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Someone, somewhere, on this thread said that the Orthodox do not call themselves "Catholic". This is not true. They do refer to themselves as Catholic. If you want a standard reference work written by Orthodox scholars, I would refer you to Τα δογματικά και συμβολικά μνημεία της ορθοδόξου καθολική εκκλησίας. The nitpicking about small c and large c does nobody any good, just creates more unnecessary division. There are good Christians everywhere in spite of differences in theological interpretations of the texts. To further muddy the waters, those early Christians would separate themselves from the many heretical sects of the time by proclaiming that they were Catholics, and not one of the various sects that sprung up. Think of all the various and contrary opinions expressed on this site. They all can't be right. Somebody must be wrong.
Catholics are not all roman, the byzantine and formerly celtic rites are all part of the same catholic church. The term Roman Catholic only refers to the Roman rite of Catholicism. Lutherans are not part of that as they all afirm certain catholic doctrine that Luther disagreed with like the Pope, purgatory. praying to saints and more. But while I wouldnt say Lutherans are Catholic they have the closest theological beliefs and practices to Catholics out of the protestants ( except angelicans/ episcapals). I would argue that theologically Lutherans and Catholics have more in common than Baptists and Lutherans but the ancient protestant/ catholic rivalry leads most modern lutherans and catholics to assume they are oposite which is unfortunate. As a Catholic I have deep respect for my Lutheran brothers and sisters
The big or small c doesn't count, 8n those days there weren't anything big or small letter as it was meant today The Word CATHOLIC as it was meant and why it was meant is the one as CATHOLIC today believes. I was protestant once, having read the Early Church Fathers and come to understanding without a shred of a doubt THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE ONLY CHURCH ESTABLISHED BY JESUS CHRIST, MY LORD AND SAVIOR ❤❤❤❤❤
Here is the other thing that burns me. You are trying to say Lutherans are Catholics but you deny Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament. How dare you say you have communion like the catholic church when you have grape juice and crackers or whatever you have. What you are doing out of ignorance, or pride is telling Jesus what He can and cant do. Your making a mockery of the gift of the Holy Eucharist. Do you realize that? There have been 1000's Eucharist miracles that have converted people. Reread or read John 6:53. Jesus never said it was a symbol. That is what protestants say. So dont go around saying lutherans are catholics. They are not even close. Read the rest of John 6 to the end. You protestants are the ones that cant believe Jesus is the Holy Eucharist just like the disciples that left Christ. Arrogant.
Your argument doesnt make sense. If you want to be Catholic, join the Catholic Chrurch. What you are doing is playing a word game. Using your logic, Lutherians are Catholic and Catholics are Lutherans. Thats impossible. Besides Lutherans do not have apostolic succession, therefore you ordinations are invalid. Just join the catholic church or leave the catholic church alone. Historians place martin luther in the catagory of Heretic. Read Hillaire Bellocs book the Greath Heresies. All protestant faiths are heresies of the catholic church. Sorry Islam also falls into the category. Padre Pio the great mystic of the Catholic Church, said he saw martin luther burning in hell. You are playing with fire. You have no relationship with God, I can tell by your arguements. Repent and join the catholic church and receive the great gifts of Jesus "The sacraments". They are real. Also if you blaspheme the Blessed Mother, you are doomed. If you insult the Blessed Mother, you insult Jesus. I never could understand why protestants dont get that.
Former Lutheran here. Not only are you not Catholic, you're also missing the Apostolic part, one of the most essential parts and one of the 4 marks of the true church.
Catholics, Google this video..."Full-blown Lucifer worship in the Catholic Vatican," Then you will know beyond any doubt who the real founder of the Catholic church is.
Of course Lutherans aren't Catholic. It's an heretical sect denying several parts of the Catholic Faith as handed down from Our Lord through Scripture and Apostolic Tradition. They are "pick and choose"-ers, aka. heretics. They don't hold the fullness of truth. Catholic means wholistic and their faith isn't whole.
Nope, we say that only God knows a man's soul and is the sole judge, but Jesus told us that every man who believes in Him as Lord and Savior and has a relationship with Him will be saved. We do warn that ritual is often used as a replacement for a relationship with Jesus and that's very dangerous to your salvation. Relying on someone else to handle the spiritual stuff for you can easily preclude you from seeking a relationship with Him, which is a huge part of Catholic culture. Not as sure about Lutherans though.
Hello Father, Read your website. Nice job. What division of the American Lutheran church are you associated with? LCMS, etc etc. What bishop ordained you? Was he (or she - do you believe in woman's ordination?) validly consecrated? What is his Apostolic Succession? By whose authority were you rightfully ordained?
