Honestly I been studying this from every side Custer was touched mentally be nice he most likely took his own life others did same there and in other battle's you would not handle captured.!
Bob, history gets embellished and distorted over time. I greatly appreciate the real history that you bring us. I love history and especially that of the American west. I am lucky to be retired now, traveling on the road in my RV full time so I can visit these sites. Thanks for what you do.
The myth that native Americans were these peaceful and noble savages is the opposite of the truth. They were violent. They were thieves. They committed atrocities that would make most people sick just thinking about.
Wow! The truth is stranger than fiction! Native American hostiles wearing "white man's clothes," a battlefield covered with tall grass, and a beaver dam that prevented an entire company of cavalry soldiers to ford a river! Kudos to Bob Boze Bell for bringing together new evidence in a legendary American event; the battle of the Little Big Horn.
Wow. you made to the end. I can only watch it 5 - 10 minutes before switching it off. Even with the experts, whom I can imagine during the re-enactments looking sidelong at the screen and doing a facepalm. Once I saw the Buntline Special I knew they were in trouble.
I grew up in Queens in the 1950's. Other than watching westerns on TV (Roy Rogers, Gene Autry, Range Rider etc) I have no western knowledge. Although I have lived in Oregon for 45 years I am still a city boy at heart. I thought that Ike Clanton's hat was very neat it did seemed to be much too modern for the 1880's and would have tit in with the TV westerns.that I grew up with
Very enjoyable video. Despite your constructive criticism, it’s evident you have a sense of humor about all this which is refreshing and lighthearted. I feel like you do when they get the guns wrong. Such as when they have actors shooting Winchester model 92‘s when the picture is set in the 1870s. There’s many examples, and more broadly, the biggest offender is the six shooter that fires 24 shots.
I noticed that in the flashback scene of young Wyatt Earp practicing shooting BEFORE the Civil War, he is shooting a Colt 1873 SAA, that didn’t exist at the time.
I just finished watching this show and very much appreciate your commentary! I knew that many of the reinactments were not going to be accurate because they simply didn't have the budget to get every detail right and even with a budget it's difficult to recreate historical events with actors and costumes ect. But, I thought overall it was a pretty decent, informative show, aside from as you say, making too much of Ike Clanton's role. I paid more attention to the commentary from the historians in the show and that always seemed pretty good.
I've seen several ficitonal versions of this shootout on screen and all seem to imply that Wyatt just stood there in the open, the cowboys somehow missed him while he shot down two cowboys. I'm trying to find out how accurate that is, but based on this it certainly seem that depiction is possibly true.
I haven't seen the show, but that Clanton hat is a stench in the nostrils of the righteous. It would look just fine in "Yellowstone", though. I was fortunate to meet Ben Johnson once, and I will always kick myself for not asking him whether he had a "hat approval" clause in his contracts. They weren't always period correct (okay, maybe never, because of Hollywood), but Ben never had a bad hat. I remember that "Appointment With Destiny" show, especially Doc trying to psych the cameraman out. I only saw it once, but now I'm hunting it up for a rewatch.
Hi Bob ,Great video ! I'll probably never see this new movie ,because I'm not going to support Netflix. However maybe you should make a movie about the Earps and Toomstone. You could get other historian friends to help. Thanks Bob. 😊
Your problem with the hats was much the same as my problem with the hats. I watched this also recently and right out of the chute there was an issue. I always have a problem watching many of the modern Western seeing wardrobe that is modern or hats that look like they were run over by a herd of cattle. Guns that don't match the time period. Saddles and tack that are modern and the list goes on. Having said that I think the show was pretty good putting the action in context with the National and local politics. Human nature hasn't changed much since then just clothing, weapons and transportation.
