Nice, clear video. Some kind of midi device like Korg nanokontrol would allow each member to adjust their levels. That’s, more cables tho… Or maybe some kind of midi app that would do the same thing
That would work! But like you say, more cables. Also uses up more USB ports on your hub that you may want to use for other gear, Launchpads, USB Keyboards, etc. I looked into using iOS / mobile apps to control Ableton from phones as well. That does work -- until it doesn't. If it lags out or connection goes weird at a gig, that'd be horrible
Thanks! ❤It was very helpful to me. Before, I had been writing drums in a lazy way (using my own MIDI fragments), and the music I made made me confused and unsure. But recently, I wanted to write my own rhythm instead of blindly dragging MIDI fragments for "addition", in fact, the music of "subtraction" is the most sincere, so I began to learn the writing of drum sets from 0！
Happy to hear! It gradually gets easier and easier. It's always going to be more expressive than using pre-made MIDI patterns or loops, this way you put more of yourself into your parts and your tracks should end up sounding more original & authentic to you as a result.
Thanx Josh! Very useful da Rx tool. Have u considered clipping a Short out of this video, going straight 2 da vein? I almost didn't watch it when I saw 15minutes, hope it helps u 2 get more views :)
Happy if it helped out! Thanks for the suggestion too - might help with this one, but in my experience Shorts & Reels don't perform any better than normal vids, actually worse mostly in my case, so I think it's a myth that Shorts somehow automatically get more views than a regular vid. Also tbh, I made this YT channel so I could get away from IG and making short-form 60 second vids and Reels etc. I don't really enjoy Tiktokification or making those types of videos, so I try to do things a bit differently or just how I personally want to do them here, without worrying about fitting trends or what the algorithms want etc
Thanks for this, it's super informative. So all your tracks are going through the master out rather than individually for the sound tech to mix in the venue?
Cheers! and yeah that's correct. That is admittedly a much better method if you've got the means & budget to do it, i.e. a bigger audio interface with plenty of outputs, and ideally your own sound-tech who knows your music. I'd be a bit sceptical giving that much control to an in-house venue sound engineer, who probably won't know your tunes that well. Assuming you can pre-mix & level everything in your Ableton set on a decent mixing system beforehand, then it should translate to live venue soundsystems relatively well just out of the Master 1-2. If you need to tweak, I just walk out in front of the stage during soundchecks whilst my Ableton set plays some tracks, and if I think there's too much bass or any levels are weird, then I can adjust them myself in Ableton on-stage. Gives soundtechs a relatively easy night.
Great question, think I'm gonna make a video to respond to this tbh as it'll be easier to explain than with text and will probably be helpful for others too but yeah, it's definitely possible to do this with this kind of setup, albeit with a couple limitations Involves setting up Groups in Ableton containing tracks that are set to monitor 'Audio From' specific places, then naming these Groups after your bandmembers and routing each Group to seperate Outputs on your audio interface that they can then connect headphones to
@@stuff6218 Holy heck that was a refreshing listen, really compelling space & kinda soundstage feeling in this. Thanks for the recommendation, that was awesome. Will try to remember to get around to the whole album 🙏
So cool, this is by far the best video on explaining so much awesome stuff in one video, i already knew most of it but if i was starting out this would be the video to goto. Great work, just listened to your music, sounds awesome btw 🙏. Subscribed
Awh cheers for those very kind words! Very happy to hear that, aimed to cover most important things I could think of for folks starting out. Glad you enjoy :)
For IMM/math metal you do actually need a fair bit of braiiiiiins. Thanks for these 'how to...' vids btw, you have a good style of walking viewers through what you are presenting. Looking forward to the making of the FF/Cactuar Collective works!
blue fields and find your way were always my faves from 8 and you have made them sound awesome here. i so hope you tour with this material cos the band sound great on the couple of videos i watched!
