Great job, but the number one problem I see with makeshift safety devices are that people rarely get around to making the improvements and in terms of breathing, by then it can be too late. Love the DIY ingenuity and curious if you’ve upgraded it since then, such as with carbon filters.
For what it's worth I've carried a gerber mp600 pro scout for a long time when i was in the military and in my day to day life afterwords. Its come with me on deployments and survived on my person as a line clearance tree climber with no issues whatsoever. I do agree that it sucks having to open the tool to use the knife and scissors and stuff but otherwise its been extremely durable. I even use it with the phillips half open cocked to the side with a socket adapter on it to replace my saw wrench on a regular basis. Practice flicking the pliers open with one hand. It works really well that way.
I use both fairly routinely; the Wave in my civilian job and the Diesel in my weekend warrior job. They're both good tools, once you get used to them. Push comes to shove, I prefer the Wave, but Gerber is king in military circles. And honestly, the Gerber gets a lot more abuse than the Wave, and it shrugs it off. Meanwhile, I've broken two Waves. Take that for what it's worth.
Hey there sir still happy with the 90C?having one brought in to my local dealer next week. Has your Def problems been resolved? Would like to see more or you working your tractor. Stay well
For the platform and price it's hard to beat. Some tractors just don't play nice with the emissions systems and it's a hard issue to really diagnose for dealers.
I've got two theories. One is the wiring isn't done great on the machines causing intermittent faults that trip the emissions up. Every time the dealer reset the computer the code would come back with everything still testing good on our machine. Second is design parameters for the emissions system don't line up with actual use, ie these machines get idled alot and the engineers designed them like a combine running full tilt for most of their lives. The diagnostic process the dealers use just can't seem to pinpoint the issue so they never really find a good solution.
I appreciate that you like the Leatherman more than the Gerber. But I think you were unfair in your assessment of how easy the Leatherman was to use and accesses the tools vs the Gerber Diesel. Yes, I have a Gerber Diesel along with 2 other Gerber multi tools. 1st off you have to break in a Gerber multi tool. It's not going to open one handed at first, but properly broken in it will with the flick of the wrist. I have had several Leatherman multi tools as well. When they are new, they do not open easy either. My one gripe with the Leatherman, is that when using the pliers it has harder edges against the palm of your hand. If you have to really clamp down on something, the Leatherman I used cut into the palm of my hand when I really needed to torque down a bolt. I was in sound and lighting for years and I have tried many multi tools. I've probably tried over 35 different multi tools in my time. Some good, some bad, some that broke first time I tried to use them. I agree that at certain tasks a Leather man is a better tool, at others the Gerber can't be beat. One thing I will say that a Gerber is not pocket friendly that's why many of them come with a belt sheath which is what I use 99% of the time. As far as accessing the tools on a Gerber I have no trouble accessing the tools on my Gerber one handed that I use most. One thing I will point out the tools on the Geber when opened lock into place vs most Leatherman's I've used. But as I've already said what you choose to carry should be based on what you need it for and do with it. I hope next time you do a review of something you will be more impartial, and fair with your comparison.
This is cool and all, but those filters won't catch any of the fumes. They are particulate filters, you need a hepa w/ activated charcoal. This being 2 years old, I'm sure you've figured this out by now. Still, cool filter box.
Bladehq has the Diesel for $50 right now. I really don't care how good a leatherman is when they cost so damn much. Seriously multitools aren't great at anything.
Tractor threw a bearing in the mid-range of the transmission. Managed to make it's way all the way into the pan intact and the fluid was free of metal debris. Doesn't appear to effect performance but it'll be a $7,000+ job to pull it all apart at some point and put things to right. Kinda a freak deal in my opinion. Tune from Reimer fixed the emissions issues and otherwise it's been a good tractor. I've also got a 105A which sucks for operator comfort but the extra power pays for itself fast.
I would not trust those filters for weld fumes. Ditch the filters and exhaust directly out the window. zero reason not to, its less work than making a filter box.
