I’m just a n!gg@ that likes to make power scaling,cross verse scaling and doing debunk videos and giving my opinion on the topic, I try to be as non biased and as objective as I can anyway hope u enjoy my channel and hope u will help me reach 1k SUBS this year 😅
Yeah, MASSIVE lowball for Asta throughout every arc but that's expected tbh since this is a 7ds channel. But since this just your interpretation of both of their scaling ill let it slide. Also didn't go in-depth with Asta's abilities but again, 7ds channel.
@@igneellinde4123so far from accurate 😂. Bros using spoken hypothetical feats to give cloud mtn+ is crazy. You do realize that the cloud he created isn’t even half the size of a regular bitch hurricane right? Of which the worst dmg a 1-3 is giving is city block level at best. You need to learn to properly scale feats and NOT SPOKEN FEATS. If someone says they can destroy the whole world but can’t destroy a simple building is not planetary. Wiping all humans and building is not planetary. There are no real feats that are planetary if they are not directly involved in creation or destruction of that said planet. Civilization isn’t planetary. All sentient beings isn’t planetary either. Same style as teleportation not being a speed feat.
@@Joey-Jdi ummm no he is large mountain lvl as proven in my video lol and gilthonder gets stronger in s1 as I also proved in my video. Like bruh stop low balling gilthonder
@@Joey-Jdi do u just not know how heavy clouds can be and how much energy it would take to create such a big thick thunder cloud 🤦🏾♂️ lol saying they can destroy the world doesn’t mean that they will destroy the world nor does it mean that there attacks have to be planetary lvl in dc every time lol go watch my video on the difference between ap and dc and learn some sh!t 💀 case all your arguments are just based on your ignorance and beliefs.
@@igneellinde4123 i see but also u could count the salamader feat as maybe continental because burning 1000 ri is continental sized but thats a little iffy
@@igneellinde4123 an outlier feat I want u to check out is yami spiltting dorothy's dream dimension and surpassing it with a physical move would that make him and everyone above him solar sytem - uni?
No thank you for making this I love both series but I knew that it went to meliodas with it barely being a fight and your the first person to scale seven deadly sins properly
@@landenchristian19 I’m glad to hear, hop u have subscribed cause the chaos vs yhwach from bleach is coming soon it will be uploaded this Friday or Saturday and I discovered near argument and feats for chaos
Pls make a Lancelot vs Escanor vidoe . And Perceval vs Meliodas vidoe how does Meliodas counter percival death chant he used against the white knight ?
I think you got the devil percentages thing wrong. We use it in the context of each percentage of devil power being greater than their base form without devil power and how it it dramatically upscales the verse. For example base Dante can clown of black form asta who should atleast be slightly stronger than the one that was relative to sacred and the first wizard king. When accounting for noelle statement we know Dante going 50% on berserk asta was either because of the huge amp that was berserk mode on black asta or just an overkill from Dante. Another example is base vanica oneshoting a 50% dark disciple in base. Those disciples should be stronger than the 40% dark disciples that spirit dive Yuno struggled against. The same yuno who should be relative if not stronger than the same yuno who competing with black asta and Zagred So basically the base triad are very powerful and each devil percentage they use are greater than than base form
That’s still not how it works tho u can’t say 50% of there devil power is 50x stronger than them. We have no quantification for how much is 1%. U didn’t provide anything that suggests that per 1% it’s a 1 or 2x increase I explained how percentages work U would also have to figure out how much is the gap in power if they had to fight 1% of there devils power because we see asta beat his devil but he can get multiple times stronger just in black asta form
@@igneellinde4123 Wouldnt noelle's statement be all the evidence needed. If i recall, she said something along the lines of a single percentage of devil power being an incredible increase in power. She made the statement when vanica went from 50 to 51percent. also yuno went from being a oneshot difference stronger than 80 percent zenon to being inferior to 100 percent. So a 20 percent increase in power compensated a oneshot diffrence in power? not that its not possible but i think its unlikely. I also think its consitent for the devil percentages to be that massive of an increase because the cliphot devil that boost the triad are all shown to be superior to the 100percent triad by a massive amount. spirit dive noelle can style on 100% Vanica the same noelle is inferior to an unserious megicula that is at 1/3 of her manifestation. as for the asta beating his devil thing its kinda implied that liebe is holding back during their fight. Also the ritual used substantially nerfs the devil in the arena plus we know the kings of the underworld are beyond a shadow of a doubt more powerful than the 100% triad by a laughable extent.
