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I have a theory regarding Moldova's televoting. It was the first time they used online voting. I remember the situation in 2021 when Cyprus got an unexpected 12 points from Russia in final. After that, it turned out that most of the voters needed to confirm the votes by clicking 1. By doing so, the audience accidentally voted for song #1 that was Cyprus. that secured Cyprus the first place in the Russian televoting. Maybe something similar happened this year in the first Semi-Final in Moldova? Just saying.
Interesting theory! Might be really close to the truth, when you look at the result. Lucky Silia, as without these 24 points from Moldova and Azerbaijan - she would have been just 2 points ahead of Australia 🙃
But France getting more jury points would've likely not only taken points from Switzerland, but also from Croatia. Though regarding Switzerland, I don't think it would've been a lot. France likely wouldn't have finished ahead of Switzerland in most of the 22 countries who gave them 12, maybe right behind them on 2nd place receiving 10 points instead. That would've only decreased the gap, but considering it was almost 150 points, not by much. And if France was last in the Australian jury, I don't think a better performance would be enough to improve 15+ places (Other results such as Georgia - which I'm still so sad about - show that vocals don't always matter for juries) In conclusion, it would still not be enough to beat Switzerland. And of course Croatia heavily benefitted from the disqualification. The Netherlands was their biggest televote competition and would've taken a lot of points from them. And this would have resulted in Switzerland winning by a bigger margin. This must be sad for Croatia though, that was their best chance in years and they might not get another one in a long time (which could also apply to Finland)
It feels so unfair, that one performance, which people have not even really seen has impacted the final results so much. Now we can only guess how the results could have been like 🤔
I did not skip anything, I just had to cut it from the video, which I upload to RU-vid :) it is just not allowed by RU-vid to post the song played entirely due to the copyright 👌 I hope you enjoyed the rest of the analysis though
I think for Israel it worked both ways. Some juries have ranked Israel too low because of politics, but some others too high because of the whole situation with bullying and so on. You know, I love this entry, one of my personal favorites, but objectively this type of a song is not something the juries would usually put in their final top-5
Slimane of France should have won 1st place. Swiss won because of so called Peace summit there in June. Eurovision Officals accepted bribes for the winner.
San Marino does not have a televote because they cannot facilitate a separate network for San Marinese people to vote through, as they are part of the larger Italian telecommunications network. That's why their jury votes are counted every year as a televote substitute.
Interesting point, but well, they have definitely found some solution, cause their televote points are counted in the final alongside the jury points (Sammarinese televote is not 1:1 as the jury points and is also not similar to Italian televote). And when both juries and televote were counted in the semi-finals - they also had a separate Sammarinese televote
@@JustESCAnalyst No, there is no San Marinese televote, period, it's technically not possible. The scores that are presented as San Marino's televote scores in the final are a combination of other countries with similar voting patterns. It's basically an aggregate to substitute for the real thing as there is no way to separate San Marinese calls from Italian calls.
@@JustESCAnalyst From 2009-2015 San Marino only had a jury vote, and from 2016 onward, they have had this aggregate calculation average of a certain set of other countries that has acted as their televote score, so that - alongside their jury - they would have another set of points to give. There is and has never been an actual San Marinese televote.
@@JustESCAnalyst Exactly like the 2019 Belarus case. No, the EBU has refused to release which countries it's based on, even the San Marinese broadcaster doesn't know.
Mmmm i agree except for Denmark, too much points. I think Latvia and Albania could grab some points for the vocal ability. So, Albania could be better but not enough to qualify sadly. I think Georgia should grab more points for the show itself.
Unfortunately Latvia and Georgia were rated very poorly by the juries in the final as you can see in my first table 😢 I also would have expected the juries would like them more than they actually did
exactly! Since the televoting was introduced, juries always kept voting. Just in case there will be a televoting issue, so that the backup jury score would be used instead (which happened on few occasions, quite often with San Marino which failed to receive a minimal required amount of votes). And in the last two years with the removal of juries from semis, it is actually the same. They still vote on an evening before the live show, but now their voices just do not count at all as long as there are no issues with the televote.
I have discovered something a bit weird with Esc results, specifically with nordic countries , for some odd reason nordic countries allways have something bad happen to them if the contest is hosted in a fellow nordic country Some examples of this are Swedens only nq happening in norway 2010 In sweden 2016 not a single nordic country qualified In denmark 2001 norway and iceland were tied for last place Finlands best result in a nordic country since the 2000s is 18th in 2000 Sweden 2024 where norway came last , finland a televote magnet flopped , denmark failed to qualify with a half descent song and then iceland came dead last with only 3 points Hoping for a nordic country to win again so we can see what the curse does next
Eagle eye! 👍 have realized it after I have posted the video :) I mean Cyprus, mixed up these two countries. Thank you, the video about semi-final 2 comes soon :)
37 Juries gave Israels best ever entry on 30 points. What lesson can Israel take from this ??? 🤔 (But sadly they will think the Public vote is the majority of people as opposed to certain people voting MANY times for Israel.) .
