I think people are overreacting. The Wedding Film Industry is fine and will forever be. It might change a little bit but videography in weddings will be here forever
Sure there will always be weddings. This is a larger discussion about the perceived value of where video currently stands and if it will ever be viewed in a more valueable way. The truth is ever since Covid alot of videographers have been in decline. This year more than ever. This is what makes up the industry, people, businesses, some yes are fine, most are not. It’s not overreacting to the people who are struggling and are getting passed by. I think a productive, constructive conversation about how we can be better collectively isn’t an overreaction but a necessary and very important mission. We all want to improve and keep doing what we love right?
@@WaywardNorth valid points. I think I was a bit careless with my original comment. I think less people are also getting married which also affects the industry. In my honest opinion mid level videographers should offer a full package of photography and videography at the same time by working simultaneously with photographers. For example here in Greece 9/10 couples search for a package which includes EVERYTHING (Photo + video). That's why I opened my business with a videographer, so we can offer both services at the same time. Of course that's not how the high end market works but most people are not on that level (myself included).
Hard pass! In the blind ‘want’ to have the fastest full frame zoom and hit f1.8, they have made something that works for no one. 24-50mm f2 at £1200 and everyone would have bought it. Sigma have Proper messed up with this one.
Surprisingly I found 28 to be a perfect range for this wedding but I can definitely see how this may not always be the case for every situation. But you make some strong points for sure!
Dude thats really tough but I would say it really depends on if you feel .4 makes that much of a difference. I mean love me some primes but the versatility with this lens at 1.8 and still achieving beautiful depth, makes me vote Sigma 28-45 here. Also dude haha the fog was a gift. It was sunny, then it rained, then the fog said, "hello lucky filmmaker, welcome to beauty and mystique."
I know and thats really the biggest detractor for people but it's a beautiful lens that can be a great asset depending on your end use with it. For me the 1.8 sells the deal and the zoom aspect is a bonus.
Cool lens. Off-topic: I know you're exploring ditching slo-mo in some scenarios. But the problem remains--shooting 60p or faster with appropriate shutter looks bad on a 24p timeline, playing at real-time speed. I wish we had solutions for that. Looks jittery, and possibly like a settings/operator mistake.
Thanks for the feedback. Id say a simple solution is Gimbal + ND Filter if you still wanted to film in 60. I didn't have the right threads for this wedding since I was testing a new lens so my ND filter wasn't available. I worked with what I had and did what I was comfortable with. I still think it turned out awesome and I know the couple will love the end product and for me that's all that matters.
I’m a wedding photographer and I also do some wedding films here n there and we didn’t get a videographer with our wedding last year. Could not afford it or justify it. Videos don’t go on my walls, and I feel like we would watch it a few times and that’s the end of it.
I like the videos I like you expressing your opinions! I think videographer and Photographer put the meal thing in their contract because like every other job in the US if you work eight hours, you required to have a lunch break even if you don’t want one. At least that’s where I’m usually just sitting at a desk and I normally don’t even want to go walk down to a cafeteria to eat. I’d rather just shorten my working day by continuing work.
Brides are getting tired of the music video, cookie cutter templates, especially with the rise of Content Creators. The wedding filmmakers that are willing to put in the work that no one else wants to do to document the day in the way that is most precious to the bride will stand the test of time.
I'm so glad to hear you say this. I watched some high priced wedding videographers recently who approach it more like a reality show, and I thought, wow! this feels way more real with normal speed clips. It made me realize that the normal wedding video formula is broken. (venue shot, florals closeup, details, bride getting ready, bride and groom kissing, everyone cheering, speeches, now set it all indiscriminately to half speed and apply a music bed song.) We can do more.
I started photography/videography 8ish years ago. I've recently started the journey of filming weddings. Did my first one a few weeks ago. I recently found your channel and have been binging all of your content. I love it! Thank you for sharing your knowledge! Also your color grading is absolutely beautiful in all of your work
WEDDING VIDEOS ARE A WANT NOT A NEED ONE MORE TIME FOR EVERYONE IN THE BACK WADDING VIDEOS ARE A WANT NOT A NEED. send out a servay email asking old customers how offten they look at the wedding videos vs the wedding photos. there will always be a place for wedding video but never a need and thats what you have to learn don't do one type of video work. when I get married i'm going to have all my friends and family import all the photos with the ones they will take with their phones and maybe do a photo shoot with my wife but spending 7/10k for video and photo I don't see the value even long term.
Vendor meal hot take is way off...... While you aren't entitled, it's def earned. and after 15 years in DJ/video/photo, I absolutely include the clause. We aren't machines, and sometimes... snacks just aren't enough.