@@igneellinde4123 im not really familiar with seven deadly sin scaling like that so i would just trust you on that part and not really dispute it. i think the universal blackclover scaling is more consistent than youd think. I dont personally use it but i think u dismissed it too quickly. glamour world isnt the only root of the argument tho i think its a solid one. i dont really agree with the arguments against dorothy creating glamour world and i believe the interaction between luck magna and the elf in glamour world supports it being infinite in size or atleast multi solar system through multi galactic because of the sheer amount of stars in the background. even if you think glamour world is hax, yami cancut it with dimension slash and yami has an attack that is both stronger and faster than dimension slash in death thrust. i still think its a highball for black clover but i think it isnt as inconsistent as people think
@@minyemwilfrid9413 I debunked it in the video lol. Yuno needed a lot of help to 1 shot zenon and had to charge up a attack to do so also 1 shots in black clover are never consistent and are not given the requirements. 75% megicula is 100x stronger than a dark triad but we don’t know how much power she gave vanica from my knowledge megicula gave her 1% of her power and vanica thought that it was 100% same thing for Dante lol like Dante at 100% isn’t equal to 100% lucifero or even 50% lucifero. Not trying to kill asta does mean he is suppress his power I can try not to kill someone but I can still 1 shot them or beat them up. I don’t think that nerf applies to liebe who has anti magic and not magic. Ik that in fact if u watched the video I mentioned that
@@minyemwilfrid9413 I didn’t just attack the glamour world argument but the other arguments. Death thrust was never shown nor stated to be superior to dimension slash equinox.
theseyoutubers need to get there numbers right if pasta was 5000000 times ftl he wouldn't be needing to fly on a sword to get to spade kingdom and what would even be the point of them using finral to get around places?
When you realize that a much much weaker version of Meliodas with just a stick and a fraction of his true power, casually splits a mountain in two, it seems ridiculous to think that End of Series Meliodas is just continental.
Purgatory( created by Mother Chaos) which is a realm is stated to be a space time. It also has an infinite size statement: This would mean that realms in seven deadly sins are space times and are infinite. The mortal realm( the main universe) contains an infinite lake of magic and energy. Demon King Meliodas was going to destroy it with his sheer presence. This is an ultra casual High Uni to Uni + feat. The demon king and the supreme deity created a parallel dimension of the mortal realm which is again an infinite space time. So they would be at least Uni +. Meliodas scales to both of them. He even erased the demon king from existence. Chaos created the main universe, purgatory, the fairy universe, the demon king, the supreme deity, and can create different timelines. Meliodas can damage Chaos king author, and threatens him. Also the supreme deity and demon king’s combined power beat Chaos. So Meliodas somewhat scales to it. 5. It’s confirmed by sariel and tarmiel that to escape their dimension that they created you would need a power level relative to theirs to destroy it. This means that in seven deadly sins creation scales to destruction/ap. Now in terms of speed faster than light to infinite speed Every single member of the goddess race can use light attacks or light particles. Gowther uses light arrows and King’s sunflower attacks are beams of light. Ludociel is flat out stated to be faster than light. King speed blitzed Mael and (his arrows of salvation which are light) and Meliodas scales to him. Diane speed blitzed Gowther’s light attacks. Now for infinite ATTACK speed Chaos, the demon king, and the supreme deity created infinite sized universes. So their attack speeds are infinite, and Meliodas can destroy universes so he also has attack speed. He can react to their attack speed.
The mother of chaos never created purgatory we don’t know who created it. Ik about the infinite statements I’m saving’s that for my next video. The mortal plane stuff ik about I mentioned it in the video It wasn’t stated to be parallel dimensions. Which doesn’t mean are infinite but there are other ways to argue there dimensions are infinite. Chaos didn’t create purgatory nor the fairy realm nor the universe although Arthur recreated it but prior there was no confirmation on who did it and the fairy tree created the fairy realm. Most of what u said I know about but attack speed and dc/ creation are 2 different things but there are better methods to get there attack speed that high
And you forgot that it stated that the demon king created purgatory and that a high uni feat at bear minium and if meliodas can one-shot the demon king that he's atleast multi universal but with max he can reach up to outerversal
Comp characters are everything that the character can do so Mel himself can’t do the hax then he can’t do it More accurately the title of the video should be SDS VS FARIY TAIL VS BLACK CLOVER
@@igneellinde4123enough of the calculation mathematical bulshit just get to the point of fucking ready I'm standing in the top of my lungs God damn it you idiots know he's solos Black Clover seven deadly sins win that fight point blank period
Went back over chapter 3 for SDS to verify the Lightning feat. Maybe there’s something to be said about every character in that chapter simply having super human speed/being able to talk fast, but given how much occurs in the time it takes for Gil’s spear to reach Meliodas (Mel senses the attack being launched, Elizabeth fumbles being a waitress, her going outside, Mel following her, then having a conversation that last several pages), I think that puts a damper on this attack being as fast as natural lightning. Then again it did have to arc through the air, maybe it covered a greater distance than the linear 7 miles between them, but I still think this is a weak point in the speed scaling.
