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To me everything boils down to one thing: people are so used to GOAT era they see anything not that as a disappointment. People are desperate to witness greatness they’ll anoint anyone. It’s a by-product of 24 hr commentary.
at the end, David Law adds, "and Arthur Fils" and rightly so. Fils just downed the Roland Garros finalist Zverev is the latter's hometown in a grinding 3-hour plus match, after beating Djere, then Baez, then Rune - all gifted on clay - just to get to the finals!
Nasty is what they do. They criticise and condemn any player who is not their idol. Mockery and put downs of some of the finest players in the world who have given great service to tennis with their exciting and wonderful game. Add Kyrgios to same generation who is now so seriously injured he has to deal with the grief of not being able to hold a racquet for a year.
The x factor that set the top 3 apart from the og next gen always was going to be mental stamina and the aptitude levels to get through to big finals and win slams. Tsitsipas, Rublev, Zverev and Kyrgios among others have way too many psychological issues and personal baggage that has affected the confidence and focus of ever standing a real chance of challenging for slams. Sinner and Alcaraz have displayed a Novak and Rafa like mental toughness which is setting them apart in leaps and bounds and are filling the void that the top 3 have left.
Fritz & Tiafoe have been HUGE disappointments. They showed promise early but they’ve both peaked at this point and will now start falling down the rankings.
Fritz & Tiafoe have been HUGE disappointments. They showed promise early but they’ve both peaked at this point and will now start falling down the rankings.
Great discussion/ podcast! Danny Med has already had a fantastic career, unlucky not to have more slams and may yet win a few more in NY/Melbourne. Proper warrior and a seriously entertaining character whose interviews are always interesting. Still plenty of time for Zverev if he keeps up last six months, he is close right now. Tsitsipas has gone a bit walkabout recently. Feel like maybe having a time out mid career. Interesting to see what happens in NY. Alcaraz has lost in last two hard court slams to Zverev and Medvedev. Zverev took down Sinner in NY and Medvedev v almost beat Sinner in Melbourne final (lost perhaps partly because he was knackered from 5 sets with Zverev in the semis…in what was one of the best matches this year).
This is imo too harsh and critical of the zverev medvedev thiem de minaur rublev gen : i think your worda are in a way disrespectful to their efforts and their achievements.
thanks for that. Disprespect is a trademark of these guys. To totally write off as has-beens and useless second-rate citizens/athletes is utterly pointless. Imagine them saying that about anyone higher than the top ten in world soccer, world basketball, world golf!!!
She has extremely strong right wing views and if anyone tries to argue with her - wham bang. She will happily go on Women's Hour and misquote everyone in sight to prove her point.
Alcaraz and Sinner are into the stratosphere compared to the next gen players. We should be thankful to have those two coming up right on time to entertain us for the next decade, just after the end of the big 3 era
Zverev has played his best French Open this year and his best Wimbledon, he overcame the no Top 10 player stigma there in the last couple of years and he's the most consistent of the lot apart from Daniil. He's still number three in the race and the highest ranked player without a Majors title. He might indeed not win a Slam but to say he's not consistently performing at the top of the sport is ludicrous also.
When did they say that? He's been consistenly a top 10-15 player in general. Though he was no great shakes in 2022 or '23. But still, what ppl really remember is how you performed in majors.
@@jefftravis3808 my point is this. There's really no reason to compare Zverev to the others (apart from Medvedev who has the distinction that he captured the number one the same year Zverev would've had a chance to capture it, had he not gotten injured.) Tsitsipas, Fritz and the others are simply nowwhere near there. Zverev has the most titles from Next Gen, he's been the most consistent, he's beaten Alcaraz at Grand Slam level twice (as recently as this year's AO). And I find it bizarre that due to the fixation on the majors his distant advantage over these guys is often overlooked. Let's also not forget he has the best h2h against Alcaraz and Sinner of the lot, as well as against the big 3.
