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Sauron loved no one he had no feelings of love .. this is just non sense ... bring morgoth only he can put some sense in these useless worms and this servant sauron.
Jackson must have done this for some reason, but I can't believe he ever meant to put it in the film. He still had respect for Tolkien's work when they were shooting LOTR. It wasn't until the Hobbit that they began inventing things wholesale. This is like something added by a 13 year old.
I also like the little detail in the film when Gandalf says its a Balrog, Legolas actually reacts with recognition and fear. He knew of the Balrogs from his father, opposed to the rest of the fellowship who never heard of them.
Galadriel never had a face to face with Sauron. If Sauron wanted to convince (already married) Galadriel of anything, he would have taken the shape of a radiant, charismatic Elf, not the shape of a loser "nobody" human. This is the best possibly scene the showrunners could write to mock the show and Tolkien's entire works. By the way, Sauron, a Maia, could never had any interest in Galadriel, an elf with no special skills or power.
I really like your video but I have 2 points of language for you since this post is about language and I appreciate you are not a native English speaker. 1) “a” and “the” are not the same and not interchangeable. “I am a servant of the secret fire” means he is not the only one whereas “I am the servant…” would mean he is the only one. 2) can and shall are not the same and not interchangeable. “You can not pass” has a different meaning to what is actually said, “you shall not pass”. “You can not pass” would be saying he is not able to pass whereas “you shall not pass” is Gandalf saying he will not allow it. Just a difference in tone and Gandalf again showing who is boss before the fight begins.
“You cannot pass” is the line as Tolkien wrote it. It is repeated three times. “You shall not pass” is the line from the movie script writers. You can argue the different meanings, but Tolkien was certainly a master of language, and he wrote it as “…cannot…”. Make of that what you will.
I still want to know why the balrog attacked in the first place. The Fellowship were already on their way out. They didn't steal from him. They didn't even know he was there. Revealing himself at all was dumb. He must have wanted something from them besides just getting grumpy about trespassers. Gandalf and Aragorn both had passed through Moria before, and Balin's dwarves lived there for years, and it was the orcs who cleaned them out. So why? It had to have sensed the ring, right? What other reason could it have?
As much as I love Peter Jackson's take on Tolkien's works, I really am not up to have my hopes dashed yet again. After what he did to Saruman and Grima's characters in The Return of The King, and then joked about how maybe one day we'd get some extended stuff where Grima actually said "you made me do it" to Saruman, no way. He'd just make everything over 4 hours long and still extend it and leave half of it how later, just for a cash grab.
"When the Devil appears on Earth he will not come as a man or woman of darkness but one of light. When Satan walks amongst humans again they will cheer the name he has taken, rise him above all others, a false prophet. When Satan walks amongst us we will champion him as our saviour. Once his light shines brightest only then will his darkness envelope us all." Describes Sauron too a tee as well.
Across the woks of Tolkien, the Maiar killing the Balrog also dies. As if it was the price of this. Gandalf seems aware of that and this is why he is so reluctant to travel through Moria. And he duly dies but gets resurrected for a limited time to finish his mission. An echo of Jesus but not only. The Khazad Dum encounter is the as archetypic fight of good and evil as it gets. A scene Tolkien imagined long before writing The LOTR.
Sauron could take many forms at peak power, but could he have taken the form of a Balrog since his innate nature wasn't fiery as Balrog's were, or was a fiery disposition the max potential for Sauron? Maiar have innate abilities, yet with Sauron being one of the most powerful Maiar, if not the most magically powerful, he would have taken the form of a Balrog in battle if he actually could have since a Balrog is far more imposing than his own 8.5' feet Dark Lord form.
If you look carefully as Gandalf starts to fall away from the ruined bridge into the chasm, his arms are spread out in a way that looks like Jesus on the cross, for a moment before Gandalf fades into the dark depths.