@michaeldorsey9231 remember when Meliodas beat the shit out of Galand and had a discussion withe the commandments under 10 seconds... Yea. Time in anime doesn't work like in real life. No two person have full blown conversations in 10 seconds and fight in the same 10 seconds
“ There is no time frame given in ch 3” Somewhat agree, any timeframe estimated would still ultimately be a guess, especially in manga format. Still, given how much occurs on panel I think it’s fair to argue that the timeframe would be longer than the 0.02-0.03 seconds that it would take natural lightning to cover that distance, unless we want to argue that not just Mel and Elizabeth but also the bar patrons are simply moving/talking at superhuman speeds constantly. “so we can only measure speed with distance and the confirmed speed” At least in ch3 I didn’t see any direct reference to that attack at least being as fast/faster than lightning. Maybe other chapters have more explicit mentions for Gil’s speed, but even then this throw may not have to be as fast as his other attacks, especially since he was doing so to test whether or not Mel had returned.
@@michaeldorsey9231 i disagree lol because in fiction specifically 7ds in this context they can move faster than normal humans we also know the time frame using time = distance % speed to find the time frame which would actually be 0.021 seconds which is a feat if they can do multiple things in that time frame. Yes I would say that due to the feat given lol I see no issue. That’s just baseless speculation lol because we see gilthonder being able to create thunder clouds and his lighting is just lighting speed we have no reason to assume it isn’t lighting speed or faster bare minimum. It only gets faster with him amping his weapon with magic
If prime meliodas slams he can’t get past the Ten Commandments. If current then it’s hard cuz meliodas got the power to oneshot him but asta so much faster than him
@@Dkvle teleportation isn’t speed without calc stacking asta is ftl+ pre timeskip. Inaccessible speed isn’t a speed tier system anymore and the teleportation isn’t passive it’s active
My only discrepancy (20 mins in), is with Hendrickson vs Dreyfus, which I personally think Dreyfus is considerably stronger. But the entire situation with Dreyfus in that arc is suppressed Fraudrin who’s consistently like pretty weak, so it’s all good.
@@igneellinde4123 I mean Dreyfus upon getting purged of Fraudrin just has way better feats, and Dreyfus just consistently is superior to Hendrickson combat wise in the flashbacks and considering the progression of the story later on. Hendrickson > this weakened Fraudrin though is perfectly fine, that version of Fraudrin was getting jumped by fodders 😭
I'm not going to lie Nakaba just makes no sense whatsoever. I mean if the 7DS were going to get stronger to the point where they can face off against King Arthur in the FKOTA then why did he have Meliodas get rid of his "true magic"? Also didn't the land of Brittannia originally rejected Meliodas' existence since he possessed power that not only rivaled the DK but surpassed him, so why isn't Brittannia rejecting him now especially since he's power now can match the strength of Chaos? Honestly it doesn't make sense.
Magic in general regenerates so it will come back in a x amount of yrs but if current meliodas had true magic there would be no plot. Because now that chaos is back the world is probably strong enough now kinda like how both gods in the past could chill in the mortal world but after 3000 yrs past the magic in the world ran dry so the world became weaker kinda like if a god where to appear in our world. Also it wasn’t just Britannia it was the entire world and the demon king said mortal plane
And his magic got lost because of him overusing it to annihilate the comandments after defeating the DK. His true magic form could be coming back like @igneellinde4123 said as it regenerates. And since chaos is back the world can likely handle Meliodas's regenerated hypothetical true magic form which he can maybe use against Arthur if they somehow get him out of Camelot
@@Ale_v2-31 ye like u can’t permanently lose your innate magic it will always regenerate over time just like how the demon king lost his innate magic in Zeldris body but it regenerate just like after the fight it would take decades to centuries for his magic to regenerate
He is all power but not hax. As I explained this wasn’t a power ranking video cause not everyone is a power base fighter in 7ds so I decided that to properly rank them we have to take abilities into consideration and if they can beat the previous sins below them in a 1v1 then that’s where they should be ranked at
Isn't that a nlf. Her immunity to physical attacks I mean. like what's the limit to her immunity. Would she take no damage from a higher dimensional being?
@@sixaxis-q8l well she is 3D like saitama so it doesn’t matter lol also when I said it depends on where u scale her i was referring to her dimensionality
Satiama isn't that powerful anyway its just everyone in his universe is weak. Also some the animation is exaggerated (not to say its bad I really like it.)