Before them were other brilliant 'never won a slam' players. Monfils, Tsonga, Dmitrov, straddled with Kyrgios, Tomic (two junior slams) and so many other absolutely wonderful players who just kept playing and, as Kyrgios said, 'I thought that ship had sailed'. Covid actually took out three years of their playing lives. They held up the other end of the courts in every spectacular match. They got stone-walled by the boring big three in every slam, rarely losing to anyone at a lower rank. Do you really believe they were not a part of the conversation? Kyrgios was part of the conversation for so many years, constantly seriously injured, constantly called out as if he was tanking, faking, but playing with pain because he thought that's what you do, finally unable to walk or hold a racquet. What did you do to those guys?
I agree with most of what you said. The only player tht will be better than the big three is Alcaraz. He has everything that makes a #1 player & imprtantly the mental attitude. The curent generation i.e. zverev, tstsipas etc have the talent but not the mental aspects of the game & they are at their peak now. Alcaraz & other upcoming young players i.e. Rune will be better thn they are now. He is still young mentally, Rune and needs to grow up.
Setting aside their slam count, look at their inability to compete on multiple surfaces compared to Alcaraz and Sinner! For example, none of them have been able to play on grass and you can't blame the big 3 for that because they lose to EVERYONE at Wimbledon. They really have a lack of consistency when it comes to all four slams specifically. Their lack of mental fortitude has also been dissapointing to watch. Carlitos lost to Novak in the FO semi's last year and bounced back a month later to beat him at wimbledon, contrast that to Tsitsipas who still hasnt gotten over his 2021 final loss level wise. So yes you could argue that the original next gen had slightly higher competition, but ive brought up just two examples off the top of my head as to why i also think that they are weaker players compared to the new next gen. Theres plenty more examples out there.
Kyrgios is great on grass but injuries have stymied him. His country always mocked him for 'fake' injuries so he kept playing through the pain and aggravating it instead of resting - Now he can scarcely lift a racquet. This lot hate him most of all for being a failure.
I think Thiem would've won more slams if he didn't basically have a career ending when he did. He was 26, starting his prime. The new gen is Alcaraz and Skinner. Those other guys are done. The rest might get scraps if these 2 and joker don't win it
I think Medvedev is the only serious player. Theim was too just unlucky with injuries. Also i had a feeling Sasha might win a grand slam one day. The rest garbage.
Throw out the garbage. Don't allow anyone to play who is not on your list. Sounds like a great tour. What fun. These are the best 100 players of a sport in the world. In the world. Let that hit home?
they think they know it all. Have never played against any of the great players - or any players. Couch potatoes. Putting down some of the greatest players over the last ten years.
Even now Novak is a top contender. And Carlos is clearly the best now and Sinner a very close second behind Carlos. Once Novak retires, its a very easy road for Carlos and Sinner. Only Meddy can pose a challenge some days. The Big 3 had Murray and Wawrinka around as well. Carlos and Sinner have, at the moment not a lot of competition. Imo if Carlos can keep himself injury free, he can go on to break all records easily unless someone really good comes along.
@@chrismuzgehehe. I’ve seen three of these now and I’m only halfway down the comments section. How many more will there be he wonders while bored in bed on his phone.
I think they're all good players I think some may be even great but none of them are true champions. I think it was unrealistic to think that this generation was going to replace the big three. She didn't mention Dominic who had to retire I really thought he was going to be the next big thing but an injury took him out. Before this year people said Carlos Alcaraz was washed up that he would never win another Grand slam. You never know?
Zverev ,is surely an official choker , Medvedev ,good ,but not as good as HE seems to think he is and Tsisipas is too lazy . Point ? They may grab one or two ,but they dont have the commitment . Not as good as Sinner or Alcaraz. Not even close.
So all of those commentators and analysts who called Federer's prime The weak era should have their feet in their mouths because that's exactly what's happening here.