The significance of the duel between Elendil & Sauron was Nerffed; (He wasn’t some random old bloke in armour getting smacked around) This man was MIGHTY & gleaming with power! * He & Gil-Galad; last true Elven King battled Sauron and slayed Sauron’s physical body and both died in the process. GilGalad was held high by the face for all free peoples to see as he then incinerated his bodily form to a crisp of ash! Isildur was part of the fight too but not as prominently and he just comes up to the body to cut the ring finger off and…. So one example is how easily Sauron is killed in the intro. * • He's set up as this super powered badass, but all you have to do is cut off his finger? That's not how it went down in the book, where the greatest man-king and the greatest elven-king had to double-team Sauron to strike down his body, but were killed in the effort (Isildur then cuts the ring from the corpse). Especially for elves the title of king has many meanings & by the Third Age there isn’t a population large enough to even attempt to such a thing as creating a unified kingdom, which would put a target on their backs, let alone many of them are beyond all of that anyway as it’s seen as doing more harm than anything good. * They also seen what happened when the elves fell upon the swords of their own hubris and passion no matter if it was for the right reasons some of the time. That it always ended up in some sort of tragedy which sometimes even damaged the earth itself. They had long known about what’s called the Long Defeat as ever since Morgoth’s marring of the land itself; pouring his remnants into it that caused the “magic” to slowly drain away from the land itself, which is sad because for ages several clans of elves were born there. even the greatest ancestors were “born” in middle earth awakening to the stars ! Many of who are left have accepted the next phase of their life which is to become councillors, healers and loremasters to those with the heart to listen and the desire to learn. But above all the guardians and custodians of several things and the world itself for as long as they can remain!❤ The elves “exist” as long as the world does. And Tolkien made it obvious in many ways that it’s our world as he restored Anglo Saxon culture/Mythologies and folklore, and their languages too alongside Irish, Welsh and Finnish mythologies too. Especially Norwegian(of which I am) This is what Amazon (the show that shall not be named) didn’t deliver either [[AKA the actual story which inspired everything we love into existence with games and movies and books and so forth. Skyrim, elder scrolls, oblivion, Diablo, and world of Warcraft and D&D. And Game Of Thrones was hugely inspired by Tolkien… yet as the godfather of everything and the heart of what caused many peoples lives to be saved cannot get the justice it deserves for adaptations? People literally conquered cancer because of the books and the trilogy, the books were read to their children for years. All 25 of them. The man was a hugely respected scholar and professor in the world. Translated ancient artifacts and hieroglyphs and petroglyphs and so forth for the government etc. (JRR Tolkien even rejected being recruited into the CIA several times & he wrote everyone by letter and referenced the dudes who came to him as “little boys who knew not what they got themselves into” which showed his fearlessness.). The readers of the trilogy that came out are who he writes back to despite always replying to everyone back and forth. Many people have shared the stories regarding these conversations which were past down throughout the family lines of the people who had a personal relationship with Tolkien which was hundreds of people when he was alive. Thousands. (Some are in video format too or happened to be shared later on in the video or comes up during a video about him and his work. Especially nowadays when many of us came out of the woodwork to defend professor Tolkiens legacy from amazons money grubbing hands and so forth. Giving many channels a new lease on life where some make Tolkien related content now amongst other things they create content wise.
Isildur NEVER succumbs to the ring, he instead spends his time being a fair ruler who practically gave power away to the people INSTEAD of being power hungry. He comes to realize that he is not powerful enough to truly bend the ring to his will. That it will eventually overcome him. Isildur resolves to give the ring to Elrond but is killed on the way to Rivendel. It's a tragic story of a man that tries to right his wrong but ultimately fails. In the books isildur literally repented and was about to bring the ring to Rivendell and apologize as he recognized it was beyond him even for a great numenorean connected to the faithful line of the mighty Elendil I preface the prologue & war, other depictions I LOVE, captured the themes WELL, the vibe of the whole trilogy! The significance of the duel between Elendil & Sauron was Nerffed; (He wasn’t some random old bloke in armour getting smacked around) This man was MIGHTY and gleaming with power! * He and Gil-Galad; last true Elven King battled Sauron and slayed Sauron’s physical body and both died in the process. GilGalad was held high by the face for all free peoples to see as he then incinerated his bodily form to a crisp of ash! Isildur was part of the fight too but not as prominently and he just comes up to the body to cut the ring finger off and…. So one example is how easily Sauron is killed in the intro. * • He's set up as this super powered badass, but all you have to do is cut off his finger? That's not how it went down in the book, where the greatest man-king and the greatest elven-king had to double-team Sauron to strike down his body, but were killed in the effort (Isildur then cuts the ring from the corpse). Especially for elves the title of king has many meanings & by the Third Age there isn’t a population large enough to even attempt to such a thing as creating a unified kingdom, which would put a target on their backs, let alone many of them are beyond all of that anyway as it’s seen as doing more harm than anything good. * They also seen what happened when the elves fell upon the swords of their own hubris and passion no matter if it was for the right reasons some of the time. That it always ended up in some sort of tragedy which sometimes even damaged the earth itself. They had long known about what’s called the Long Defeat as ever since Morgoth’s marring of the land itself; pouring his remnants into it that caused the “magic” to slowly drain away from the land itself, which is sad because for ages several clans of elves were born there. even the greatest ancestors were “born” in middle earth awakening to the stars ! Many of who are left have accepted the next phase of their life which is to become councillors, healers and loremasters to those with the heart to listen and the desire to learn. But above all the guardians and custodians of several things and the world itself for as long as they can remain!❤ The elves “exist” as long as the world does. And Tolkien made it obvious in many ways that it’s our world as he restored Anglo Saxon culture/Mythologies and folklore, and their languages too alongside Irish, Welsh and Finnish mythologies too. Especially Norwegian(of which I am) This is what Amazon (the show that shall not be named) didn’t deliver either [[AKA the actual story which inspired everything we love into existence with games and movies and books and so forth. Skyrim, elder scrolls, oblivion, Diablo, and world of Warcraft and D&D. And Game Of Thrones was hugely inspired by Tolkien… yet as the godfather of everything and the heart of what caused many peoples lives to be saved cannot get the justice it deserves for adaptations? People literally conquered cancer because of the books and the trilogy, the books were read to their children for years. All 25 of them. The man was a hugely respected scholar and professor in the world. Translated ancient artifacts and hieroglyphs and petroglyphs and so forth for the government etc. (JRR Tolkien even rejected being recruited into the CIA several times & he wrote everyone by letter and referenced the dudes who came to him as “little boys who knew not what they got themselves into” which showed his fearlessness.). The readers of the trilogy that came out are who he writes back to despite always replying to everyone back and forth. Many people have shared the stories regarding these conversations which were past down throughout the family lines of the people who had a personal relationship with Tolkien which was hundreds of people when he was alive. Thousands. (Some are in video format too or happened to be shared later on in the video or comes up during a video about him and his work. Especially nowadays when many of us came out of the woodwork to defend professor Tolkiens legacy from amazons money grubbing hands and so forth. Giving many channels a new lease on life where some make Tolkien related content now amongst other things they create content wise.
