'first hydraulic disc brake' - yeah, I think a few other manufacturers might have something to say about that! As an established brake manufacturer, Magura were pretty late to the party with their disc brakes
so were the Gustav's the predecessor or contemporary to the Raceline Yellows? Those things would flex the legs and even the arch of my Judy DH's like nothing. One finger pull
A really skilled rider wouldn't need a motor. Period. And having ridden the Shore for 43 years, I can attest to the fact that if we didn't need motors 25 years ago with the dead heavy bikes we rode then, you don't need a motor now. My big bike is 50+ lb without a motor and I can still pedal it uphill. What's your excuse?
Judging the aesthetics alone I think these levers look nicer than MT5 & MT7 but the calipers just look strange to me. not as nice looking, not that that's what you buy them for but my observation
I'm surprised Hope don't sponsor him. That's the brakes I've chosen for over 15 years. Magura are spongy and sieze up in hot weather like Avid. Not a good brake.
I love my MT7s - much less random bite point variation than Shimanos, no annoying spring between the brake pads as they use magnets to stop the pads rattling and plenty of power, but the amount of random squeaking from disk rub I get with these used on my trials bike in completely clean conditions is shocking. Off road, with a decent coating of mud they behave perfectly though (On 2 other of my bikes). The lever adjustments, especially the free stroke adjustment, is only marginally less useless than Shimano's take on the same adjustment, in that it's nearly impossible to tell the difference between fully wound in and fully wound out. MT7 brakes mostly don't ship with this adjustment, so save the money by not adding it. The Hope Tech levers remain the absolute gold standard for brake levers where all the adjustments actually do something, but I'm not a fan of DOT fluid when mineral oil is safer and works better though, and even though Hope have magnetic pad retention on the trials brake, they still use those awful springs to keep the pads from rattling on their XC/DH brakes.
I couldn't disagree more to your point about the lever adjustment. I have found it incredibly useful on my MT7 Pros. It's especially useful to me when you change pads or rotor on only one end of the bike. You can really dial in the bite point so both levers are perfectly balanced. I've also found it useful to gain a little more brake confidence at the end of a full day of DH laps. For the dry squeaking issue, yeah, I'm with you there! I have had decent success by truing my rotors with a dial indicator. It's tedious but it's the only thing that has worked. After a brake heavy day, they're out by a few thou again anyway so it's a constant battle. For the most part, I just live with it now. Hey, at least I don't need to wear a bell on the trail for hikers! lol
@@tbroekemeier Sounds like you're talking about the reach adjustment that comes on every lever, which does work, rather than the bite point/free stroke one that you can add as a pin with a cam on it that you rotate that limits how far the lever moves outwards at rest. This replaces a constant cross section pin that every MT7 lever ships with.
I'm sure they're great until they're not. Had many a Magura lever snap back in the day and just wouldn't trust anything Magura makes now. Fair enough if your sponsor is providing a cupboard full of replacements, but no way I'd put them on a bike and use them daily.
Amazing Danny, as always you push the envelope, another stunning video. Regarding the weather, I always say that Vivaldi came to Scotland for 1 hour in the summer and got the inspiration for the 4 Seasons.
By Maguras own admission these are not really any better than the MT7 as those brakes are "good enough".. so what do these exactly offer outside the hose connect and the fact that they can house a little more pad for reduced maintenance?
I used to ride a bike all the time, but haven't for at least 7 years, I miss it so much, would be an absolute dream to ride something like that, but y'know, life.
@@Billybobble1 buy a wall mount and have it in the living room, I’m sure you’ve had your endure the absolute garbage your missus has plastered all over the place because she (not you) thinks it’s classy and looks great. Now you can add a piece of art work for fairness? There’s always a way :)
IIRC Hope bought out the first hydraulic disc brake in MTB, a quick google and it looks like they were available to the public in 1995 where as the original Gustav was released in 1996.
What's really crazy is Shimano released hydraulically actuated rim brakes in 1969 with a valving set up in the lever to allow one lever to actuate both brakes without the rear wheel locking up, then they released a mechanical disk brake in 1971, forgot about the whole lot and waited till the late 1990s to release a hydraulic disk. At that time XTR V Brakes were what most pro DH riders were running up front because they were more powerful than the disks their sponsors were selling.
@@peglor I'm not a pro but from what I remember in the mid 90s XT/XTR V-brakes were the best out there for MTB. Magura rim brakes were more powerful and the defacto brake for trials but had very little modulation. Having done some swatting up today to remind myself the pro DH riders were all riding Hope disc brakes by '96 though (sorry Magura). Edit: Its definitely fair to say the Magura Gustavs were amongst the first hydraulic disc brakes for MTB but the pedant in me had to comment 😜
@@sandy_knight Magura rim brakes were absolutely not more powerful than VBrakes - I used both HS33s (The most powerful version of Magura rim brakes) back to back with Shimano XT VBrakes, and the VBrake absolutely destroyed the Magura brakes in any power test, as well as having better bite hold and modulation. Where VBrakes did fail is in terms of maintenance demands for riding in a wet muddy climate as well as even good cables being nothing like as smooth as hydraulics. I got good ad making shims from soda cans to take up all the play in the parallelogram pivots on my brakes to keep them running nicely. The frightening thing is the pads that came on the first XT VBrakes were so hard they wore through 3 rims before they got to the point they needed replacing - and that's with plenty of muddy gritty riding. That's the reason trials riders are still using HS33 brakes (Filled with water or antifreeze rather than more viscous mineral oil), because the really precise feel at the lever gives confidence. Since they're either deliberately coating the braking surface with tar or resin to make it sticky or angle grinding the braking surface so the pads bite into it, modulation is absolutely not a consideration, just out and out bite and hold. Hope Trial Zone or MT7 Magura disks outperform any Magura rim brake setup or VBrake setup setup I've ever used on my trials bikes though. Disks are a lot easier to damage of you snag one on the edge of something you're hopping onto too though.
yes and they were way better than Maguras too. As an aside .. I was just this afternoon taking off my shockingly bad new-gen XTR brakes and replacing them with my 1.5 decade old Hope 6tis and those brakes are the dogs nads honestly.