He needs a 3 step filter for welding, pre filter, hepa and active carbon. After this, a good air quality sensor with alarms will save you from overused filters.
I’ve had a few Gerber multitools . There’s no denying Gerber deploys the pliers faster that leatherman . So if you don’t mind a flick of the wrist one handed wouldn’t matter left or right then slide the pliers if you like
Dust extractor!; and even a smoke extractor, but not FUMES. You need a another filter after dust filter to catch poisonous gasses. I planned to just blow the fumes outside, but in winter, there goes the heat; so then I thought: heat exchanger!....but now it is really expensive. I have a small furnace blower...been saving. If I can find filters that also catch the chemical gasses, maybe charcoal?, then I may build something similar to what you did. For summer, and cheap and quick, I figure a dryer vent, solid dryer duct overhead, then flexible hose to where the weld smoke is. I have a small furnace air intake blower that may just have enough air movement to collect the smoke and fumes. I'll put a widening vent adapter of some sort on the hose. Something I noticed others doing with their systems, is putting a vent hood above where they are welding. Big mistake IMO. You want to not breath the fumes and dust, If you put the intake above where you are welding, you are in the path of all that smoke and fumes you are trying to avoid. Some people make down draft welding and/or grinding tables, for the very reason that this draws the smoke and fumes AWAY from YOU. lol So; You had your hose positioned well. I have a few ideas actually, but all designs draw the pollution away from me and what I am working on. I am just learning welding, but I can also see that pulling the smoke away from you, gives you a clear view of your work, which has to be easier than trying to look through all that smoke, when it is drawn upwards lol I am new to welding but, if you are using Mig or Tig, you may need to move your intake a bit away from what you are actually welding. Same issue with Mig and Tig when outside on a windy day....shielding gas not able to shield. I think a nice sized opening at the intake nozzle will lessen the wind, and still catch the smoke and gasses. I think the nozzle could even sit on top of a camera type tripod or something like that, which could be placed on the floor, or on the table, or anywhere your hose will reach. OH! Variable speed too! lol Get the suction just right lol A 3HP Shop Vac with the outlet blower, hosed to the outside of your shop/house will be able to capture the dust and smoke in the vacuum, and exhaust the fumes outside. Would need metal suction hose though ;-)
Hey thanks for the video, there’s not a lot out for these tractors yet. Do you know the specific code that it’s throwing? My 90c keeps giving a DEF concentration code even after I did a fluid exchange.
Our dealer said they’ve never seen DEF concentration issues outside of fuel contamination. I’m nearly certain the tractor uses the NOx sensor to calculate concentration so a plugged injector, bad pump, hose failure, and concentration all trigger the same code series. You’ll probably need a tech with the EST software to clear the code and run a test if the tractor has already derated. If it’s still running fine check the injector and hope that’s the problem. We’ve switched to the cheap DEF (premium has some additive that made it foam bad and get sticky)and keep the tractor idled up at all times. Seems to have helped alot.
I’m Leatherman too. This tool didn’t do it for me. The scissors were better than most, I will say that. The knife had aggressive and strong serations so for a kid or someone who doesn’t sharpen or maintain their tools.. would be a good option. A dull strait edge is a lot less useful then serations that stay sharp even dulled down.
@W.T.Garage: Jerry Chan said it right. Dangerous welding fumes are Not the smoke you see. That is just particulates (it does have it's own problems). The Real problem is the fumes you can't see which are not trapped by filters. They must be exhausted out of the workspace, to the outdoors. Do Not exhaust it to your wife's garage. You will be putting her health in danger. As you do a lot of welding, you should have already known this.
I've read that there are toxic gases that are generated from the welding process, they would just pass through the filters that you used. Venting the fumes outdoors is the safest way to go.
flick your wrist while gripping on the plier. Thats the whole point of the design. For me, the sliders are just to retract the plier head back into the docking position (or whatever you called that). I have leatherman wave 2nd gen, charge tti, surge blk & silver but i prefer my gerbers (waiting for my diesel from amazon US) and of course even better; the victorinox. The leatherman MTs (at least the ones i have) are not so impressive either; they do have their own set of problems.