Goddess...did you actually take a breath? You're babbling without a period or comma. As interesting as it all was, I stopped listening after 50 percent.
That's a very good point! It's rare to hear someone challenge the beliefs of die-hard LoTR fans so convincingly, and I'm glad your channel found itself in my recommended list. Keep it up :)
@@immortaljanus your screen name is cool. I see it four ways: I’m Mort Alj’ Anus - a 13 year old Jewish Arab. Immortal Janus - A Roman god described. I’m mortal Janus - the same “god” but admitting he isn’t a god. I’m “mortaljan” us - I don’t know the verb “to mortaljan” but I assume the j is pronounced like a y. Maybe making us all mortal?
When I first saw this scene, I thought how Tolkien might write it, had he planned such a meeting: Galadriel would tell Sauron that if he wanted to be forgiven, then to submit to the will of the Valar and the judgement of Manwe, for she did not have it in her power to pardon him. Sauron's actual encounter (to the extent that he ever sought forgiveness, which was questionable, even to Tolkien) was with the herald of Manwe, not Galadriel. The account goes that Sauron was ashamed upon being told what he must do by the herald, and then fled, refusing to seek pardon. I wonder why the writers of Rings of Power strayed from this? It suggests a change in the character of Sauron...?
Tolkien knew Sauron had zero interest in Galadriel. She had zero value for his plans. "If", he had any, he would have appeared as a charming, radiant elf, not as a stinky, detestable human. This Galadriel, specifically, hates humans.
They have completely messed−up the timeline. Ar-Pharazôn and his cousin sister Tar-Míriel existed almost 1700 years after the forging of the rings. Tar-Míriel {whose name would later be changed into Ar-Zimraphel by her cousin brother i·e· the usurper Ar-Pharazôn} sort of characters/persons belonged to a timeline that came 1700 years ~ 1800 years after the forging of the Rings of Power. Míriel lived and breathed at a juncture which was 1•7 millennia ~ 1•8 millennia after the forging of the rings. The forging of the Rings occurred 17 centuries ~ 18 centuries before TarᅳMíriel's times. That event (i∙e∙ forging of the Rings) clearly preceded the birth and Life and times of Míriel by nearly 1½ millennia ~ 2 millennia. Míriel was nearly 18 centuries or 17 centuries after that event viz∙ (namely) forging of the rings. Her life and times (her birth and her entire Life Story and everything) was nearly 20 centuries after that event. It was preposterous on the part of the Show to have depicted her and her cousin Pharazôn in the same time−period as the forging of the three Elven rings named as Narya and Nenya and Vilya.
i also watch similar of this video on Tolkien Untangled yt about misconception about the characters of gimli and legolas.. but tho both versions are more or less different, i still enjoy in movie.. but yeah. i agree with your assessment bud.
This is very well written and executed. I hope you are proud of your work. Being an old timer in the world of JRRT this was not news to me, but it was presented in a thought provoking manor. So, one more subscriber. Congratulations.
Yes I should have extended my explanation because its basically the next chapter (when i was making the video that all continous section was on my mind) I removed that part from the video now so its not misleading! THANK YOU! FOR FRODO!!
I laugh a bit when narrator said Tolkien did not registered legolas's birth🤭🤭 aha don't mind me.. let's watch again🤗 edit, me too, i always believed Legolas and arwen are more or less same age... P.s i love your lastwords. that we like or subs not for you but for frodo!! clever words narrator👍
so sauron was a good guy? he could have changed? he wanted to change? and galadriel was so mad she didn't want to even consider it? interesting.. they could have gone somewhere with this story, if galadriel said yes, then they could have showed us a love story at the start, and then maybe a twist later where he betrays her, or she can't get over his past etc would have been better then the show
Good analysis. I like your vids. A piece of friendly advice..try to talk a little slower and breath once in a while. 🙂 some part you tell really hastily and then it’s not so comfortable to listen.
Agree. Very good Video👍 But i had to get the subtitles on, to follow. It's not (only) the "fast" narration, but more over the pronounciation of the english Language. No Offense, please! 🤝 🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