The juries were often very supportive of Israeli entries, but Israeli ballads in 2010, 2013, 2019 were also always rated quite low by the juries. Eden did actually quite good with the juries in my opinion 👌
I get more and more pissed at Eurovision every year when it becomes more and more obvious that people cannot separate their emotional feelings for an artist, country or culture from the actual song. And it's getting worse. At the end of the day it is a song contest. Read the tin label. Yes, I understand culture will always play the bigger factor of the three, that's obvious, but I think this guy hits the nail on the head. Australia misses out of the 'neighbour' factor (by extension some cultural elements - ignoring the diaspora factor in Australia to some extent as Europeans are a lesser percentage/weighting these days), yet other countries like Poland, Lithuania and Ukraine have such a massive diaspora across Europe that they can, and do, actually affect televoting results). The thing that ruins this contest for me now more and more is this inability to say 'yes I am Xxxxxish, yes I want Xxxxxxxx to win, but Yyyyyy's song is better so I'll vote for that' (you can replace Xxxxx and Yyyyyy with any country you like). That isn't human nature, generally, especially when you factor in an artist may be your favourite, you saw them three times on tour promoting their song and you heard it the most, or all your friends are voting for it for their own non-empirical reasons. All of this can work in the opposite too, of course. Even if you think a song is better than your own you won't vote because 300 years ago they did whatever they did. Look, I am not naïve, I know there are deeply held reasons why people do and don't do what should be an empirical action, but this is why we will forever need juries to smooth over the sharp edges of peoples' irrational actions. Maybe I am just being an idealist and what I am arguing for people to do is irrational in itself, but I feel I can never trust this contest again when factors as those this guy lists are in play. How can (or should) you use previous jury trends as part of an analysis? Every song *should* stand on its own merit, devoid of any historical context, populist context and frankly commercial context. The only way to achieve this is to have anonymous songs by artists not from that country all sung in one language so you've no idea where it's from until afterwards and clearly none of that can never happen. The solace I take is that in general the 'best' song *generally* wins (2022 excepted in recent years) through this smoothing process, but analyses like this should be moot because the populace *should* be able to separate an empirical judgement on a song from all the other crap clouding our brains. But I know we can't. This is a song contest, not a performer, culture, bezzie mates nor radio play contest. I'd love people to at least think of some of that before we pick up our 'phones. Some people really would vote for a farting goat on stage if the rules allowed it for any of the reasons above. Some probably have.
You are absolutely right! I have a couple, who are my close friends, who for example vote each and every year 20 times from both of their phones for the same country, because one of them came originally from this country. Even if they don’t like the song 😂 I think it is unfair, but so is their human nature and EBU has no way to stop such cases, except by eliminating the televote completely, which will not happen
@@JustESCAnalyst it’s a shame. We are emotional beings and maybe it’s just my (extremely) mild autistic tendencies to automatically separate my emotions from fact. I’m not always successful of course, but I try.. haha Btw your videos are great. I love your style and presentation and have an extremely camera-friendly manner (and face!), so please don’t think any of this is a criticism of the work you’ve done. I think it’s great and you should be very proud of this output. I covered ESC as press from 2005-2014 and stopped for a lot of the reasons above, and the runaway costs! Don’t even talk about the Baku costs and Malmö 2013, I’m already feeling the pain for those guys go head to Switzerland next year! Ouch! But seriously, great videos and lovely presentation.
Thank you so much 😉 very interesting, I am sure you have a lot of nice memories from those times. But the costs are, indeed, extreme. Luckily nowadays you don‘t really have to be there in order to cover the contest as a press 👌 but I am still glad I have at least visited one show in Malmö 🇸🇪
Then Poland could’ve qualified like I wanted! But… Finland would be eliminated which wouldn’t be good for me… I’ve been starting to root for Finland ever since Kaarija’s outstanding performance.
But either way maybe it’s time for the juries to continue voting in the semifinals, because now with them out of the semifinals, the juries have fewer choices to choose in the grand final and potentially there will be fewer songs that the jury would like. Hence these few songs would have more concentrated jury scores. And it led to issues where they came off as ‘biased’, like how they gave Sweden 15 sets of 12 last year and Switzerland 22 sets of 12 this year.
@@jason256-8 you are so right about this! Especially I was able to see it with the second semi-final qualifiers when all of them except of course Switzerland were not really liked by the juries at all 😅
Eurojury was based on the music videos and not on their live performances. Australian song was one of a few radio-friendly ones in this semi-final and it really came alive with this live performance 👌 Also don’t forget that, ranking all 37 songs at once, juries would had Australia rather in the middle of their tops, meaning not giving points. But choosing just among 14 other semi-finalists, I am sure they would have to give points to Australia
@@JustESCAnalyst Eurojury also asses the song quality which as it showed the Australia song is a bad light. The performance live wasn’t enough to overcome the reality that the song just isn’t very good. Possibly but the same argument could be made for all the other songs it was competing with. I suspect with a lot of people that they think just because it’s Australia it would automatically be liked by juries despite the grave signs that don’t support it.