Hi Stephen, thanks for watching and commenting! Our Redeemer Lutheran Church, Ocala, FL is a congregation of The Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod (LCMS). Lcms.org is a great resource for where our church body stands on a whole range issues, including women's ordination. If you would like specific information about my ordination, send me an email through ourredeemerocala.org. I would love to continue the conversation! --Pastor Joseph Signore
Lutherans like all protestants except Angelicans/Episcapalians only use the terms pastor and minister and not father to describe their religious leaders. Yeah I get that can be confusing tho
Hi Robert, I would love to walk with you through your confusion. Would you like to email me through ourredeemerocala.org and continue the conversation? --Pastor Joseph Signore
If you are from a liberal branch of the Lutheran church, I understand your confusion. Lutherans are supposed to be Christians which means everything you believe is stated clearly in scripture. It includes Romans 14 which deals with not being so controlling but loving in issues that are not sin.
@Franjipane-lh8ni 1st Thessalonians 2:15 Last word in verse 14 (JEWS) 15 Who killed our LORD Saviour who persecuted they own prophets and us and are contrary to all men. Seams Bible backs Martian Luther up
Thanks for the suggestion! I don't know when I will actually do my first current events video, but it is the new type of video next on the docket in my mind! Thanks for the encouragement! --Pastor Signore
Well father (i don't know wheter father is right, having had myself a catholic upbreeding😂) 1) you're very gifted for youtube 2) a point of view from a secular Catholic to a Lutheran: Of course you lutherans are catholics - WE as catholics are told the contrary, so the division in the ekklesia is just perceived (mostly because of its temporal consequences at the time). My point is even more radical: im most of its critics Luther WAS right. Unfortunately the Pope didn't agree, and it was a disaster since it sparked the birth of a thousand non denominated self proclaimed "christian churches" since Calvin and on. Now, i write from an estetical point of view, being myself more of a christian son of Spinoza than a son of belief - but, if the Pope attuned with a true faith he would have probably embraced Luther's thesis. He was an absolut genius, and a revolutionary, AND a priest. The only thing I can't agree with is Sola Scriptura, and i repeat it is the point of view of a NON ecclesiastic lover of Christ: if one believes in the gift given to the apostoles and in the church to be the direct incarnation of the spirit on earth, it is clear that Scriptura MUST be mediated, or there would be no need for a church, or even for the gift of Pentecoste.
Thank you for commenting! Thank you for your encouraging words! (I am usually addressed as Pastor, but Father is fine!) You bring up great points. We might be more similar on the topic of Sola Scriptura than you think. In our ordination vows Lutheran pastors confess, "I believe and confess the canonical Scriptures to the inspired Word of God and only infallible rule of faith and practice." That is what Lutherans mean by Sola Scriptura, which is not necessarily the same thing as others who use that term. Scripture alone is infallible, but Scripture is never meant to be "alone." We read, understand, and interpret Scripture within the context, history, and communal life of the "one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church" (Nicene Creed). (And as a confessional Lutheran, one of my ordination promises is to "perform the duties of [my] office in accordance with [the Lutheran Confessions], and that all [my] preaching and teaching and administration of the Sacraments will be in conformity with Holy Scripture and with these Confessions.") We have a high regard for all church traditions that contribute to good order, aid the proclamation of the Gospel, and do not contradict Scripture. Your statement of whether Scripture must be mediated through the Church is fascinating and is really making me think! Well, I'll say this. In many points of theology, Lutherans love paradoxes; we love answering "Both!" to all sorts of questions where others pick one side or the other. (E.g. Is the Bible God's Word or man's word? Is Jesus fully God or fully man? In Holy Communion do we receive bread and wine or Christ's body and blood? Does God predestine those who will be saved or do people choose to reject God?) We try hard to affirm what Scripture teaches--and no more!--to avoid the "extremes" of what necessarily happens when people try to make the faith make more sense to human reason. So regarding Scripture alone or mediation through the church, the best I can say is that Lutherans want to have it both ways! It need not be a simple yes or no. Perhaps the best way to approach this issue is how we teach the "means of grace." Does baptism save or does faith apart from baptism save? Does God forgive us directly when we pray or does he forgive us through the mediation of the church's sacraments--Baptism, Confession, Holy Communion? Both! Yes! (By the way, check out my midweek sermon series on Confession--on 2/21, 2/28, 3/6, 3/13, and 3/20. Well, I hope this helps. Thanks again for watching and commenting! --Pastor Joseph Signore