Thanks so much! I couldn't quite find or match the original sounds in Blue Fields, that sort of steel-pan drum topline thing eluded me but i think the real vibraphone hopefully does a nice thing in its place. Cheers for the support 🙏
This is nuts and great! I saw you/Luo perform Eldritch Rhythm at your gig I spontaneously came to and now I wanted to edit the H.P. Lovecraft Wiki to include the Luo song under the "music" section I thought "I better check I remember the song name correctly", and I see this awesomeness!! Wow, just wow! You keep surprising me :D I am a biiiiig FF7 & 8 fan as I am of Lovecraft's stories. Soooo, Yoko Shimomura's Parasite Eve OST next?? You would absolutely smash that, if the game means anything to you. Thanks again for this. I've subbed to all your channels to ensure I don't miss things (as badly) next time :)
I’ll be chuffed if you manage to add that to the Lovecraft wiki ha! Nice one man, which gig was that you were at? And thanks for the kind words :) Never got my hands on Parasite Eve 1 or 2 back in the day, unfortunately. Maybe I should grab an emulator to check em out. I wonder if there'll ever be an HD port or remaster of that game, seems to get overlooked compared some others
@@joshtrinnaman Saw you guys at The Jam Jar, Bristol (I'm Bristolian). Loved it! Thanks for the memories. I wrote like this on the Fandom Lovecraft Wiki page last night: "Luo (British experimental music project of Josh Trinnaman & pals): have recorded and performed a song named Eldritch Rhythm". But if you want to edit that, just search the fandom page and it takes seconds to join/edit entries. I joined especially to add that because that masterpiece needs to be known by other HPL fans! :D You're spot on about PE, man. I do hope something comes some day. Survival horror RPGs sell amazingly well right now, too. Yoko Shimomura's music really lifts it and she won awards, I think. Check 'Out of Phase' or 'Arise Within You' from PE1 for examples of why I thought of you after hearing these Cactuar Collective works, which btw are awesome as I listened to the rest today! Cheers!
hey! Great video and quility, thanks a lot. Did you ever consider routing all synths via "main" midi track? I saw a video saying that 1 track in Ableton literally uses one core of the processor, that way you could utilize multicore: main empty midi track -> all synths are on separate tracks and get input from the main midi track
Cheers! Worth being aware of that, but personally think this way of maximising CPU is better-suited to production contexts / making / mixing tracks, not this context of a live performance rig. To me the multi-track method adds variables or risks of things going wrong at a gig, adds to the list of things that you need to remember to check before each performance. E.g if you have a Rhodes piano sound on Track 1 and Synth on Track 2, and you want to switch between them, you have to always check those little red 'Record Arm' buttons at the bottom of each track are definitely on, check all your Monitoring settings etc, check automation's enabled, it goes on. If you wanna switch from Track 1 to Track 2 and havent got 'Record Arm' enabled on both tracks, you won't hear anything even if MIDI is being sent to them. Its a small but important detail that these 'Record Arm' buttons can be a bit pesky, and you can easily accidentally turn them off without realising. Basically you can be playing your Rhodes sound all fine, but then you switch to your other sound and nothing plays, and then you're just stood there hitting a keyboard that makes no sound. This is not fun if it happens to you at a gig or festival, particularly if its a solo keys moment :D Apply this to more than 2 instrument sounds, and you're just adding up things you need to check before playing, which isnt always ideal in the rush of a gig setup; super-easy to overlook it. Thats just 1 reason why I prefer using a single track
Yeah man its like a whole thing for me, there's a pretty good reason 😅 guessing you just stumbled across this. I recreated 3 album's worth of tracks from FF7, 8 and 9 here on this channel called Cactuar Collections and the versions you're hearing/seeing in this vid are my own ones, useful for showing mix tips or other production tips etc
Happy to see this vid has helped a few folks out! Check out my Cactuar Collections albums using these Addictive Drums 2 kit tones in full tracks 👇🙏 luomusic.bandcamp.com/album/cactuar-collections Full album playlist also here on YT 🌵: ru-vid.com/group/PL-kiON_oQKPCA-QyzRsiqV4MpvP-gU-41&feature=shared
With the NanoKontrol, i noticed the SOLO buttons seemed to be momentary, is that something you decided, or is that how it comes? Also, what boxs did you have checked off in the MIDI settings in Ableton?
Yeah that's just how it comes, but think you can change that behaviour with the Korg Kontrol Editor app to change if its a toggle or momentary button. Also pretty sure you only need the MIDI Input Track & Remote buttons for the Nanokontrol in ableton prefs too, the rest can be unchecked
Yeh its a strange one, doesn't seem to get covered often. One of the hardest tunes for me to get sounding close to the OG because of the 2 weird-ass sound effects in it; the one in the left ear thats like a group-shout or chant, and the one in the right ear that's a sort of metallic 'clunk'. Took me ages to get those sounding vaguely similar to the OG, think they're really important for this track to sound 'correct'
Grreat video Josh. In your opinion is Addictive Drums good enough to use in a proper song? I'm debating what plugin to use to substitute live drums as hiring session drummers for each song is quite expensive. What do you think?
