If you had checked the weather forecast beforehand, you would not have put yourself in unnecessary danger! Foehn winds are predicted fairly accurately and are known to be unsuitable and dangerous for paragliding. What else can I say other than that you should stick to the rules you were taught at paragliding school!
Amazing you coined the analog "washing machine" because that's what I called it when I got in a strong mountain rotor! Seems to take forever to land doesn't it? I also have a chase Cam but was always worried to use it in anything but ideal conditions for fear of it getting tangled in my lines, but seems OK fine to hang back. Not sure about symmetric frontals though which I had a lot of. What do you think?
@@sandrainthesky1011 @sandrainthesky1011 Yes the flight was not really long, but I couldn't wait to finally get back on the ground =) I am usually more worried about the chasecam getting entangled (on the ground) during sketchy takeoffs, then I usually switch to the helmet mount. That's funny I never had any big frontal collapses, only self induced ones, I think the cam will shoot forwards in any collapse situation, probably a bit more in case of a frontal... Maybe don't use it if you expect frontals. Or tell me how it went 😅 Also I heard it can entangle in big wingovers, but I am not doing them that extremely =)
Wenns wirklich Föhn ist, wirds gefährlich. Starker Wind ist handlebar, aber Föhnturbulenzen sind total unberechenbar. Da ist man dankbar am Boden zu sein. Alles gut ausgegangen, das ist das Wichtigste. 👍🤙
You knew about the 40km/h wind and the direction it was coming, and still you choose to land directly behind a hill in lee... I'm speechless. Dangerous, and a bad decision since you could and should have landed on the other side of that hill, which you were in the beginning! If that was impossible, at least you should land as far away from any rotor-making objects as possible, yet you land right at the foot of that hill...
@@ozone7 you prove a lack of understanding the circumstances. You didn't even bother to check how the other side of that hill looks like (you can see it in my vid btw). Calling me out for a bad decision not to land there is quite ridiculous. For the second part of your comment: yes, I could have landed maybe 100m further away from the hill, closer to the city. But I doubt that would have changed anything about the wild mix of valley wind and the Alpine Foehn.
Fehleinschätzungen passieren allen mal, das Wichtigste ist nicht die Nerven verlieren und damit umgehen. Super aktiv geflogen und letztendlich gut gelandet. Danke fürs Teilen.
In diesem Fall war's wohl eine Unterlassung bei der Flugvorbereitung statt einer "Fehleinschätzung". Föhnlagen passieren nicht plötzlich. Sie werden von den entsprechenden Wetterdiensten zuverlässig vorausgesagt. So können sich im Nu vermeintlich "ruhige" Wetterverhältnisse zu einer ernsten Gefahrenlage entwickeln, wenn der Föhn durchbricht. Wer ernsthaft bei Föhn fliegen will, dem sei empfohlen, vom Gleitschirmfliegen auf's Segelfliegen umzusteigen! Happy Landing und eine unfallfreie Saison.
jeder wie er es braucht.. bei fön is quasi als würdest in einen wildwasserbach springen bei hochwasser.. aber gut gekämpft! respekt! wer dumme entscheidungen trifft, sollte genug können u verstand haben um zu überleben aber oft würde ich dir das nicht empfehlen😂🍺✌️
Love the cam footage. I have looked through to see if you have said how you did it and cant see an answer. So what did you use? I am guessing a lond pole attached to your harness?
@@RockIceAir putting yourself on risk like this is annoying. 1. Check flight conditions - you didn’t 2. Check your area and get in case infos from locals You even didn’t do any of those and it’s a legal requirement. Everyone know the landing conditions around Wank/ Osterfelder because of the wind system in GAP valley. Even this you ignored. And than being proud showing of this video At least you should have been honest with a review of all the mistakes you made
@@thomaspoett868 How the fck do you want to know what I did or did not do in preparation on this day? You are accusing me with a lot of things without knowing anything about me or my reasons. Go and fight your social justice wars on X/Twitter, I am sure there happend enough in the last 24hours that needs your "qualified" comments.
@AliBabaFlyHigh I was checking the forecast a lot actually and still went for it. I was not aware that the foehn was breaking through at this location. The wind at the take off has calmed down for 15min and I decided to fly. But I was actually just in a big lee zone the whole time. Big misjudgement of the local wind situation
"Das, was wir machen, ist eine ziemlich absurde Tätigkeit. Ist es nicht völlig absurd, dort hinzugehen, wo man umkommen könnte, um nicht umzukommen? Die Kunst dabei aber ist, nicht umzukommen! Diese Kunst, nicht umzukommen, wiederum ist nur eine Kunst, weil man dabei umkommen könnte. Es ist doch ganz einfach: Sonst wäre es kein Grenzgang ... Wenn ich zurückkomme, zuletzt nicht dabei umkomme, habe ich einen Grenzgang hinter mir. Und erlebe das als Wiedergeburt." Reinhold Messner These: Ein jeder soll frei sein diese Grenze so schraf wie er will zu erfahren, oder niemals. Wissend was er tut, oder nicht.