Well father, yours was articulate too. You see, I was talking about sola Scriptura but indeed i should have said nuda Scriptura, THAT is i feel kind of unreconciliabke with catholics, and of course more Calvinist than Lutheran. If you ask me, as a radical i'd even say that Calvinist promped a scism that created NON christian churches. Here is my point, even less secular than doctrinal. Lutherans ARE catholics, because they ARE born again beyond the baptism. The remaining obstacles are sola fide amd sola gratia, appereantly, but they're merely doctrinal obstacules. A true man god understands the soveraignity of faith on doctrine, but we have to define faith. I make a clear separation between catholics, ortodoxes and lutherans as christians as Calvinists and forth as non christians because of how the first and the latter interpretate Paul's definition, which is quite close to Jesus' one. We have three things as a remainder to christianity: faith, hope, and love. Now love, as stated, is the most important. Why so: because without it faith is nothing but credulity, and works are nothing but rituals, so inherently self serving children of pride fear and guilt, not of the Spirit . That is why love is at the very core of the christian message, and why works are only possible and true in love: because we are gifted with different talents to SERVE, not to believe. This is how i define a christian: as somebody who's born again in that truth that prompts love. I don't care anout salvation, i can't call christian a Calvinist, say, for that creed is a belief, in my opinion, not a faith. The after life does not concern me because when you're honest enough to open your darkest boxes to the spirit and ask for aid, you don't fear death. I'm not a christian in the common sense of the word, and my reason does not allow me to "believe" in the resurrection, or in miracles, but the point is: i don't need to believe to have faith . I FEEL Christ was God, whether he resurrected or not, for his example IS divine.. That's why i possibly understand Paul. They would have burnt me at the stake i guess😂. Have a nice evening father, thanks for answering!
No, Luther and Are NOT catholic and You have broken the Unity of the Church and have abandoned the FAITH. That Said, You Are Christians by Baptism and among the heretics, the less heretical ones.
Yes ; the Vatican ll Novus Ordo Mass is Lutheran Protestant ( NO SACRIFICE ) Yes ; the so call Francis alias Pope is Syncretist ( agenda 2030 ) elected by the Freemasonry Cardinal Mafia of Saint Gallen
Wonderful insight. There need not be a contradiction between Christ holding the keys and his Church, his Bride, holding the keys as well. As Bridegroom, Christ shares all that he has with his Bride. (My wife and I both have the keys to our house and car.) If you haven't watched them already, I think you would appreciate the previous sermons in this series, especially the first two: 2024.02.21 "What is Confession?" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eR4VwrKM9IY.html 2024.02.28 "What Sins Should We Confess?" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IlkKSaoabcY.html --Pastor Signore
Thanks for watching and commenting. We are a congregation of The Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod (LCMS). So no, we are not in line with Roman Catholic teaching. We share some significant similarities, but also have substantial differences.
The "Church" is defined in the Catechism. Every baptized person is in the Catholic Church. The Holy Order is a sacrament that required the laying of hand (laying of hand is just one of the many other requirements for a sacrament to be valid). As Catholic, we don't see others Christain denominations as an opposing force (some of their own individual interpretation might be as heresy as day and night), we believe the Catholic Church has the fullness of faith while other denominations don't. We have 7 valid sacraments, most has two. Faith is passed down and not discovered by chance or by one's effort alone. Faith has been there since the time of Adam and Eve by some small group of people and in favor with God and keep his law, not the way of Cain or of Calvin or any Relativist.
There are two different meanings for catholic depending on it it's used as an adjective or a noun. Catholic used with a small "C" is an adjective as used in the creed. and simply means "universal". Catholic with a capital "C" is used as a noun and refers to the hierarchy of the Catholic church. What I find funny is translating the creed why did they not translate the word "catholic" It should read, " I believe in the Holy Ghost; The Holy universal Church, the Communion of Saints;"
No if you watch this non bias PBS documentary ull understand what all went on at the time. Luther was not trying to break away from the church he want to debate his 95 thesis of indulgences.
@@johnmarquardt1991 Baloney. If you had any idea what the early church taught you would know that was a lie. Further, Luther started a novel religion so there is no way it could be considered "orthodox". He walked out the door. God or bad, he left the Catholic Church which he claimed had failed. He was in complete opposition to Jesus who said that his church would never fail.
@@johnmarquardt1991 I hate no one but I hate falsehoods. You asked: Do you believe that you are totally saved by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ? Me: If I am saved that is how it will occur. But I believe in the Bible and thus I know that I will stand in judgment by God and will learn whether or not I am saved. And I know from Scripture that some people who assumed that they were saved found out that they weren't.