I usually fast on the wedding day too but mostly because I don't want to worry about finding a bathroom early in the day when I can't miss critical moments 🤣 But vendor meals hit real nice when you are starving. Also I've not heard of the content creators style of wedding video. I get why it would exist though. For the last one, the dance floor lights, I'd say it can depend. I have noticed that sometimes when I set up my lights I get looks from wedding guests and the area closet to my lights is usually barren even on the lower brightness settings because people don't want to dance near the lights haha I've also had couples straight up ask me not to use my own lights (though only a few times, usually they get why they're needed).
I used to only film in 24fps. I only started to shoot 60/120 because I saw other people using it and felt like I had to include it to compete. It can definitely be a crutch in editing to cover up lack of proper coverage at times :/ But on the flipside I totally understand why people would film exclusively in 60fps to just make life easier for themselves.
Silly question, but I’m assuming you drop your 60fps footage on a 24 frame timeline? I feel like my 60fps footage looks a taaaad choppy in a 24 timeline, compared to 24 in a 24…maybe it’s just my camera! ALSO, can I capture audio in 60fps and still be good in a 24 timeline? You’re awesome and the content is so helpful.
Thanks so much! Yeah, I film in 60FPS at 1/120 or sometimes higher depending on if I have an ND filter and then edit in a 24fps timeline. I’ve become so used to it that it doesn’t offer any noticeable concern and my brides love the films so I just keep powering through with it. 24 will give you much better motion blur and convey a more realistic feeling but I haven’t fully transitioned to filming in 24 just yet
because nowadays a wedding video is a set of stereotypes and templates, these are pics that come to life with added movement. There is nothing valuable in the endless groom adjustments of a tie and the bride touching her dress . Clients want to see emotions and real life, some moments that not everyone saw at weddings, something unique and memorable. Those who do this will definitely have clients, the question is how they can break through tons of template videos.
I would said that as a Bride to marry in 2 months we didn’t choose a videographer because we do not want to have a camera polluting around, I have seeing in recent wedding that we have attended too that it seams almost that catching the best shot is more important than the event itself, we just want to be in the moment without feeling the pressure of being aware of a camera recording around, we feel that having a camera in between just takes away the authenticity of the moment. Yes, it will look great when you put the film together but we are going to be the ones seeing the camera in our memories all around, and We just don’t what to remember our day like that. ❤
Thanks for sharing! This is part of the concern we see in the industry as well when it comes to perception. Couples watch how video teams operate at weddings and that generally informs their decision for their own wedding but not all videographers are cut from the same cloth. I hate that you feel the videographer would impose negatively on the day for you and your day but I totally understand why you feel that way. Out of curiosity did you hire a photographer?
I commented on your latest video, about how I’ve filmed 7 weddings to date so very early days but I film with canon 5d mk3’s which shoot 60fps but It’s only 720p so slow mo isn’t an option for me and to be honest I prefer the 24fps look
Filming a wedding on a full stomach is never fun. We dont need meals and most weddings we have an opportunity to grab something in between locations after ceremony.
My opinion people will share their weddings pictures and look at them frequently compared to a wedding video. Ask yourself if you have a wedding video how often have you watched that compared to the photos ?
Totally, I think where so many get caught up with this mindset is thinking oh we won’t watch it but a few times when we get it. And I mean sure, but the wedding film itself isn’t for you in the here and now. It’s for you 10,20,30 years from now. That person will be yearning for a chance to relive their wedding day. The magic is in the long game, not short term gratification.
I’m still in my infancy with wedding videography. I’ve just done my 7th wedding. I struggle with coming to terms with creating something I like and then having to risk showing others. I think my problem is I’m comparing myself to all the amazing videographers I see on RU-vid.
I feel this 100% but just keep going. Keep shooting. Don’t worry about others and what they’re doing. I promise, it’ll click one day and you’ll get it.
2m dollar wedding.. Could also be the case that some very important people might be there and the couple did not want to take chances with someone filming the wrong thing and it accidentally coming out. Photos are way more forgiving in that aspect even if the wrong photo comes out.
Hot take on wedding films: if you don’t want to be treated as an add on, price and market yourself accordingly. Move into a market that values video and doesn’t simply see it as a bonus. As a wedding photographer, I constantly hear “We’d love to have a videographer if there’s any room left in the budget when we get closer.” These are the clients I would avoid at all costs as a videographer.
Great video and great takes. I’ve photographed 400+ weddings and filmed 1 wedding. Let me tell you, I’ll never complain about photographing another wedding again. Filming is so much more work 😅 Thanks for all the great content.
