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5:03 Surprised it's still making this mistake. This happened to me on every single build until v12, and it now exits the lane after ~50 feet. Can't wait until the software reliably turns into the first travel lane (when clear) instead.
Please consider having your cameras display on the screen rather than the map. Much more info for us viewers about how close to kerb, cars following etc that way. Thanks for sharing your drives.
what settings do use? i do assertive w minimal lane changes… that is perfect for me.. the draggy right turn that i get is a better acceptable to me w that setting… Never had a car behind me honk because FSD was too slow… speed bump there looks like a a dark road patch… our in our area is the typical speed bump and FSD slows down for it. overall your driving style feels to have impatience or stress to it… im usually at or a bit lower than speed limit and if other drivers are impatient, they can go to passing lane - i let FSD let me chill like a passenger - i avoid being a backseat driver … my wife hates it when i do that… to each is own
Still seeing late deceleration for stopping and situations forcing full regen and friction brakes. 0:40 late deceleration for stop sign 1:51 late deceleration for light Also not fully getting in the dedicated left turn lane and instead splitting the 2 lanes is not good.
This is wonderful! Mr. Locke is testing every new version of FSD on the same loop. A very easy drive for a human, but FSD v12.3.5 is having trouble: 1:11 Slow, draggy right turn 2:25 Another slow right turn 3:27 FSD is going very slow and draggy 3:41 FSD *ignores* the speed bump! 4:27 FSD *ignores* the speed bump, again 4:45 FSD *ignores* the speed bump for a third time 5:00 FSD enters and travels in suicide lane. Human intervenes.
Most annoying part of v12 is its behavior when approaching solid white lines for turning lanes. That little back and forth stuff it does needs to be addressed 😅
Are you in a HW4 vehicle? I ask because I see this in my HW4 MYP, but not in my wifes HW3 model3. Her cars simple drives in FSD better than mine does. I don't much care for next pooint release. I want a release trained specifically for HW4.
Yes I get the same with HW4. Very annoying and sometimes it misses the solid line during this Indecisive period and won’t cross solid - missing the turn.
@@johnfurr6060 I’m on the same as hers (model 3 HW3). It also seems to not like getting into solid yellow turn lanes (I believe this is called the suicide lane). I have this turning lane by my home that it refuses to turn into lol…I’m sure it’ll get resolved eventually.
@@Michael-ul7kv The latest v12.3.5 beta software is awful, on any mildly challenging route. Humans have years of experience driving, and advanced human brain.
@@DerekDavis213 You are focusing only on the mistakes FSD makes. It doesnt handle all situations better, but it will never get distracted. It wont ever give into road rage, it wont make moves that are risky just to save a few seconds. I would trust FSD more than drunk drivers, and more than unsafe drivers. That is very far from "awful."
@DerekDavis213 Yeah, if they're huge speed bumps. Humps are not there to make you slow to crawl. It's not like a parking lot where 5 mph is the limit. Humps can easily be driven over at 12 to 15.
@@MrNiceGuy485 I have seen large speed bumps in residential neighborhoods. 15 mph is too fast! And the FSD software often goes over the bumps without slowing down at all! Not good.
Safe yes, but if it's annoying to all the human drivers people are going to push back. the cars need to be more efficient at intersections. Check, if clear, GO. Also it needs to keep speed better. 12.3.5 doesn't look much better than 12.3.4 for this video. Will be curious to test it in the the North East when we get it.
@@johnfurr6060 I'm referring to the eventuality of Robotaxis only. Whenever I ride Uber, I wished the driver drove differently on part of the drive. It doesn't mean the Uber driver is not capable of providing a taxi service. According to statistics, FSD version 11 was already safer than humans, Waymo and Cruise. It was also faster than Waymo and Cruise. Now, version 12 is better than version 11 and v12 will likely continue improving. Also, the amount of data and training is different for different areas of the country. Hence, you have many videos in San Francisco and California with zero disengagements. They can start Robotaxis in these areas. Then expand when they get more video and training. Maybe they already have enough videos and now that they are not compute constrained anymore, they can speed up the training.
@@ken-mb5cp Very few people are going to be better drivers than you. Most people prefer their own driving style. That's why there are so many backseat drivers. Every time I drive my father, he always tells me to drive differently. Many people turning left, turn onto the suicide lane first, just to get past the traffic coming from the left, to get on the road. Then they change one lane to the right when there is space. Maybe FSD is still bad in doing this, but with more video training, it will likely improve.