Yeah I definitely think you can, I personally used AD2 for all the drums on this album for the same budgetary reason! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3dpPJ0ngLic.html Personally I think they're pretty convincing, I would usually prefer to record a real drummer but in this case I was really happy with the sound of AD2, considering it cost me a fraction of the price of recording a full album's worth of real drums in a studio. But I guess its not really for me to say how convincing they are, that's up to listeners to decide :)
@@udderhippo yeah this sort of thing instead of the x-frame design! www.pmtonline.co.uk/tourtech-tts-mxa1-adjustable-stand-for-mixer-or-keyboard might be worth checking measurements to make sure it'll fit under the desk with the keyboard on top too
@@joshtrinnaman I do indeed have an x-frame at the moment - that style in the link looks like just the ticket :) Nice one, thanks again and your band Luo is sick! Would love to check them out if you play any shows.
I tarted trying to do this on ableton but even with the same model as you M1 Pro MacBook Pro with buffer at 32 samples, the latency was still too bothersome for me. And acoustic finger style guitar is the main core of my sound so I just couldn't deal with it. I don't know if there's any other tricks I could have pulled. So in the end I used the UAD Apollo to get a few zero latency effects where I really needed them, then used Ableton for reverbs, delays and granulation effects. Things that don't mind having a small amount of latency. That has worked pretty well for me. I use the Morningstar MC8 to turn on and off all the ableton effects. Thanks for the video, interesting to see your setup.
Sorry to hear that, I also play fingerstyle acoustic through the same setup sometimes! There's a degree of latency doing things this way, so I think it's a trade-off with the creative advantages available by having the signal in Ableton, at the slight cost of timing-responsiveness. But there's some tricks or things I can point out to try & help mitigate this, 1- Certain types of FX or plugins introduce a lot of latency to your session, even if they aren't on your guitar track. Pitch-shifting plugins and limiters for example, or things possibly on Master/Stereo Out channel can add latency to your guitar input. 2- Ableton has tools to deal with this, in Audio Preferences it'll tell you in miliseconds how much latency is in your session and you can counter-act this by delaying your input signals to balance out the latency -- for example, if there's 50ms latency overall, you can use the Track Delay feature or the Input Latency adjustments to delay your guitar signal by -50ms, getting you close* to 0. 3 - I say close* cos certain plugins, no matter what, if they're active in your session they permanently add a feeling of latency that you can't get around, even at super-low buffers like 32 where you shouldn't really be able to feel it. Worth checking the latency of your non-UAD FX or processes elsewhere in the setup to see if there's something interfering.
The more and more I watch your videos, the more i am learning. I see why ableton is the top dog for live interaction. Great video. Respect to your video editing skills as well.
Cheers! At this exact moment of seeing your comment, I'm currently working on the Disc 3 album video for this channel - should have this out quite soon. 🙏
Nice! Yeah for sure. Sometimes you might want to run a synth/VST plugin from your original track actually live in real-time, so you could do that by grabbing the MIDI from your original project and putting it into Ableton as a clip like this, and load the VST so you can tweak the sound of something live by changing parameters within a synth plugin, for example. I've avoided that here and only used Audio tracks with a couple FX on them to keep the CPU cost as low as possible; some VST synths are very CPU-hungry and I wanted this method to work for anyone without needing a powerful machine, but if you can its fun to experiment with!
@@stuff6218 100%, not essential at all. Can also automate plugins to turn on & off in your session, so you've only got CPU-heavy plugins running when they actually need to be on. Think it'd be boring to show in a vid but thats how I used to blag running a lot of synths on an older laptop without stutters live
@@joshtrinnaman I'll have to look into that. My music would have to be restructured a fair bit for live, I think. Big project! I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on it. If you fancy a listen I'll wang you a link. Always enjoyed catching LUO back in the day.
@@stuff6218 I'd love to mate, pop a link on over! Oh you've actually seen me live ha! I think you might've mentioned that elsewhere if I remember right, but cool to hear again. Been sitting on new Luo music for ages, there will be a new release at some point.