@@tobiasl.4038 ja auf jeden Fall, Packmaß und Gewicht sind niedrig, fliegt sich zackig und man kann sogar auch mal bisschen Höhe aufbauen wenn man einen ordentlichen Bart findet =)
Nothing, the rope at the feet in the first half of the video is just an optional tool for accelerating the wing. Kind of like the throttle in a car. I am sitting in something that is similar to a climbing harness and that holds me around my thighs and hips =)
Its nuts with a hangglider, which usually wont collapse. But with a Paraglider its totally nuts. If the air would be visible as water, it looks like a storm flood with foamy big waves...go for a swim? Glad you are safe.
schön den Scheiss 1:1 als Video zu sehen..................aber Deine Entscheidung betr. Fliegen oder nicht Fliegen begreife ich definitiv nicht ! - Bereits in den 80er Jahren kriegten wir folgende Meteoregel "eingepauckt" : ab 4 hPa Druckdifferenz zwischen N +S wird nicht mehr geflogen............... // aber diese Regel wird ja seit gefühlt 20 Jahren von Wettkampfpiloten (und möchtegern Wetkampfpiloten) systematisch gebrochen.... // doof finde ich enfach, dass wenn mal was passieren tut, schlussendlich die Allgemeinheit wieder dafür bezalen muss. Will heissen, die Prämien für Unfall und/oder Krankenversicherung werden einfach erhöht..................:-(..................................// Meine Meinung: finanzielle Regress-Schraube bei Sportunfällen sollte deutlich angezogen werden.
Intentionally take off AND fly in the lee, well, if you like it. 🙄😆 You knew what you were doing. - I flew in the windward direction, which was also "interesting" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bpxTrxCCiCc.html
Fliege nie bei Föhn. Niemand, absolut niemand hat kann voraussagen wie und wann der Föhn aktiv ist und durchbricht. Aber der Pilot hätte schon an den zerfetzten Kumuli sehen sollen, das der Föhn bereits stark in der Höhe ins Tal greift.
Thx for sharing. Luckily for u the turbulens settled nearer ground. Nice video edit :) Big ears and bar might be good in situations like this. Say from 100m down to 25m in your case here. (until tings settled). Anyhow, happy to see you kept I cool and landed safe!
Thanks for posting! I flew this area over 42 years ago, when paragliding started out. Great seeing my old stomping grounds. Still flying all these years later, but now in B.C. with a Geo6 and a Flare Moustache. Good times! Luckily we don't have the "Foehn" conditions here in British Columbia. Keep it safe and happy flying!
@@RockIceAir I agree, the wings have improved so much. I mostly fly in the Interior in BC. We have several sites around Williams Lake and Sabina near Kamloops has a great site. Now that I also have a Flare Moustache I have a lot more options.
Wem das noch Spaß macht ... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xp_EkFTVfuc.html ... dem ist auch nicht mehr zu helfen. Wobei durch die Verfolger Kamera die Sache stark dramatisiert wird.
Was thinking the same! Often GoPro footage from a helmet looks really gentle, compared to the memory of getting your arse spanked 🤣🤣👍⭐ This chase cam was perfect. Glad it didn't get tangled in your lines in that rough air
I flew there several times... Dont get me wrong, but if you want to continue this Sport, and especially your life, dont start on alpine places like that in these conditions... Its part of the Zugspitzmassiv, so you should expect heavy condiotions any time... There are a lot of other and safer flying spots around, and i think, you even know that yourself!
Mannomann, das war gefährlicher, als es auf dem Video ausschaut. So viele fragen.... Warum die Startentscheidung? Hast du davor wenigstens die umliegenden Windmesswerte abgerufen? Verm. nicht - Bei Burnair sehe ich im Archiv, Ehrwald hatte 60er Grundwind und 80er Böen!!! 🤢🤮😵🥴🤯😲 Wieso hast du den Landeplatz genommen und bist nicht eher in Breitenau runter? Da wär zumindest nicht noch ein Lee gewesen (deswegen war es auch bei der Landung ruhiger - aber halt saugefährlich).
Speedbar + Bremsen gleichzeitig machen den Schirm zusätzlich instabil und klappanfällig, weil so das Schirmprofil stark deformiert wird. Ist nicht empfehlenswert. Fliegen lassen, wenn du in Speedbar bist und nur kurze Bremsimpulse bei starken Nickbewegungen würde ich empfehlen
Yeah - it's either accelerator *or* brakes... Not both at the same time (you're asking for a massive frontal collapse if you do - trust me, I race an Enzo3 and you really want to avoid that experience, especially in a nasty Föhn washing machine). Adding brakes while on the Speed Bar causes the wing's nose to pitch further forward/down - often blowing the wing up quite spectacularly!
saw that as well and got quite scared for you as there are so many more options to control your wing with speed bar, eg use b/c-steering and go on full bar, usually pretty stable. as the others recommended, brakes + speedbar really bad idea. also if you want to fly föhn conditions in garmisch, go to wank. if its not flyable there on south föhn, its nowhere. wank is way less prone to any lee, but the osterfelder is pretty much the worst lee rotor side for south föhn, since there is the massive wetterstein ridge providing for heavy turbulences...