Exactly...flick and done.🤨 Sometimes I wonder about these reviews. I have a similar Gerber albeit I bought it back in '99 whilst in the Corps. It never gunked up and to say it is junk is far fetched. There were Leatherman fanboys back then as well but it all came down to preference. At the time I would say the fit and finish of the equiv Leatherman was 5~10 dollars better than the Gerber (which price reflected), as far as utility/durability a toss up.
@@archonmarch3965 some of the reviews really "downgraded" the gerber so much and painted the wrong picture. Gerbers are not junk or as bad as they reviewed. i owned few leatherman, victorinox, gerber & sog and i prefer the later 3 brands than what i feel as overrated leatherman.
I have both tools. I think your review of the gerber was kind of dramatic. You can put those pliers out with the flick of the wrist, and retract them by pushing a button and bumping them against your hip or anything. The two tools are very different though, and if you use the tools more than the pliers the Leatherman would be the better tool. Leathermans fit and finish is also better.
Dubya, Nice job on pulling this together! I've been thinking about looking for an old range hood to catch the smoke and attach a hose to it, so I could suspend it above my welding table. Your setup is flexible enough to be able to use it in a fixed situation, like a hood OR have it attached to a short pipe with a squeeze clamp to clamp it to other things. It would be nice to get some sort of a flexible pipe that would allow some "fine tuning". I also like the fact that it doesn't have to be vented outside, so I don't have to install any sort of outside vent in a wall or window! From my observations...it looks like it's doing a super job of sucking up ALL the smoke! THANKS for sharing!!!🤓 Although good quality particulate filters aren't cheap, they are affordable compared to a Purpose-built welding smoke unit.
Cleaning the injector helps delay the issue but it hasn't completely solved it. I talked with one of our local techs for about an hour about the issue and potential solutions and he had some thoughts. He mostly works on the sub-150hp machines and he said this problem is really hit and miss. They've had machines go out that never throw codes and some that have chronic issues. His best guess is it relates to operating temperature and idle speed. We've been doing a test where we blocked off half the radiator with cardboard to force higher operating temperatures. We used to do this in the winter only but have had the cardboard in since shortly after I filmed this video. the goal is having the temp gauge at least halfway up under any load condition. We also are avoiding low idle like the plague and time will tell.
Love the idea and i'm planning on doing something very similar. Good on ya for taking the first step towards a healthy workshop. 60 year old you will thank you. What I plan on doing differently and something you may want to consider is spending some of the money you saved on a proper filter designed for a fume extractor. Those furnace filters are suitable for a wood shop at best and won't do you any good in the long run if you're stick welding with the doors closed. I plan on getting a filter off a Miller 130 Filtair, or Nederman. They are expensive but at least you already saved the first $1500 on the unit. With the Miller 130 you could probably take the top of your box and screw it right to the cylindrical filter. Cheers.
Why would compare a leatherman that costs over $100 to a $60 gerber? Of course it's not going to measure up. I carry a leatherman wave+ myself but even I can see the unfair comparison.
I agree with almost everything you said, but (2:36), nah. "you can not get the pliers out one handed easily". Out-the-front Gerbers are famously easy to open one handed, if you have the technique down. That's like their main appeal. I would say only the Leatherman OHT beats them in ease of plier deployment. 2:44 Don't squeeze the tool arms together. Doing this gets the pliers stuck in the track. There's two main ways to do this: 1.) Squeeze only the two silver buttons while keeping the rest of your fingers off the tool entirely, then jerk your hand up. The plier arms should float in place while the plier head rides up along the track. Once the tool wears in, maybe has some oil in it, gravity will do all the work for you. No more jerking, just press both buttons. You can also do this in a reverse grip. 2.) With the tool flat against your palm, lightly wrap your thumb and index finger around the two plastic locks for the interior tools. Your thumb should rest near the nail nicks. The plier connections that slide in the tracks should not be touched at all. Get a firm grip by pressing the knuckle of your thumb towards the side of the tool. With a firm grip on those plastic locks, flick your wrist clockwise. This can also be done in a reversed grip, but it's a bit tougher to learn. I don't like interior blades, especially the ones on these things. A knife is the last thing I want to be fumbling for, and you're absolutely right that the tool blocks you from using the knife. Cumbersome and just plain stupid design, but thankfully their Centerdrive model fixes a lot of the problems. I also got myself an unusual example of a bladeless multitool, the bladeless Gerber MP600. None of the tools in it are really meant for emergency use, so I don't mind that they're slow to access. I carry a separate knife whenever I have my bladeless MP600.
