It was Ocon running wide without care is the issue for me. Also I agree if Kmag didn’t get a penalty why did Ocon get a 5 place grid penalty. That penalty is harsh. The FIA is ridiculous.
I agree, dude definitely has a complex about his drive. He has said repeatedly he has had to fight for every single thing to get to F1 and never had an easy ride. People like that in general will literally do anything to stay at the top because they know more than most what the bottom feels like, but he really has to find a way to chill TF out, because you go too hard, which he's been doing, and alienate everyone around you, and there will be no one left that wants to be in his corner. Also I'm sure with all the new sponsors coming in, they also need clean races to keep those checkbooks wide open.
The difference between the clip you showed of the Haas being run off when a half a car back, and the Ocon incident, is you can’t run someone off the track in Monaco, there’s just no space. Unless Gasly came to a complete 0kph stop, there was no chance he’d avoid contact, and even then they probably still collide, best case is probably that Gasly crashes into the wall on his own.
If Ocon’s contract had an extension this year and Gasly’s was up the situation would be swapped, he’s been the better driver in a shitbox. You have negative wheel knowledge if you think Ocon was at fault during his time with Perez. The only team mate Ocon had issues with was Alonso, let’s not forget Gasly also crashed both out in Australia last year. Ocon is as much a victim of team politics as he is reckless, typical French mentality from Alpine.
I think that once Ocon was deserving of space, Pierre couldn't back out because he had the wall on his left and braking without going to the left would result in the same crash. It is up to Ocon to overtake safely and he didn't so he definitely deserves a penalty
If you watch thoroughbred horses race, they have a single-minded goal, to be the front horse, restrained only by the mighty little man on their back. They just cannot help themselves, it’s primal. It’s almost like Ocon is the same way; when he’s behind the wheel he just can’t help himself. He seems like a pleasant guy off-track, but on-track he is a jerk.
When you see a Prima Donna that is a PITA and won’t listen then it’s best they dump him. He will not learn or listen. Two French drivers was always going to end in tears!
More like Ocon doesnt care if he stays. He is out-performing gasly in everything this year by a large margin.. Also what gasly did in australia was 40x times worse
Ok, let's say Gasly according to you "chose to hang it around the outside" where was he supposed to go then lmao? just brake in the middle of the corner?
If you really think this was Gasly's fault, especially after Ocon was told not to pass Gasly, I will say you are saying this just to be different from others. Ocon is an idiot who cannot accept defeat to his teammate.
"When you're beaten, you just have to wash out." Wash out where? Into the wall? Ocon put Gasly into a situation where the latter couldn't win. You can't brake under steering without risking a lock-up, and he couldn't go off the track because then he'd be in the wall.
If Formula One allowed one car operations like they did in the olden days of the 70s and 80s Ocon would thrive provided the one car operation made a good car. Very good driver just can't co-exist with his teammates. 😂😂
How can you show a car washing wide with no walls and not realize Gasly can’t bail out into a wall. Not a fan of the insane take in this one. Then you kind of walk it back saying Ocon was already out of line earlier in lap one.
Hehh, from my perspective, Famin acts like this because he knows Ocon is leaving regardless. Also, unless he's completely clueless (which is definitely a possibility), he has to know that Ocon's last ditch stupid attempt at Portier was a bit retaliatory in nature, after Gasly tried to squeeze him on the way to Mirabeau. Seriously, I wish Haas would just fire Magnussen and Ocon jump ship straight away to Haas in order to help them stave off Alpine for 7th. Also, I generally like Gasly, but in that case, he's both the worst driver and the little b|tch.
This is the problem with racing. I understand when you say it should be Ocon's corner but it's difficult to dictate driving by straight black and whites. Ocon should've been aware that Gasly cannot disappear and there's a wall on the outside and he should've atleast attempted to leave space on the outside as to not ruin either of their race. Racing is different than other sports in that 2 opponents need to actually "cooperate" for anything to work.
