Hello Foil Fanatic, Could you give us the specs of your setup with the 1401? I've got the 1401 setup with the 750 Red mast, and just changed the stabilizer from a short Black to a Ultrashort- Black Advanced +, today. This change made a world of difference in launching and ease of pumping. I've got a 460 Stabilizer, and got some crazy high speed with a rapid pump, but wondering about going down in size to reduce drag. Age 59, weight 172 lbs. I Dock foil: Sabfoil Leviathan 1750 ( Super easy, slow turning, slow, little effort) F1 Jam 1900 ( Fast, easy, smooth , perfect setup right out of box, close challenge to 1401) Axis 1310 ( easy lots of front foot pressure, slow) Slingshot infinity 99 (too much energy required for my weight)
Kudos to you getting that small foil going off the dock. You mind some input? I would think you actually don’t need to do such a long runup. It looks like you’re even decelerating a bit again before you jump off the dock. Maybe doing just two or three steps and give it all you got will even better your success?
Thanks! It's kind of like and underwater airplane, utilizing a front wing and rear stabilizer. Super efficient in waves and allows for "pumping" to gain speed and control height above the water 🤙🏼
@@FoilFanatic42 thank you for taking the time to explain that to me, that was very interesting and honest looks like so much fun! Be careful out there on the water.
I weigh 210 lbs. you think the 960 is too small for my weight surfing behind a wake boat and pumping back to 2nd or 3 rd wake? I’ve got the 1180 and love it but want to try something more playful behind the boat. I was thinking maybe the 1030?
The 960 would likely be good for your weight at 210. We have the wave turned down to 3/6 and I surfed the 3rd wake today easily with the 960 and I could probably go for an even smaller wing, but the pumpability of the 960 is probably as small as I'll go due to how well it pumps.
Well done. I'm hanging out for more content on the 960! I just managed dead start with it using the +1 shim on 375p. It's super hard work to get it up high on the mast into the sweet spot. I'm also wondering how a skinny would improve things.
A deadstart on this wing is super impressive, well done! I can't speak for the progressives since I haven't used them, but I've been really hally with the skinny 50. Are you on a high dock for the dead start?
@@FoilFanatic42 probably only about half mast length high. Here is a bad clip of the launch.. basicly throw the board and jump after it with hands on the board, landing in a crouch. Initiating a circle also gives some extra low end. ru-vid.comUgkxJIh032eVVTi5T1ojBYHqeBY1sX_Qs_qQ?si=ieM0fVL-E1dAEgBb
Slingshot setup pos B is for windfoil. You have to put your feets a little bit more forward, but this will increase "springyness" of whole system. So pumping you got used to can be inefficient. Change to A may help. However it is low aspect wing, may be is not good for PnG.
@@FoilFanatic42 I thought it was great. "The water is disgusting... motivation not to fall. Then proceeds to fall in it 20 times. :) You got it though!
Have you had that water checked for health hazards? I get pumping wings you are good at in the creek by your house but for this video I'd have made the drive to the lake!
congrats! looking forward to hear your feedback about duration... currently not sure yet what to keep as 'fun' wing together with the 1401, this will probably push into anaerobic pumping very quickly, but interested to see!
@@FoilFanatic42 currently spitfire 1180 and art pro 1201, which i can still start rather comfortably without running as long as there is a bit of drop. Dont want to keep so many wings and was looking at the 960 but cant take the leap of faith. I'd need to pump it for 1 min + in order to go grab some waves further out. If my heart explodes before that (74kg) then it wont do here :/
@@FoilFanatic42 chatting with Yvon after his last video dropped ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iG8t1Zp1zo4.html -> basically small bumps/waves he took the 1401, big waves then down to the 960... quite impressive
@arco2ch Nice! I haven't tried the 1201. Is it compatible to the 1180? For the 960, I think I can get close to a minute on a good day with less trash in the water for sure.
@@FoilFanatic42 nope - art pro and spitfire feels very different . art pro i dont think is ideal for carving, although with small wingspan is doable. The spitfire rolls much nicer but are a tougher to pump for long, so you want them to play around (short roundtrips) or to reach a wave!
@@FoilFanatic42 thanks! Something the 1180 has in common with the 1150, 1300 is an additional extra degree of angle upwards in the foil. The spitfires 1100 and below (and ART, HPS) don't have as much. I tried adding the +1 shim (comes in the bolt pack) to the rear wing on demo spitfire 1100 and it improved the low end significantly and made it possible to dead start. I have the 960 and great to see you get it going, I was about to give up on it..
@powis-tv8ln Interesting on the angle similarities and differences between the setups. Is there a chart for this? I need to experiment with shims for this reason. Definitely keep trying with the 960, it's a fun wing!
Really? I've heard code foils ride bigger than the number suggest, but 770cm^2 would be insane! If I ever get access to some code gear I'll definitely give it a shot!
@apricotscrub Man that's insane! I've seen that they are like crazy thin wings compared to the market standard. How's do they carve and pump compared to the Spitfire?
@@FoilFanatic42 the S wings are basically like the art axis but way easier to pump and better turning, the R is like +40% more distance per pump vs S, similar stall speed (860r has better stall than 980s), turns worse than s on waves. The smaller R still turn great as they are tiny wings. Personally there are no code wings I'm doing over 2 minutes on, every run is probably one minute for me, but distance covered is huge. I'm currently on the 1075, I use it both as a prone foil and dockstart. Get around a minute.
Awesome job! I love my 960 paired with foildrive for flat water efoil carving! At 53 not sure if I’ll be able to dock start the 960.. Again, nice job 🤙😎
Question, does your dock there allow your foil tips to not hit the flotation underneath? I’ve not been able to find a local dock that doesn’t have concrete floats underwater even with the edge of the dock 🤦♂️
@RCKahuna150 So for this dock it's super nice because it's just a floating plastic dock that sits a couple inches in the water. The con is that it's really low. The dock at the lake I use has dock supports that sit decently deep underwater so the foil has to be pretty low, but since it's a high dock I can use gravity to assist the launch. Where do you foil?
I’m in the tricites WA area. There’s like 5 foilers around here and I know 4 counting myself😂 I kinda trail blazing the pump foil thing around here I guess..
You are correct! I sold the wing to another guy on the lake and he bought the advanced fuse I recommend for it. It's going to be great for him to learn how to pump
This setup is the Axis PNG 1150, 460 rear, 75cm mast, and 680mm fuse. This setup changed the game for me when learning to pump. Another thing that helped was getting a smaller and lighter board.
I’ve been learning how to classic foil almost exclusively behind a jetski myself and have to hold the rope the entire time since the wake is just too small for my weight (190). Goal is to build time on foil and eventually learn to pump to get more into prone/wake stuff.
@@FoilFanatic42 I’m on a 1600 mid-aspect front with a 28” mast. It’s way bigger than what I ride on my Lift eFoil (4’2, 150in front, 32in back), but once I build some time I’m probably going to downsize. What are your thoughts on how to progress with pumping? Do you need a high aspect wing or can you pump larger mid-aspects used for beginners learning?
@schulzaboy77 You could probably learn on a large mid aspect, but in my experience it is fairly difficult. A high aspect wing made learning to pump night and day easier for me. Also a consistent way to get up. That could be a dock launcher or getting pulled up by something or someone.
I watched both videos and I am new to the sport but I have the Fpump and the documentation shows the rear stabilizer should be on the same side as the set up for the axis. Why do you use it like this? The manual even states to use as pump use position b so I am really confused.
Do you have the rear 48 or rear 42? If I were to use position B, the lift is too high to run off the dock without stalling. It could be achieved being pulled though.