I'm generally not a fan of trying to use any sort of flick or jerk motion to activate a tool. When you are jammed up underneath a truck or tractor the motion can be problematic. I'd be curious to get my hands on a MP600 as a few people have pointed to that as a good example of the centerdrive.
I have the oht and the diesel. Can confirm the oht is MUCH easier to deploy the pliers put, without the drama of a flick. I also agree with the points made on the knife, my oht feels much better to cut with vs the diesel. Different tools with different features but overall I think leatherman makes superior multitools
I agree accessing inside tools on these is a pain in the butt - I have the MP600 which is the same type of design - but that is made up for by the fact that the pliers on these are easier to access, one-handedly, than on any other multitool, just by a flick of the wrist, it takes a few tries to get the technique but once you know how to it's easy. That's the whole point of this design.
Gerber didn't introduce the Diesel until the mid-2000's so I assume you had one of their other models? I've tried quite a few over the years and have generally been disappointed in them all until I found the Leatherman Wave. Curious what you had and what industry you're in? Application seems to make a difference in what works best for folks.
@@w.t.garage3338 Dude your absolutely right my mistake , i’ve never handled the Diesel it apparently just looks like the one i had . Im not sure what model it was (mp600) maybe 🤔 i know it was a center drive looked the same as the one u had . i’ll say this in 98 when i bought the gerber the leatherman model was a fold open style and if you tried to use it as a plier you gripped the edges of the handle and they cut into ur hand if you used any force . the gerber had rounded edges so you could grip that suker tight as possible and your hand wouldn’t feel and edge or hot spot . final note i did break that gerber last year trying to pry something, my mistake i actually stood on it and broke the jaw 😩 but dam she served me well for over 25 years
@@ericbuchers8189 That's a quality tool if it made it 25 years! I have another Leatherman that I hate because of sharp edges. You have to wonder what companies are thinking when they make tools that hurt to use.
Leatherman has great quality but I've taken a diesel on 3 combat tours to some pretty sandy places and have never had an issue with that slider opening. Speaking of slider, I've always opened single handed the same as a pocket knife with a flick of the wrist and its never failed to open fully. I've also never seen anyone bother retracting the pliers to use any of the internal tools of the diesel either but different strokes for different folks
Did one tool survive all three rounds or differently ones each time? I'm curious if that would suggest a defect with this one as the sliders bind up just about any way I tried to open it short of two hands. I'm curious how you manage to hold it and flick it open, my natural way of holding it means I have to loosen my grip so much that I no longer have a good hold on it to slide it up. No being able to get the knife out easy was the real deal killer for me, especially as I use the knife a lot in the winter opening hay bales.
Greetings: I made something of this whilst I was OTR 4 my trailer. The earlier refer units did not have the bells, whistles and light shows of the later units. So... I did a small upgrade. I later sold and installed a few as I did many of my ideas. Suggestion, which by now is probably redundant. U said U were going 2 run the cord thru the door. Pass it thru the drain in the corner. Just a thought.
I got the idea from a reefer trailer! I tried sourcing a pre-made deal but couldn’t find anything that met our needs as well as this. I’ll have to look at the drain holes, I don’t think they are big enough to pass the cord through but I’ve been wrong before.
