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Dude, I feel your pain, but this is more painful for those who were playing before CVs existed (I'm not quite 4 years for me). I don't like CVs or Subs and don't play them (though I played them enough to grind them out and learn how to play them). BUT, just an alternative point of view: Win rates and dmg. on subs and CVs are not crazy high. Except for some premiums (and surface ship prems have the same issue), they are in the ball park - some high, some low. One of the biggest problem with subs was "shotgunning", which WG denied for years, but eventually fixed (at least partially). I'm still hopeful the new changes will make the CV problem a little better, too.
Its a gameplay consequence of having the attack squadron of 8 planes lets say being divided into 4 groups of 2. Since the "attacking" animation of the 2 is live, the damage stops being done on the other planes cause you arent "Controlling" them at that time and the camera is switching to the other planes passing by. The way to solve this is to make the whole squadron of 8 planes attack at same time which will multiply the damage being done by however many groups it would have been. Is that what you want? At least with the smaller groups, you only deal with a smaller hit and the planes will have to make another pass at you being in the AA area. You complain the carrier cant be seen or shot if its in the corner of the map, the same goes for DD. If an enemy destroyer is capping a base and no other ships are near it and you have your carrier, they smoke and hide in the big cloud for over 2 minutes and win and the carrier can't do anything to reset you unless they get lucky and randomly hit you in the cloud. Im a battleship player so dont make it seem like I am biased to CV or whatever. I play all classes but I am a BB at heart. Is it fair that DD can stay invisible and torp wall a BB player and they cant do anything about it? Every class can be hard countered by another class. I see enemy DD players snapping all the time when I play my CV cause I keep them spotted for my team to blast them. Do you want CV to go back to what they were originally with RTS where they could control all their planes at same time, where the whole plane squad drops all their weapons at once and could kill a T10 battleship in 10 seconds?
One of the best ways to judge which are the most annoying dds in the game at the moment is to watch KOTs matches (currently happening now) and see which dds the teams play and which they ban. All of the dds you mentioned are currently in play (or banned). Good confirmation on your picks.
Is it an invincibility period or the traverse time of your AA guns not being able to keep up with the speed of the air craft? I agree with some of what you are saying here as you are a far greater player then I am, however, I did notice that you had pushed up farther then your team mates could support you. There are ships out there designed for increased AA support. Why not utilize your other team mates and what they are designed to do? I agree with what you are saying about sub's, that stuff needs to be worked on LOL.
OK but how much damage did the CV do and how much damage did the ships do to you? And you didn't even use your heal "when you should have", Then while having no HP you "man up" and decide not to smoke up... So you die for your own fault(s) and then get angry about it. Just saying what I see here. You must play differently when CVs are in the game... Adapt or die! This was a very poor example and was obviously hand-picked (in error I might add). You got taken out by radar and ship to ship volleys and only "finished off" by the CV. Do I agree that CVs are OP? """Yes I do""" but suggesting that they should be banned is preposterous especially in using this match as your proof of reason. You effed up in this match! Sorry... you did! You got your ass radared in smoke in open water and in a CV match. I sink a hella lot of CVs (and subs), I've learned how to dodge, and you say I can't? I alter my playstyle in CV matches just as I do when facing pure (feared) gun boats, just as I do in heavy radar matches, just as I do against subs just as I do on varying maps. You took exactly 4,726 damage from the CV AND you positioned exactly broadside to a horizontal drop... You absolutely gave yourself to him on a silver platter with a waiter to boot. Look I agree that CVs have become OP... I agree and I'm frustrated about it too! BUT I have no sympathy for you in dying like you did here. Your fault! No I'm not a CV main... Not even close! 3500 games in Oland of which kicks CVs asses (partly why I love it SOOO much but there's more to it than just that) Fletcher does well Benson does well, Daring does well Halland of course does well, Probably Gearing does well (been awhile). Oland kicks ass, not because it shoots down all that many aircraft but because "it dodges very-very well". Oland is not as good as it used to be as I used to be able to protect my teammates by shooting down aircraft and now can only protect myself by dodging BUT show me an unprotected CV and I'll show you barnacles growing on a flight deck and there's nothing that the CV player can do to stop me. Teach that instead of helplessness! Sorry dude you said that you're military, so I gave it to you straight out and straight up. Subs should be removed... that I'll agree with! Cheers: Robert
Yeah, welcome to world of warplanes. Either Wargaming will actually rework planes to make it balanced or the game will die, most likely second option in my opinion.
