Śrīla Prabhupāda was clear in his May 28th conversation with GBC that in the future, these now 11 Ritviks would no longer be giving initiation on his behalf after his (Śrīla Prabhupāda) disappearance. Satsvarūpa: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the initiation and the... Prabhupāda: He's guru. He's guru. Satsvarūpa: But he does it on your behalf. Prabhupāda: Yes. That is formality. Because in my presence one should not become guru, so on my behalf, on my order... Āmāra ājñāya guru hañā [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Be actually guru, but by my order. Satsvarūpa: So they may also be considered your disciples. Prabhupāda: Yes, they are disciples. Why consider? Who? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, he's asking that these ṛtvik-ācāryas, they're officiating, giving dīkṣā. Their... The people who they give dīkṣā to, whose disciple are they? Prabhupāda: They're his disciple. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They're his disciple. Prabhupāda: Who is initiating. He is granddisciple. Satsvarūpa: Yes. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's clear. Satsvarūpa: Then we have a question concer... Prabhupāda: When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it. Not only does this fraud organization (ISKM) run on manipulated ideas and propaganda about genuine ISKCON gurus but they also make a great deal of purposely portraying letters and conversations in a way to very conveniently confuse and mix things up so that person buy into this hoax. This fraud organization (ISKM) is giving poison to those genuinely interested in Kṛṣṇa consciousness and is pushing out guru Aparadha because they couldn’t read or understand Śrīla Prabhupāda correctly. All this May 28th conversation is telling us is that the formality is that his disciples are to initiate on his behalf only when he is physically present. If we were to assume that Śrīla Prabhupāda was on with the Post Samādhi Ritvik hoax, he would not have clearly said that the initiate would act as his (Śrīla Prabhupāda) grand disciple. I advise all genuine persons to stay away from this dirty organization whose only goal is to poison ISKCON.
Allso why you left this out??? MAY 28th Room Conversation - 1977 Satsvarupa: "Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you’re no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiations would be conducted." Prabhupada: "Yes; I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acharyas." Tamala Krsna: "Is that called ritvik-acharya?" Prabhupada: "Ritvik yes." / Question is "particularly at that time when you’re no longer with us". It specially and particularly means the time after Prabhupada leaves. No questions about when he is physically with us. The question from Satsvarup Das is really clear: "Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you’re no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiations would be conducted." And Prabhupada answer immidiately: Rtvik, yes. How can you even missunderstand such clear thing, reguires some serious mental gymnastic from your side. Then accusing us of manipulation, while leaving important bits out of the conversations. Everyone please watch this video with all the evidence, we don't just show bits and pieces: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rxodlaOGmGM.html
@@ISKM108 There is no need of any envy for ISKM dogma and Post-Samādhi Ritvik nonsense. Śrīla Prabhupāda was clear in his May 28th letter (which you famously quote) that when Śrīla Prabhupāda was physically present, it was the custom that his (Śrīla Prabhupāda) disciples not accept disciples. Furthermore, Śrīla Prabhupāda expands on this point in his May 28th conversation: [Satsvarūpa: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the initiation and the... Prabhupāda: He's guru. He's guru. Satsvarūpa: But he does it on your behalf. Prabhupāda: Yes. That is formality. Because in my presence one should not become guru, so on my behalf, on my order... Āmāra ājñāya guru hañā (CC Madhya 7.128). Be actually guru, but by my order.] Thus, when the ‘Ritvik Ācārya’ initiates persons after Śrīla Prabhupāda’s disappearance, they (the initiates) are not Śrīla Prabhupāda’s own disciples. They are his (Śrīla Prabhupāda) GRAND-DISCIPLE. How can you get a grand disciple without his (Śrīla Prabhupāda) spiritual sons (who were acting as Ritvik Ācārya prior to Śrīla Prabhupāda’s disappearance) having spiritual sons?
@@ISKM108 Until you accept the May 28th conversation as fact by itself and not pick and choose at your own whim, then we can go somewhere and we can chat. Otherwise, ISKM is simply run by a compilation of conversations and letters presented in a way to purposely fool and make people go insane, forcing them to accept Apa-Sampradya. This is something ISKM or any Post samādhi Ritvik organization cannot answer or accept.
Śrīla Prabhupāda was clear in his May 28th conversation with GBC that in the future, these now 11 Ritviks would no longer be giving initiation on his behalf after his (Śrīla Prabhupāda) disappearance. Satsvarūpa: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the initiation and the... Prabhupāda: He's guru. He's guru. Satsvarūpa: But he does it on your behalf. Prabhupāda: Yes. That is formality. Because in my presence one should not become guru, so on my behalf, on my order... Āmāra ājñāya guru hañā [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Be actually guru, but by my order. Satsvarūpa: So they may also be considered your disciples. Prabhupāda: Yes, they are disciples. Why consider? Who? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, he's asking that these ṛtvik-ācāryas, they're officiating, giving dīkṣā. Their... The people who they give dīkṣā to, whose disciple are they? Prabhupāda: They're his disciple. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They're his disciple. Prabhupāda: Who is initiating. He is granddisciple. Satsvarūpa: Yes. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's clear. Satsvarūpa: Then we have a question concer... Prabhupāda: When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it. Not only does this fraud organization (ISKM) run on manipulated ideas and propaganda about genuine ISKCON gurus but they also make a great deal of purposely portraying letters and conversations in a way to very conveniently confuse and mix things up so that person buy into this hoax. This fraud organization (ISKM) is giving poison to those genuinely interested in Kṛṣṇa consciousness and is pushing out guru Aparadha because they couldn’t read or understand Śrīla Prabhupāda correctly. All this May 28th conversation is telling us is that the formality is that his disciples are to initiate on his behalf only when he is physically present. If we were to assume that Śrīla Prabhupāda was on with the Post Samādhi Ritvik hoax, he would not have clearly said that the initiate would act as his (Śrīla Prabhupāda) grand disciple. I advise all genuine persons to stay away from this dirty organization whose only goal is to poison ISKCON.
Srila Prabhupada is 100% available in his vani and vapu forms. In a letter dated Dec. 14, 1972, Srila Prabhupada wrote, “Next you ask if I am present in my picture and form? Yes. In form as well as in teachings.” And on Sept. 4, 1972, he wrote, “There is no difference between me and my picture”.
Than what is the system said by prabhupada, jo iskcon follow krte h wo.. or yadi prabhupad ne kuchh bola hota to kisi ek ko guru bnne ko bola hota na ki sabhi gbc members ko guru bnne ko bol dete....
Glad you debunked this phrase. They don't act like 13 year old mothers. They act like perverts and sick old men. No mother would do what was done at New Vrindavan or kill people or whatever. Also, some are gay and had boyfriends, and that takes a male body, not a female body. So, maybe you could say 13 year old gay fathers. ...... Of course, you completely fail to debunk the phrase by saying mothers need protection and arguing the words, and ignore all the evidence of the bad behavior of ISKCON gurus. Its sad. Until you folks get your heads out of your ass and acknowledge the truth the west will continue to laugh and your society will continue to fall in corruption.