That's funny because I have no real interest in photographing weddings because it seems like a lot much more work than video to me 😆 Different kinds of stress I suppose haha
Most couples that i work with shy away from the camera almost instantly and I would love to have any advice on what i can do to help ease people's nerves
The proliferation of franchises taking over the wedding industry. There seems to be so many national vendors that are saturating the market, which turns most wedding videos into single shooter slow motion montages. Shooter is local, editing is done out of state.
Ive never done a wedding where i wasnt fed lol. They always take care of me and my assistant if i have one but i do typically have a protein smoothie before bc i know im about to get a workout 😂 Technically nothing is a necessity besides going down to the courthouse. But not getting a wedding film in 2024 is nasty work. Heck theres a bunch of people you can find in just about any budget range. There's virtually no excuse nowadays. But we definitely are under appreciated. Even my fiance never understood until she helped me with one wedding and she was STRESSED. 😂😂😂😂 then the editing had her more stressed and she was like you need to charge wayy more lol If you edit or can edit your own work you're a film maker imo. Social media got peoples head warped in EVERYTHING. Im a car enthusiast. Everyone thinks they are car enthusiasts even though they dont know a thing lol. Or cant actually race their car. And nowadays 1000hp is slow. Like what???? Film Making from beginning to end is not easy or non time consuming. We putting in crazy work and have to be so much more creative than photographers imo and i also do photography. Content creators can devalue almost anything depending on what it is. They've done more harm than good in the car community for sure. Clout is everything. Bc peoples can create quick reels, they think wedding film Making can be done overnight 😂😂. And it also confuses some people bc they dont know what they want sometimes or want too many different things when it comes to their wedding film bc of all the "content" they consume on a daily basis. And they try to get more out of you for extra things like reels and stuff bc social media is thing and clout is a drug people cant get enough of lol. At the same time people like Wayward wouldnt be around if it wasnt for content creators bc his RU-vid is technically content creation lol. I already have an add on for 15 second reels and 30 and 60 second reels but those arent available for 1-2 weeks after. Never realized people were just essentially capturing and posting the content like that lol i thought the guests were doing that for free 😂😂😂 The lighting nope. Just like you said, either they vibing with the music and want to dance or they're not. Its that simple tbh. I dont always use lights around the dance area but ive never had an issue. And couples LOVE when i use the rgb on my light attached to my little smallrig setup when i go hand held Anyways love your content broski. You've been such a tremendous help and definitely my favorite wedding filmmaker who does content. You're humble, you keep it 💯 and you know what you're talking about!
add some creatine and get those gains haha I actually meal prep wraps and smoothies and load them in a backpack ice chest on the big day, never know if or when you'll be fed that day
@@WaywardNorth i always call photographer and dj before wedding because of it. I try to made a little bit "friendship" before work together. It helps a little on the mission. But i live in different country with different culture/people. This country has a lot of very ugly wedding and bad habits. Especially speeches is very rare. People dont like it. Its sad to me, because it helps a lot in non linear editing and deeper storytelling.
I'm sorry but eating and taking a break is not a privilege haha it is a human right. More power to you if fasting and granola bars are your thing but everyone else needs a break and a hot meal that doesn't give us food poisoning (which has happened a couple times) I love your vids, keep it up!
Valid argument! And I think most weddings nowadays feed their vendors like I mentioned I HARDLY run into that being an issue. But it has definitely happened and that cookout tray and milkshake was ahhhmazing haha. Everyone is certainly different and fasting helps me focus and not worry about possible food poisoning the next day. I think demanding it in a contract is a little off putting but like I said I totally get it and some people NEED that food so no shame at all.
In my opinion, anything for a wedding is a luxury expense. Anyone could go to a courthouse and get married, and saying if DJ or planner or photographer aren't a luxury expense is mind-boggling. The fact that photography has just been around for longer is what makes people not think it's a luxury expense, when it is and most photographers are charging more than videographers, which also boggles my mind because if a videographer is doing it right, they should be charging at least the same or slightly more.
Oh yeah the entire wedding day and every vendor involved is a luxury. In the eyes of the couple what luxury is more priority is probably a better way of phrasing. Typically venue/photo/planner/florists/catering/dj/decor/ and if there’s room maybe video. It is so interesting how people assume video is cheaper than photo but I think that’s in part to the stereotype of wedding videos out there and the perception that’s been engraved in people’s minds.
Hot take - The saturation and lack of differentiation in the market will lead to couples prioritizing the character of the videographer and how they enhance the joy & experience of the day over quality of production. Already seeing this in the California wedding market - sincerely a wedding videography & photography married couple
I agree with this, I feel like that’s becoming more and more common globally. Quality of work wasn’t the main deciding factor but it used to be a top priority. Now everything looks the same, so couples are basing a lot of their decision around cheapest option and personality/experience being secondary.