WG put counters to CV and subs . We are all sitting ducks helpless to them.. as a bb u cant counter a sub who is more faster than you and more maneuverable than you underwater and u cant even see them. This is bS
How about if they leave the invincibility period in for aircraft, but to make it fair, the ship they are attacking also gets an invincibility period for 1 minute starting when the attack planes period starts. So attacking planes cannot do damage. It's only fair.
Another thing they could do to make CVs actually fair, would be to add a satellite guided missile cruiser with super long range missiles that can insta kill the CV 10 seconds into the game.
The problem with CVs in a nutshell, and most of the time for subs also, is: That they are freecasting classes. Which should never happen in a PvP game. They do damage, when they cannot get damaged in return. They have to be removed. Or changed so that they have to be vulnerable in order to shoot. Like if the planes have only a 10k range and whenever the planes are in the air the CV should be spotted, and it shouldn't be able to hide behind islands when it is spotted.
The sub fix is easy. Make it realistic. If a sub is hit with a depth charge it is game over for the sub. It is out of the fight with a flood or fire so to make it realistic they could have subs have almost no health because they are by far the most vulnerable system if they are found and attacked. Sub warfare is all about stealth so they could increase the stealth play while lowering the health so if the sub player makes one mistake they are done in the match. The CV fix is a little different. They have to slow down how fast a squad of planes can get up in the air and the number of aircraft on the plane. Even modern aircraft carriers can only carry 60-70 planes total. Limit the number of planes the CV has and increase the time a squad can take off. When the CV runs out of planes they are penalized with a much longer time to launch planes. Bottom line is that WG has to do something because they are killing this game and that is a shame.
Now that submarine comment is bullshit. Your average Joe can’t play a submarine and do well, they actually do take skill and my god they are stressful. Carriers i understand though they’re easy af
They are making cv's stronger instead of nerfing them. the game was a lot better before cv's. It's going to get a lot worse because they are going to reverse the invincibility on planes. you won't be able to shoot them till they are attacking.
Ripper, what a great vid showing the state of WoWs. One would hope WG would look at player videos on RU-vid and all other social median, and gather feedback, but alas, you are literally barking up the wrong tree. However, continue to do what you do and maybe the player base may pass this along to WG.
WOWA sucks... didn't used to be this way. I haven't played in over 120 days, I started back in 2018, 4300 games, average battle damage 91k. I 'm done, it's just too frustrating to keep up with all the bullshit that are doing.
WG don't wanna hear it. I think they're gambling that they can suffer losing players by attracting new ones. I have no other explanation for what they've been doing, and I've spent a lot of time thinking about this. All the losers are attracted to the sky cancer and the underwater cancer because these classes are in permanent cheat mode - and it's still not enough to compensate for the lack of skills so they have to buff them even more.
You have a point here, the implementations of carriers and subs are obviously defying physics. E.g. why do the pings of subs travel at different speeds? Do the speed of sound in the water suddenly change? When you have tactical squadrons you don't care about losing planes anymore. When they mess up the cv rework, that will be my time to stop playing and spending money on this game.
i would have talked about the ragnar, it's one of my favs but WG nerfed it somehow, it's not the same, it's easy to hit by good aiming, no smoke, no torps, bug hull, it used to be OP in the development stages, but too many people complained and it's what we got now haha, at least gdansk has smoke
@@RIPPERDD uh it's still pretty tanky and busted .. yeh sure its only good at one role and that's spamming HE in a kiting position but it has utility...if u can make a comparison vid between Khana and Ragnar it would be pretty fun to watch but your choice so GGs
it's easy to hit now a days, got nerfed somehow, not the same ship when it first came out, no smoke, big hull, i still like it, i play it a lot on my channel, but yeah it's not like when it was in development
Nice video! Enjoyed watching all of it. But I think you answered your own question in the video. Relying on cruiser players to protect BB from annoying, nimble DDs is gonna lead to passive gameplay. What else can BB players do against these annoying DDs. Pushing is not the answer. I don't blame these BBs for staying in the back of the map. I was in. Felix Schultz yesterday and even it could handle a skilled Marceau player, these BB players would be much worse off.
Thank you! yeah that's why i think the game devs need a brain storming overhaul because they're shooting themselves in the foot, they are a business at the end of the day and just like our world society wants to improve things to keep the customer base but in doing so they are introducing technology that will eventually nerf the game
Hey Ripper DD! Great vid, thanks for sharing your input. I'm going to buy a coal ship and I enjoyed your tips. I was thinking of Jager but I see that torpedo boats struggle lately. Maybe Hayate? I also saw your DD analysis but I struggle a lot with pure gun boats. They are too fast for me, to much of a Counter Strike play when you have to be sharp all the time. I have Groningen and I'm not doing well :). I enjoy Tromp, but as we all know, he is special. Thanks for your work! It's GREEEEEEAT.
yeah hayate is a good overall destroyer for torps and guns, i would pick that for that type of play style, the jager would be fun if you just want to go around torping everybody like a sub, (ugh) not my style for enjoyment but i leave it up to you Thank you!
