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Great, brilliant, insightful video. I missed though the mention of the key point: the origin of the shame and self-deprecation of the S4, that is: parents brutal invalidation. If you don't mention the cause people can't understand where it all comes from.
What is super frustrating as a 2 is when we finally open up and grieve the trauma it just keeps pouring out and we can’t trust the people around us with our feelings.
So if the wings can be compared to legs, push and pull to oversimplify, perhaps the growth paths can be compared to arms, extend and retract again oversimplifying.
Uranio, I heard you say that the instincts are insatiable. I was just thinking the other day that the intelligence centers are insatiable. Or maybe that they're the centers of bigotry, and those centers don't naturally balance themselves out. Ie. Liberal snobbishness around the head vs redneck/conservative snobbishness around the gut. Not sure if that's the same thing, but yeah.
I'm a social 4 and of course I'm always sad and crying. In fact this is my job. When as a kid my teachers asked what we students wanted to do when we grew up everyone said things such as soccer player, fireman, etc, but I said "sad and cry". "I'll be sad and a professional crybaby", in short, a perfect "good-for-nothing". Everyone laughed at me but I didn't see why it was so funny, and no wonder because as everyone on the enneagram knows, social 4s we have no sense of humor at all. Remember: sadness, crying and complaining, and that's it. Fortunately, though, I've read and heard repeatedly that there are no better or worse enneatypes and subtypes in the enneagram, and that's a great relief for me. And let me tell you one more thing. When I wake up in the morning every day my first thought is "God, give me one more reason to cry, please". And I pray for it even though I'm an atheist, can you imagine? Lately, I've come to the point of being broke. I don't earn enough money to buy handkerchieves. Well, I leave you. I must plan out my suicide. It's the only thing that today is making me happy. Tomorrow I'll see.
Fun engaging discussion. Love how down to Earth you guys are when talking about something that can often be so mysterious and etheral as the enneagram. You guys are hidden gems. 🌞♥️
It’s interesting how Uranio’s examples are usually more about how the types are motivated by others around them (more external) and Beatrice examples are more internal. Maybe that has to do with the social vs self pres lens?
My super friendly social 9 father, along with his not so friendly but perfect and righteous wife 1 whom he blindly adored, both made a great team to completely reject and abandon me and my brother as kids. Fortunately, everyone thinks they're nice and lovely, though, and this comforts me a lot. For the rest, great video as usual.
I hate it when people try to get intimate with me.Let alone letting them in,i get overwhelmed if i sense it.Then i feel regrate and guilt for pushing them or avoiding them
With reference to Uranio's observations of being comfortable on stage as a SO5, I feel that has more to do with the instinctual sequence. As a SO5 with a SX repressed, I find sometimes find stage performances anxiety-inducing when confronted with the possibility of that actually happening. 'Thinking' about it and fantasizing about my stage performance is super pleasurable. Repeat performances after that first-time-anxiety has passed I find myself in my element with no fear of the audience at all. I suspect my SP instinct has a part to play in this. For SP repressed people, what Uranio says may very well hold true.
I’ve absolutely loved this series, and in particular how you’ve touched on subjects other enneagram teachers are afraid to talk about. A very direct, honest, and refreshing take on the enneagram that my angels have been preparing me for several years to now hear. I want to learn more from you.
This is my all time favourite video on the concept of the enneagram; as a psychological and spiritual system, and it really speaks to my soul on so many levels. Thank you, Uranio.
great interview, so awesome to learn about how sexual 4s actually are! i’m a male self preservation 2 and would absolutely love to see maybe an older and developed guy for the self pres 2 interview? the 2 is often incorrectly stereotyped as being mainly a “woman type” due to strong emotions and caring for others and seductiveness etc which is ridiculous. as a male 2, as a child and now as an adult i’ve always felt so different from other guys due to those traits so it’d be awesome to see how a self-pres 2 male who’s “grown up” looks like. just wanted to put that out there! either way, great video and thanks!
Abdula you seem like a 9 that has been. brain washed by the ill society. You apologize too much. Remember what Gandhi said : it is not good to be adapted to a sick society.
At times the Sexual 4 and the Sexual 1 are indistinguishable , at least from their manifest behavior as explosive anger is most easily visible in both. Both can be sarcastic and biting. It takes a while to understand the motivations of the expressed anger. But still, its tricky to tell the difference easily.
I feel like we could generalize common traits that self press firsts would have. For instance, I am a self pres 6. For survival, I focus on my health and I am aware of my body and workout alot. Is this a distortion of my 6 ego? Or is it just a self pres thing in general? Thats really my question. Therr are other things that I do to survive that I can see would be a distortion of my self pres instinct, for instance the desire to form aliances and colaborations. I also seek confirmations from others around me because I don't trust myself.
I feel like I have both distortions of the self pres instinct, and undistorted, or raw aspects of self pres if you will. Can they not both exist at the same time. I feel like you guys are saying the opposite.
I don't understand why certain aspects of the sexual instinct is neglected by you guys. People with a dominant sexual instinct, and to a lesser degree those with it in their 2nd spot, are generally more focused on sexual attraction. Am I sexually attractive by a mate? And they are generally more pulled to the attractive energy in a room and exude attractive energy. The other aspects of those with a 1st and 2nd sexual instinct in their "sequence" are they are more adventurous, and they have a desire to really merge with their mate. It's not really about have one to one connections with people but more about procreation with a mate. That's why it's called the sexual instinct.
Second video by Paes I've heard and the information is excellent but both videos are recorded in less than optimal spaces and he's soft spoken IMHO, so a challenge to hear.
One of the things I remember Uranio saying in the Social-repressed video is that SO-repressed 9s are arguably the most mistyped people in the Enneagram simply because they don't really fit a lot of the stereotypes associated with Type 9, and in many ways they really can look more like 4s/5s/6s. As a 9w1 SP/SX who mistyped as a 4 for literally years, I can confirm.
Hi, I have a question/idea… Might it be possible that the instincts are correlated with the Ayurvedic doshas? I was imagining, possibly, self-preservation might relate to kapha, social might relate to vata, and sexual might relate to pitta. Might be totally wrong, but the 3 and 3 basic types, I wondered if they relate to each other.
It's odd, self pres 3 and 7 are HILARIOUS and exactly me, memories and body memories, things my mom could tell you about. But I'm a 9? It felt like I'm half seeing something partially hidden when I heard 9, hard to explain.
