Rolled my eyes so heavily at the comment of “the 2nd amendment was written with muzzle loaders in mind!” Yeah, and the first was written with the printing press in mind. Does that mean we heavily regulate news sources using electronics?
Love ALL the debate techniques used in this clip. The power of not just using facts but also using emotions and a call to action to REALLY drive the point home. THAT is how debate SHOULD be done. The knowledge of human psychology aka influence and persuasion techniques is just 💯💯💯
I haven't seen the movie, but based on this scene, I would have argued that the right to bare arms is a protection against government tyranny. To protect your freedom from tyrants. Possible with a gun, slightly more difficult with a car or blowfish. So I think the script could have been better, but then it's made by Hollywood. They seem to want tyranny and a dystopian future.
I love how they have to literally paint Conservatives as hand in hand with terrorists to win a rhetorical battle in a movie. There’s no Constitutionally guaranteed right to drive either. Apparently they also need to paint Conservatives as stupid too.
I think what Americans on either side of the issue truly don't understand about guns is that they're a US exclusive infection with no obvious cure. I live in the UK. I've got family all over europe, and some in America. Guess who I'm most afraid of getting the call from? Guns are a pox once they're in the ecosystem: once guns are commonly available in a country, they always will be, legally or otherwise. That means in order to defend yourself, you need a gun. The police need to be constantly armed with guns. Schools need to be on watch for students with stolen guns. Law enforcement have to deal with encounters assuming the subject is concealing a lethal weapon at all times. When I walk down the steet in the UK, at the VERY MOST I am concerned about being held up by a mugger with a knife. But in broad daylight even on the nastiest streets a knife is far oess threatening than a gun ever can be. Guns are part of life in America... and that's a sickening fact, a reason to be ashamed.
I live in a country which has very strict gun laws but looking at the US, I would assume it's best to have gun control but not ban guns. Most important is probably that some guns should be definitely forbidden, like automatic rifles.
I have guns. I believe in the second amendment. Specifically the well regulated part. They should require background checks, training, and a reasonable purpose. Waiting for that before being allowed to purchase is not a big deal - but it would affect crimes of passion. Hell, I think there should be a psychological evaluation too. AND storage requirement. I know for a fact no one can get into my safe. Besides me having the key, I’m the only one who knows the combo. It is always locked. I don’t get why people who do have guns don’t want that. I never need to fear my nephew will shoot himself by finding one. He can’t get to them. (Ammo is in another safe so there’s that too). It’s not even a peace of mind thing it’s just flat out minimum responsibility.
amazing how some 5 years later this scene in a movie it still,,, still a lighting rod for current events. Just in the past month there has been several shooting one at a private religious school by a transgender person, a past student it appears, is cause all kind of outrage on one side with the other still clinging to the 2nd amendment just like the fellow in this scene. my god will they ever learn,, more guns is not the answer.. assault weapon bans do..
Oh boy another completely one sided shower argument played out on stage against an opponent made of straw who immediately shuts down and ceases to offer counterargument once the hero begins to speak loudly and righteously enough, and throw in a bit of cheap emotional manipulation by using people as pawns to push political goals at the end there. More good stuff from Hollywood. I realized a while ago that the reason this type of scene is so common is that Hollywood types are so deep in their own bubble that they don't actually know what the counterargument to their belief is as they have never placed themselves in a situation where they could be exposed to such an idea, and are therefore convinced that they are right and righteous and anyone who disagrees is automatically wrong and just the worst person they've met since their publicist let them off the leash a few minutes before.
Manucharian is an Armenian last name and she clearly didn't look Armenian so I must protest this ... I'm kidding, fuck that. She's gorgeous. She doesn't look Armenian though lol
He’s making an “appeal to tradition” here, whereas she’s making an “appeal to emotion”. No wonder she wins - what does he have in his arsenal that can beat that?
This movie came out 5 year ago, and this was already a hot topic back then. Fast forward 5 years, and we're still on the same place, with the same arguments being made against gun-restrictions, and with a death toll rampaging year after year. It's complete nonsense.