I am not a DD main, I play mostly CL's and so maybe it's not a surprise that Khaba with UU is the easiest DD to play for me. Next coupon I am getting Ragnar, and I am very interested what you think about that one. I love Marceau but I am not great at open water gunboating her. Fortunately the floaty shells allow for island hugging play as well.
Ragnar has very flat arcs and has I think the best dd dispersion so if u miss in the Ragnar then it's on u..Ragnar has very nice armour which will bounce off and shatter many incoming HE shells and it's fast as hell it has a super speed boost,heal and radar..in Ragnar u do nothing but sit booty in and HE spam the hell out of anyone looking your way...Ragnar does not have torps though but that doesn't really affect it in any way as long as u r at range and kiting ...yep that's it's main role which is kiting other than that if dds take fights with Ragnar they will suffer hard..yes it has medicore conceal but it has 7.5km radar cause of that so dds trying to sneak attack u will suffer..sorry for the long comment
Ragnar is still great IMO, it's one of my favs but WG nerfed it somehow, it's not the same, it's easy to hit by good aiming, no smoke, no torps, bug hull, it used to be OP in the development stages, but too many people complained and it's what we got now haha, at least gdansk has smoke
amazing gameplay! I started playing DDs much better thanks to your vids & explanations. If I only watched this video a month ago lol ))) wasted my steel & coupon on Ragnar & I can't play it to save my own life
As a dd main my self I would pick the khaba any day, hated that ship early days when it came out, and it’s stil annoying to fight against, Gdańsk is trash that my opinion I deleted so many of them it’s kinda funny since it has radar and smoke
The radar is basically useless in the hands of most players and it has that because it has such a high conceal even higher than the kleber I think and has bad turret angles..even for unicums it's very hard to make use of.
@@MartialEmperor6344 not only bad angles but also so slow as f, Gdańsk is not great khaba I have that dd as long as I can remember I had it when it whas a tech tree dd, kleber I never played it I don’t like the reload the marceau on the other hand I pretty strong tho, but it has no heal unfortunately
Marcuau has very high speed and french saturation though ..Gdansk is not slow it's clunky and big it turns slowly and the turning circle is bad and it takes huge damage from everything..it's actually a Mogador having a radar and smoke but losing everything for them@@crossbow_v3nom
@@crossbow_v3nom Gdansk isnt that slow (5th fastest at t10), but it is definitely sluggish and clumsy for a destroyer (slow acceleration and large turning radius). I always build it hybrid (since it has better torps than halland) and I dont have much issues with it, probably because im used to slower destroyers with a lot less options for disengage
I traded for this ship and like it for its torps but its guns are slow. Has great concealment and those 85 knot torps are fantastic! It is a good cap contested too, at times when there aren’t any radars. Thanks for the video Ripper! I did thd same thing trading a CV for it for the same reasons. o7
Good choices! I’ve really enjoyed the Hayate , got it right after the buff! Very nice with torp reload and smoke. And the AP is good on it. Took out a couple BB’s with the guns. Also have enjoyed your videos! o7 Ripper! The ship is available in the Armory!
Hey Ripper I got a question for you. Just had a ranked game and caught a BB sailing broadside into the cap I just got. Fired off two racks of Mahan torps and I seen him take 3 torps to his broadside. Watched them hit and he never changed course and he took 0 damage. I called him out as soon as I seen it in chat and he responded "Sorry my English is bad" and died a few minutes later to a friendly BB because he never changed speed or course and got hit with multiple cits (like he panicked and was trying to get out of the game quick). He left as soon as he died and now can't find him. I took a screenshot of his player profile. What kind of cheat is that person running and how is it getting past the WG'ing anti-cheat safeguards? You ever run into something like that?
wow holy cow i haven't seen that, post that screehshot i'd like to see it, i'm no programmer so i don't know what the kids are doing these days to game the system. but you know what it is what it is and we can't do anything about it since we don't own it, all we can do is control what we can control, just like in life, Thank you!
Question - I have Gearing, Halland, and Marceau in Tier X. For my next DD, would you get another Tier X (like a Sherman) or would you get the Jager? Thanks
