for the quality of video games, then why do we even play video games to begin with? I really cannot recommend P3R and Episode Aigis to any newcomer to the franchise and long time fans are REALLY missing out if they choose to skip out on it. This game to me is so marvelous it may be my favorite in the series (it's a little too early to decide imo) and it was worth all the time.