Really interesting video, was thinking about this the other day. One thing I disagree on is Poland getting so much points from the juries, as Luna's vocals were not particularly good, so Finland or Slovenia would have still qualified
Thank you, Diego 👌 You are right about the vocals, but they were actually not really bad. Her voice is not strong, but she was just singing in quite a delicate way and she has hit the notes. I believe the juries would vote for this one as it is one of very few potential radio-hits from this semi-final. Modern pop track but not a trashy europop, which juries usually do not appreciate 😅
@@JustESCAnalyst Yeah, Luna's song felt very current and in line with current music trends, so maybe the juries would have loved it. And it may have been one of the rare ocurrences in which Poland gets more points from the juries than from the televote, haha
I really don't understand why we still have jury voting in final, maybe SomeoneWantsToControlTheFinalResult, and they don't vote in semi final because "favorites" will qualify 100%.... 🤫🤔🧐🧐🧐
The juries are very important cause the televote is too much influenced by politics and attracted to catchy performances rather than judging who has better voice, more modern song and who can have an international success in the future
Because the public can't be trusted and vote for the populist song, rather than a good song. 2023, remember that? There is NO WAY you could even entertain the Finnish song being a "better song" than Sweden's, IMO, but certainly was "better entertainment". The public can't discern the difference, unfortunately.
@@AppNetEnt I absolutely agree! If we want it to be a SONG contest and not a "performance" contest - the juries are of course required. But they often of course also pay a lot of attention to the vocals and professionalism of the singer, rather than at the quality of the song. So many things could be improved :)
@@AppNetEnt and yet France, Iceland, Serbia, Cyprus and Norway all had jurors that voted Cha Cha Cha higher than Tattoo. Those juries all gave higher points to Sweden. In fact, 14 jurors overall gave Finland 12 points. I'm not trying to prove that Cha Cha Cha is better. I'm saying that even with the guidelines given by the EBU to jurors while scoring, they dont all think the same and vote the way you expect them to. I do not want a televote-only final. That would kill Eurovision.
I did the maths and if you take the jury results for switzerland from the semi final 2 countries and take away all the countries that didn't compete in semi 2 than Switzerland hypothetically got 214 out of 218 points, but that's assuming they voted the same in the final as in the semi but I don't think it would be far off
Yes, it is a very impressive score there!Just Israel and France did not let it become an absolute maximum. Actually 212 of 216, not 214 of 218, but it does not matter so much 😉
The Code, from Nemo, was a fair winner song. Iconic, well performed, nice message, nice music. Well done Nemo, you're very sweet and shinning 💖💫. But Sweeden didn't give Nemo the deserved stage in the final performance, after being announced the winner. They just give them the trophy, an extra micro and let Nemo there. The brocken trophy was iconic too, after all this mess eurovision year 😉💖
They are definitely a very well-deserved winner! You are right, last days before the final were just hilarious. Nemo breaking the trophy was like a cherry on top of this cake of disaster 🎂🍒😅
Thanks for your interesting comments and insight, I am very much looking forward to seeing more of your videos. I fully agree that the Croatian jury did not act in a very professional way. As a swiss person, On the night, I was really scared that Croatia would finally win by less than 8 points (the amount swiss jury gave croatia), fortunately that did not happen. In any case thumbs up for Baby Lasagna, who showed a lot more class than the croatian jury, as he graciously clapped when the final result was announced, even though he must have been the most disappointed person in the whole arena.
Thanks for another great video! We voted for Issak and i really don't understand the hate and mockery he got, joking as if he is obviously last place. His song is one of the few i listen on Spotify. And Croatia were robbed! ❤ from 🇮🇱
I also absolutely do not understand, how the Eurovision community was sleeping on him. I definitely saw this coming, that the judges will support his entry 👌
And analysing Ukraine's top 3 entry being sad for "politics taking it down a bit" is hilarious considering the fact that politics got Ukraine to top 3 position at the first place. Ukraine still receives many many sympathy/diasphora votes due to the war, from the televotes and also some from the juries.
Not sure that this year it was related to the war situation. This agenda was not really raised this year and the song had also nothing to do with the war… but there are a lot of Ukrainians now everywhere around Europe, so this will have every year an impact in a long run…
The huge gap between Israel's jury's points and televotes should have not been ignored at this video for my opinion. It is clearly political, BOTH WAYS.
You are of course right. It is obvious, that super high points were r not just given to the song, but rather to show support against the bullying of the Israeli entry. I would not consider the jury score too low, 12th place is a perfectly great result for a ballad, however a few of the jury members have admitted ranking this too low due to the politics.
Смыс песни о боли нашего народа. Не дай бог узнать это,когда вы спити а вас вдруг приходит в ваш дом и убивают вашу семью, я думаю что после этого ,что пережили эти люди израиль даже вам не присниться в страшнем сне
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