@SweatySamurai99 No he didn't separate himself lmao, wtf are u on about? You guys kicked him out by excommunicating him and attempting to burn him at the stake. The Pope promised Luther would be safe at his trial at the Diet of Worms, but actually he was supposed to be burn at the stake afterwards if he did not recant his beliefs were it not for Frederick III kidnapping and hiding him to keep him safe. You guys burnt Tyndale and Jan Hus at the stake for also calling out the widespread simony the Church had going on, but their followers weren't successful so they continued unchallenged. The vernacular was heresy, but jk in the 1960s they changed their mind, whoops sorry for burning u and thousands of others alive! The Counter Reformation only happened because the Reformation was becoming so widespread and because the Church's corruption was exposed, they needed to do PR to stop Catholics from leaving. If Luther was not successful and had been burnt alive, who knows how long the RCC would continue not caring about its corruption until a reformation that had lots of followers threatened them and their money to build St Peters Basilica
No you're not Catholic marry the mother of Jesus with Jesus appear to Bayside New York for two and a half decades and one of her messages was you cannot call yourself Catholic unless you're under the pope....... Come out of your protesting religion..
Never ever trust any man that smiles constantly and acts so extra. Heed my warning on this. Any man that smiles constantly with that Joel Olstein smile is suspect.
People, please be aware the warnings of the fathers and saints of the early Church regarding the eternal consequences of separatism and heresy. Read Paul, John, Augustine, Gregory, etc. Nobody will find salvation by following a gospel he composed himself. We are not called to compose our own, but rather to accept His. One Lord and one Gospel and all the rest is of man or worse.
Reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. We are not saved by sacraments; we are saved by faith. As one can see the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.
@@sammygomes7381 Sammy, do you not see what you are doing now? You are comparing the teachings of the Church to your personal reading of Scripture. You are not the pillar of truth, Sammy: the Church is, remember? You are not called to follow yourself: we are all called to follow Jesus instead. You as well, Sammy. You are to accept the Gospel: not to run around with your own ideas and opinions. You are to be a Christian: not a Sammian ;) There is only one way to heaven: one Lord and one Gospel and all the rest is manmade gospels that lead to nowhere eternal...
@@pierreschiffer3180 Pretty sure I am comparing the teaching of Christ with the false doctrines of non-Christian churches such as the Catholic teaching. You are correct "there is here is only one way to heaven: one Lord and one Gospel and all the rest is manmade gospels that lead to nowhere eternal", yet people continue to think they can worship Mary, receive Christ by eating them and following the false doctrines of the Catholic church and others.
@@sammygomes7381 Sammy, you are not being honest to me and to yourself. All you have is your personal understanding of Scripture, and to compare this to anything is devoid of any meaning. Do you understand this? Do you admit to the possibility that your understanding of Scripture is false, Sammy?
To be Catholic means to be part of the Catholic Church. That may be the Latin church or any other. Luther exactly separated from the Catholic Church, thus he and his followers are not Catholic, but rather sectarian. Sectarian simply means separated from the larger body of believers. There are many sects of the Catholic Church and the church of Luther is one of them.
I was raised Lutheran but left a long time ago. I'm sure Martin Luther is rolling over in his grave today with how close the Lutherans have moved back to be like the Catholics.
@@uchennanwogu2142 I became a Baptist and am very happy with it. I don't believe in liturgical churches. Paul states in the Bible that Christians should avoid vain and repetitious prayer and IMO that means liturgy as well.
That’s an interesting comment given that Luther prayed the Catholic rosary every single day of his life and was buried with it. He believed in the existence of purgatory until late in his life. Remember, he had been an Augustinian monk and it was Augustine of Hippo who introduced the concept of purgatory. His bible, the Luther Bible, included the apocrypha. He said it was a good thing to read. I am a Lutheran, and the bible we’ve always use exclude it. In the LCMS, each church is different. We are a confessional denomination, and unlike Catholics we don’t believe there anything you can do to gain salvation. It is a gift. Faith alone. Grace alone. Scripture alone. The Catholic Church is similar stool with three legs: tradition, the Magisterium, and scripture. We have no Magisterium and scripture is the bottom line. Some Lutheran congregations, like mine, afford women many leadership roles. Others do not. There are similarities and there are differences among Lutherans. I don’t think my congregation’s services seem very Catholic at all. But I know of others whose practices are much more similar to those of Catholics. You find the same thing among congregations in the Anglican communion.
But... Man, Luther was indeed very close to the catholic creed until his death. He was just a free thinker, and some of his remarks were actually right at the core.