Actually no he's a gag character and his power is basically to always be more powerful than his opponent no matter what, no point doing a versus with him
He isn’t a gag character lmao that sh!t got debunked a long ass time ago. Saitama is just to strong for the people or monsters around him so he can 1 shot all of them besides the people and monsters he failed to 1 shot. It’s like says if jake Paul was in a big room with 16 year old kids and he can 1 shot all of them, there for jake Paul could 1 shot Mike Tyson 🤦🏾♂️
Yes, Arthur said, "Meli > Lancelot" but that was before Lancelot got serious it was "BASE" Lancelot and why didn't you talk about the fact that Lancelot's "Aura" alone made Arthur's Chaos arm back up ? Anyway , Lancelot is relevant to Chaos Arthur
@igneellinde4123 before you make that video you need to know that lancelot is related to the second strongest entity in the 7ds verse "the lake lady" and that she has infinit magic, at the last chap of 7ds ( bonus chap with jericho and lancelot) he disappeared and came back as "the prince of the lake" and that would also explain how his aura did this to chaos and why it's blue
@@Percivaly2004 lady of the lake has no feats she just has infinite amount of magic like Merlin and base Meliodas is above base Arthur who is above the lake
@igneellinde4123 Hold on , merlin doesn't have infinit magic her power can maintain a spell infinitely without time limitation That's her magic "infinity" , and a power lvl is divided in 3 , Strength Magic Spirit , lake lady has infinit magic meaning a infinit power lvl and with magic you can also boost your physical capabilities, and she stopped "Nemesis" the strongest attack in 7DS an attack combined with all the strongest attacks of the 7DS in their Prime combined and Full Countered multiple times , reducing the attack to a continental Lvl attack ( the attack would have destroyed Britannia stated by the DK )
@@Percivaly2004 it’s literally stated by chandler the she has a infinite amount of magic and Zeldris says that she was born with infinite magical power in the raws. No that’s not necessarily the case u can still have finite power lvls but have infinite power and magic power in power lvls of 7ds is is to scale your magics strength so just having a infinite amount of magic doesn’t mean u have infinite power. It was stated by Zeldris but as I explained in my previous video on ap and dc are different the dc doesn’t dictate the ap just the bare minimum
Bro i love your videos i foud you like 1 hour ago and fall in love pls keep up doing videos im 100% sure i will watch every video with an anime i watched or im intrested. And could you do meliodas vs naruto and not only like king meliodas and bayron mode naruto . Maybe a few versions from this 2 . In my opinion Meliodas would blitz the whole verse + boruto . But maybe you could do like what for naruto needs to beats base meliodas and then you go 1 tier higher like demon mark meliodas based and so on from the beggin to the end !
Thank u, I’m glad u enjoy my channel hope u stick around for a long time lol oh yeah I’ll make that video soon enough currently Meliodas vs asta is in production but that video will be out soon so look forward to it
@@igneellinde4123 Oh nice to see you anwsering so quick could you anwser me a question ? Are you also my opinion with the take thath meliodas is way stronger then meliodas like fully out of range? Bc on tik tok people are saying naruto slams and im thinking like damn lil bro never watched 7ds
I answer all my comments depending on the comment Well yes I think meli solo neg diff depending on the meta u use but based on how I scale them meliodas would slam Naruto
W vid but you can’t really use king as a comparison of what someone is like without their relic. When you check his stats he’s literally all magic. Every other sin can still fight without their sacred treasure
Thank u. King can still use magic lol without his weapon like when he used his stats promotion or when he was gana use disaster on that old guy he was fighting not only that but he can withstand he own energy output with his weapon but without it a cat can damage him and a cat is fast enough to react to him but with his weapon he can keep up with lightning timers as a low ball so I can use it as a comparison
@@igneellinde4123 Yeah that means the weapon is boosting all of his stats, including durability and speed. It’s literally stated when king explains sacred treasures. He says amount of magic each sin can use without the treasure is like a drop in a lake, and with it it’s a whole lake. The fact it only affects magic means king is disproportionately affected more than any other sin because his stat ratio is basically entirely magic. That means it’s an unfair comparison to use king
@@vegitosaysalright2365 ye that still doesn’t change the fact that the spear is a sacred treasure that amps a below cat lvl character to mountain lvl with that multiplier if meliodas had his sacred treasure the same amp will be applied not only that but if it only amps magic then it will also amp the since magic but even so they can still use magic to amp themselves. At least Meliodas and the other sins besides king can still use power magic without there weapons so I don’t see the issue here