When Famin said what he said, it was poorly translated. YOU say Ocon could be ditched but it was never said (or thought). Famin was speaking of usual intern consequences. He meant it's an incident, a serious one that will have reasonnable consequences and you don't need to know more. But now all the british media invent stuff. You are surfing on fakenews. Whatever the truth in your comments.
Considering he came from a normal background like most people has always been something very relatable and likeable but he races like an absolute prick consistently no matter who his teammate or team is.
The problem with Ocons overtake is he hasn’t left any room on corner exit. Gasly had already tightened the corner to cover and dissuade Ocon from making a lunge, yet Ocon still went for the gap anyway. Like what can Gasly do here? If he slows Ocon’s rear wheel clobbers his front, he moves left he’s going into the wall. There’s nothing for him to do, Ocon needed to hold a tighter line and ensure space was left on the exit, but really against his teammate he should never have gone for that move.
you know what's mad this is the first time as teammates where the collision has been ocon's fault but where was this energy when it was on gasly and i don't even like ocon i just don't think it's right
Are you kidding? We were all wondering how on earth it wasn’t a penalty for Gasly last year in Australia, it was pretty obvious the stewards just made an excuse to not give him penalty points and cause him to be banned.
As much as I dislike Ocon, he’d be a perfect signing for Williams. He’s exactly the type of driver Williams needs as he’ll: a) provide WF1 a reliable benchmark for Alex b) fight to extract the maximum out of the car and he doesn’t need a perfectly balanced car c) he’ll work hard in the simulator/off track and d) he’ll be inexpensive and so much better and hungrier than Bottas.
It must be difficult to be a team player when your teammate is your biggest rival and your seat is largely dependent on your ability to consistently finish ahead of him.
Yeah. This incident was bad, and it could cost the team a place in the WCC given how few points are on offer for the bottom five, but this incident alone isn't enough to decide to drop a driver. Personally, I suspect this might be a culmination of stuff across Ocon's tenure at Alpine and possibly some internal politics as well. A last straw, if you will.
I see your point but where was Gasly suppose to go? In the example given between the Redbull and Haas there was somewhere for the Hass to escape to. Gasly's only option was to hit the wall or not to hit the wall which would have compromised his race. It was implied whoever was the lead car had priority and the second car was basically going to act as a buffer. Not sure what Ocon was thinking but they would have both looked good if they had both brought in points for the team. Gasly got squeezed hard by Ocon for no reason end of story. Ocon had nothing to prove other than his pride. Alpine/Renault as an org that needs a complete reset or bought our right by a better ran organization. Their leadership just plain sucks.
Ocon is very fond of "high risk, little to no reward" scenarios, specially against his teammates. Maybe he would've been fine if F1 allowed teams with only one driver, but he's the number one enemy of teamwork and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up leaving F1 sooner than expected due to teams losing any interest in his work.
Giving him a penalty for a clean pass followed by squeezing the other car while letting Magnison off the hook in a lap one incident is very suspicious.
I just don’t think Gasly has time to react to Ocon’s lunge, and he also wouldn’t have expected it from his teammate so he wouldn’t be anticipating it knowing Ocon was behind him - enjoyed the video nonetheless!
I think a bigger problem is that everyone knew it was a terrible idea putting these 2 together and also Alpine shooting themselves in the foot with Fernando's & Oscar's contracts 2 yrs ago
When a “beat my teammate at any cost” mentality literally results in millions in damage + costing WCC points, it’s just self-sabotage. I think EO can be brought under control by a TP like Vowles making it incredibly clear how they expect Ocon to behave on track against teammates.
The amount of times Ocon has put 100% of his focus on blocking or beating a teammate even if it costs him and the team over all is easily beyond a dozen. Ironically, Gasly is also a very petulant and immature driver who is terrible at being part of a team.
By the look of Gaslys 360 camera/Strolls onboard I dont think Gasly pulls out of that move without jumping Ocons car, he would of had to give up almost instantly