It surprising to me too. I have speed bumps where I live too and it never misses them and always slows down to 11 or 17mph. The speed bumps by me though have arrows that lead up to it instead of the words on the street
@@Tech_Circuits It is surprising to everyone. Tesla acts like AI + Neural Networks is a huge game changer. But 90 days after v12 released, still obvious mistakes on the road. Every day.
@@DerekDavis213 you clearly don't understand priority stacks... they're well aware... just not top of list to train on right now. It will come in future versions.
@@thefudfarm _not top of list to train on right now. It will come in future versions_ Hopefully not too far in the future. FSD has been in beta for almost *four* *years* and the latest v12.3.5 is still full of mistakes. AI and Neural networks are not very impressive, yet.
@@DerekDavis213 v12 (end-to-end neural network) has been a huge jump in capability. The other day my car drove me from Alameda to downtown SF with no interventions. Quite large improvement over v11. And now the path forward is much easier because we can get further improvement just by collecting more training data, which is automatic. No need to wrestle with 300k lines of control heuristics.
@@shdmd2118 _FSD drives better than you_ To heck it does! I have 20 years of experience, no major accidents, and I have human brain and eyes that are FAR beyond the simple FSD system. I can drive from LA to New York, no problem. FSD couldn't drive for 2 hours without *human* *intervention* . what a joke
I've had the same experience when making a left it goes into the suicide lane. However after 3-4 second its recognizes this, and switches into the correct lane on the right
That's correct. It just takes some time to change lanes. People think FSD will be personalised to their driving style, it's not. Maybe you like to change lanes immediately, but maybe that is not what the training data indicates
Great work. If you were in a taxi or robotaxi would you get irritated if the guy behind you changed lanes because you weren’t going the speed they expected you to go? You wouldn’t even notice probably if you were sitting in the back seat occupied with your priorities. Same as which route it takes, etc. seems like we want it to behave like we would. Maybe there are other ways. For example why take an UPL across six high speed lanes? Alternative is to do like fedex delivery vehicles and take only right turns in busy areas.
Maybe it's different because I'm just watching a video, but it feels/looks like almost every time you press the accelerator "because the car is going too slow", it's just following the speed of the car ahead of. And just about every time you've pressed the accelerator, the car ends up having to slow down a lot shortly after because of the car ahead.
After 10 years still way off. Advertises as Full Self Driving (but beta, but supervised). A joke. I have binge watched these tesla videos for a few days and all of them have problems. Even in this video, you can feel how nervous the driver is.
@@sung-ryulkim6590 I have also binged watched many FSD videos recently. You are right, interventions in almost all of them, FSD continues to make obvious mistakes. And then the cheerleaders say: FSD is solved! FSD is better than a human Full Autonomy Soon! What a joke.
I’m in the middle here. You are correct it’s not there. But it’s not going away either. We have to admit this is amazing just to think about. Your car driving itself. And they are working on it. Fast forward another few years and we might just have it. It’s not the type of thing you can put back in the box. It’s open now and here to stay. Ford isn’t doing it. Toyota. Nissan. BMW. You name it. I give them credit for blazing the trail. Time will tell. But it’s likely to play out like the horse and buggy did. That car is too hard to maintain. That car has too much maintenance. That car is too expensive. That car can’t pull enough weight. Whatever the reasons were eventual the advancement was relentless.
@@Nono-rh4lr _Ford isn’t doing it. Toyota. Nissan. BMW_ The biggest automakers with 70 years of experience are not doing it (FSD), because they know that it is currently an unsolvable problem. FSD that needs 100 percent human supervision is pointless. And that is what Tesla is toying with right now. And Tesla is way behind schedule. In 2019, Elan Mush said: 1 million robotaxis on the road by 2020. How did that work out?
@@Nono-rh4lr Don't feed the troll. He is complaining everywhere in many vids. He will also be complaining when FSD is officially solved. Then he will say, he doesn't need a car that drives automously and so on.
10:10 : I wonder if FSD 12 has been trained on data where the drivers in the training data habitually cut the cornering curve. Maybe the training data needs to be filtered a bit to remove cases of such corner cutting?
Fsd is still waiting too late to start decelerating forcing it to use full regen and friction brakes to stop, even in chill mode like at 0:40. One of the first versions of V12 seemed slightly better in this regard than every other FSD version the past couple years but it looks like Elon wants the car to drive aggressively in all situations, chill mode on or off.
