Thank you so much for this story. I teach foraging classes for kids and adults, and this is a great story about the Thistle. My dad told me I have ancestry from Scotland. From a town called Rose.
You are correct that roses did not originate in England. However, they have become the national flower. The flower has been adopted as England's emblem since the time of the Wars of the Roses - civil wars (1455-1485) between the royal house of Lancaster (whose emblem was a red rose) and the royal house of York (whose emblem was a white rose).
That's interesting, I read it was because they ate it when they were starving and other crops would not grow, but I like the story of the man stepping on the thistle and causing the army to loose the war.
I wish to reach you about my own connection to the Seaventure story through the Henry Payne, Gent. of the Earl of Southampton, who was shot on the beach for his role in a mutiny over the wreck situation. Henry was a member of an East Anglian family with direct ties to both Geoffrey Chaucer personally and by their ownership of the Ellesmere Chaucer, the provenance of which begins with the 1568 will of another Henry Payne, Lord of Nowton and Bailiff at the Manor of Hengrave. Hengrave had been purchased in 1410 by a Robert Payne and his cousin, the MP Edmund Winter. Robert was a son of the Lancastrian retainer John Payn (II) (d. 1402), who was Chief Butler of England under Henry IV. John had close ties with Geoffrey Chaucer from whom he purchased wine for the household. His family also owned a quay on Lower Thames Street (Paynskey) near the Custom House where Chaucer worked. The Chaucer connection continues earlier to Southampton with the family of another John Payne, Mayor of Southampton, descendant of Lawrence Payne who in 1297 was known to have possessed the quay in London that remained connected to the Payne family into 17th-c, as found in the wills of John Payne, Grocer, and his son Thomas Payne, of Fulham, Hammersmith, and Petworth. This family bore the arms found in the Visitations as belonging to Sir Thomas Payne of Market Bosworth whose descendants include Henry Payne of Nowton and Hengrave and his father, William- who had also been Bailiff at Hengrave and was great-grandson of Sir Thomas described in the Visitations. These arms can be seen in my avatar which I claim by right of descent. Please see my Domesday to America Project channel for details as I am attempting to connect with others for help, guidance, support, etc. as I attempt to tell the story of a multi-generational network of families! Thank you for your enjoyable video on this fascinating subject! Finally(!), the family in London had been involved at the Blackfriars theater with Shakespeare and Babbage.
From the 8th to the 15th centuries Vikings and Norse settlers, mainly Norwegians, colonised parts of what is now the periphery of modern Scotland -- mostly Orkney and the northern isles.
The Scottish haven’t always wanted independence. In 2014, 55% voted against independence and 45% voted for it. I believe the main reason is financial- they are able to spend more than they can collect in taxes. The reason it’s worth paying the Scottish a ‘bribe’ is because they harbour the UK’s nuclear submarines because they have docks in the middle of nowhere.
