123ignition is a worldwide respected brand of ignition systems for classic cars. The distributors are produced with respect for the classic design and character of the car. Despite the classic appearance, the ignition contains the most modern electronics. This will guarantee a powerful spark with a perfect timing. 123ignition is continuously working on expanding and perfecting its product assortment.
@@123ignitionchannel I'm on my 4th 123, I really rate them! The only issue I have is I dont seem to be able to make make adjustments on the fly even though its the tune version that i have. I have to power cycle the dist to get the android app to download the change.
9:12 - so inside the guts of the 123, is the vacuum advance a mechanical system, or purely electronic? This item is one of my potential purchases for a classic Mini.
Hi! The vacuum system is fully electronic. Inside of the 123ignition is a vacuum sensor which translates the vacuum/boost pressure directly to a digital signal.
Hi, if you have a 123\Tune(+) or 123-pos, you indeed have a blue wire. The blue wire is the ground (power supply negative) and needs to go to either your chassis (if your chassis is connected to your battery negative terminal) or you can connect it directly to your battery negative terminal.
HI Benny, that is because the graphs are commonly given in distributor RPM and distributor advance (camshaft), while the 123 works with crankshaft RPM and crankshaft advance. This means that for the centrifugal curve, you need to multiply the RPM and advance values by 2. For the vacuum curve, you also need to multiply the advance by 2. See 1:26
Hi Dave, we have updated our FAQ and added an "RVI modification" document. You can try that one out. Please see the "will my tachometer work with the 123" question.
The 123\Switch model, with 16 predefined curves, is available with and without vacuum option. The Tune (USB) and Tune+ (Bluetooth) always have the vacuum option. If you do not need or have a vacuum connection, then just leave the vacuum on the 123 unconnected.
Hi Eduardo, it depends: do you want one with standard predefined curves (Switch model) or for example with Bluetooth so you can program your own curve in it and see real time data (Tune+ model)? You can find the models here and select on Tune+ (Bluetooth), Tune (USB) or Switch (predefined curves), right angle cap or straight etc: 123ignition.com/products/?filter_brand=citroen&filter_cylinders=4 For ordering, please see our dealers: 123ignition.com/dealers/
Hi Eduardo, This installation video is a general video of how most installations work. The steps are always the same. The only thing which can differ from car to car is finding the static timing point. Sometimes this static timing point can be found as a mark visible on your flywheel or as in the video, you can find it for the Peugeot 404 with a pin in a groove.
@@eduardorubio5711 Hi Eduardo, some Citroën DS have degrees written on the camshaft pulley. If yours does not have it, then you can still find Top Dead Center (TDC: 0 degrees) by getting the sparkplug out of cylinder 1. Put the engine in a higher gear and pull/push the car until the piston of cylinder 1 is at the top. Note that this can be either TDC compression stroke or TDC exhaust stroke. You want the TDC compression stroke of course. To determine if you want to determine if your engine is at the correct stroke: you can put a rubber hose on cylinder 1 and apply air pressure with your mouth. If you notice a lot of resistance, then you have the compression stroke. If not, push/pull the car until the piston is again at TDC, but the other stroke (compression). When you have found compression TDC (compression stroke), make a mark on the pulley, as we also do in the video. If you have problems finding TDC, please contact a garage specialized in classic Citroën cars.
Hello, a quick question. In the video you say the ignition needs to be set at 11 degrees btdc, so why do you set the distributor at tdc? I'm sorry, i got myself one of your great distributor and before i mount it i want to make sure i understand everything so that i can do it right
Hi Fedefico, the static timing check point at 2:24 (with the 8mm drill) of the Peugeot 404 is at 11 degrees before TDC. Thus if you set the engine at this position and install the 123, the 123 will be installed at 11 degrees before TDC, which is the recommended static timing point.
Beste Johan, De gedemonstreerde Peugeot 404 heeft twee gaten: één voor bodenste dode punt en één voor statische afstelpunt (aantal graden voor bovenste dode punt). Wij installeren de 123 op het statische afstelpunt. Dit testen we met de 8mm boor. Zodra je kunt voelen dat de 8mm boor in een gat/kuil kan vallen, weet je dat het vliegwiel precies op het statische afstelpunt staat. Indien je dit niet voelt, moet je nog een beetje heen en weer bewegen met de slinger totdat je merkt dat deze er wel in kan vallen. De spil kun je direct weer weghalen, want het was alleen nodig om te voelen of het vliegwiel goed staat. Nu kun je de 123 installeren.
Hi Edd, That's correct, there is some axial clearance on the shaft. This is the intention, since metal expands when it gets warm in the engine. When the material is warm, the clearance is gone.
As there are a lot of makes/types of engines, we do not have a library with ready-made curve files. However, you can create your own with this video tutorial. The curve can be from your car manual, a car forum or based on the curve table of a 123 Switch product on our website. Below the 123 Switch version, for example the 123\VW-4-R-V, you can find the curve table.
Hi Chas, That's indeed a Citroën SM tachometer and it does work correctly with the 123! The 123 has a special tachometer output to support the original (non modified) tachometer.
@@123ignitionchannel Amazing! Thank you for answering my comment! I'm pretty sure I have the only SM with two Mallory Unilite modules AND vacuum advance (in the original Marchal distributor). It took a lot of effort, but it works very well.
@@123ignitionchannel That's very kind and good to know - since my car has the XC/ engine, things might be a bit different! Just received my parcel with the components directly from the NL! Looking forward to starting with the conversion.
Hi, you can just convert the curve as in the example like you are at sea level. After the conversion, you have the curve in absolute pressure. The nice thing is that the 123 measures absolute pressure.
Beste Karel, indien je vragen hebt over het product dan kun je contact opnemen met info@123ignition.com of met een van onze dealers. Voor de volledige lijst dealers, zie onze website: 123ignition punt com
Hi, the 123 can measure from 0 kPa to 200kPa, wich is 0 bar to 2 bar absolute pressure. All points entered below 100kPa (1 bar) are advance points, all points above 1 bar are retard points.
Many times, you can find the curve in the original manual of the vehicle. Also there are classic "how to repair/maintenance" books available which also contain information about the distributor and the timing with curves.
@@123ignitionchannel Thx, Iv'e been digging on the internet for quite some time and Im having a difficult time finding the exact curve. Seems like I'll have to improvise !