Bob, I understand you are a writer as well as the aforementioned (in your video) authors, and I am surprised no one has mentioned Mary Doria Russell and her books "Doc" and "Epitaph." They were an historical fiction novel, however the friendships and politics in Tombstone at the time were pretty historically accurate in her books. I remember her stating on her website that she had a whole, long shelf of research material she gathered to write the two books. After reading her two books, I better understood the politics in Tombstone driving the opposing forces during the early 1880s'. On a related note, are you going to critique Kevin Costner's new series "Horizon!" I like you have issues with anachronisms, for example after Hayes Ellison's (Kevin Costner) first gunfight, he is shown ejecting spent cartridges from his revolver. Considering if I am not mistaken, it was mentioned that the American Civil War was still being fought back east. If that be the case, there were not yet any cartridge revolvers in common use. The Richards Mason conversion was still several years away. Most people out west were still using percussion handguns. The rifles they had were mostly correct. The sharps rifle was in use however during the civil war period, they were breech loaders utilizing paper cartridges (i.e. Berdan's Sharpshooters). Two exceptions were the Volcanic Arms Co. Henry Rifle using a 41 cal. rimfire cartridge, and the Spencer Carbine, both of which were used mainly by the Union Army. I really enjoy your channel and commentary.
Great Job outstanding i enjoyed watching your channel Tombstone is one of my favorite movies, i could watched over and over again it doesn’t get old i wish they re make it again! I think that the guy that played Waytt Earp should play Jhonny Ringo in the re make
I think there's a photo in the book Frontier Marshall that shows Wyatt Earp and Bat Masterson at a faro table. Wyatt is dealing and Bat is sitting to his right in the referee chair. Probably at his saloon in Tombstone. It's in my first edition copy. Have you seen it ? The caption mentions nothing about it being them but I swear it looks just like them. The hat Wyatt is wearing is the same type hat he's seen wearing in other photos. Check it out in case you haven't yet done so.
I'm right there with you on details. I noticed the hat right away. The tack is all wrong, too. I cowboyed for over 40 years and when I see crap like that it ruins the entire show for me.
The Wyatt Earp and the Cowboy War show was so far off historically, I had to turn it off. Sorry I missed the expert authors talking. Thanks, Bob for your analysis!
Sir we are of the same tribe. I grew up watching Bonanza and The Virginian and when I was a youngster I actually believed what Hollywood was selling. Now I am a purist. My life changed when I read a book by Time Live about the true Gunfighters. To start with the horses in the movies are way to well fed to be real. Same with the reference to the hats. I could go on and on but you already know everything I could bitch about. One of the closer movies was "Lonesome Dove" but it is also full of un-truths. Charles Goodnight was not the same man that Tommy Lee Jones played. I am from Texas so don't blow cowboy smoke up my ass. Thank you, sir, for standing on the truth. In my honest opinion Hollywood is nothing but lies.
One of my biggest complaints about Hollywood “Historical” accuracy concerns clothing and textiles. Most “historical dramas” fail miserably in accuracy. Case in point the History Channel’s “Vikings”. Hundreds of bad “history” facts abound in that series. Wyatt Earp is the ultimate Western Personality bar none but not necessarily as it is portrayed in the Netflix Docudrama. Regardless of the inaccuracies I enjoyed 90% of the production. Get the hat crap fixed and you will take a good step in at least fixing one bad mistake in this production.
Lol, I almost didn't make it past the 1st episode because of the music they chose, however I was really bored that day and kept watching. The hat was one of the 1st things I noticed. Great video thanks and stuff.
Bob, I'm glad you brought this up. As I have read some many books including yours on Wyatt Earp and his time in tombstone, this version really is told inaccurate. The attire is slightly off, Morgan and Virgil are missing their hats. The ok corral gunfight scene...sooo inaccurate. But the tombstone Vendetta scene that's what is based off is the historical record, including your historical work. You could have done it better. 🎩 This netflix needs adjustment. This is not fake it's history that happened and this version of Wyatt Earp and the Cowboy war which should be the Tombstone Vendetta needs serious fixing.
Does this show have anything to do with the ''Cowboy War in Kansas - Feb 1887''? Wichita County Museum has published a photo of the key players in that Cowboy War. The photo includes Luke Short, Wyatt Earp, Doc Holliday, Bat Masterson, Bill Tilghman, Red Loomis, Jim Masterson, and Pat and Mike Sughrue. The Sughrue twins were my grandmothers uncles. They were lawmen. BTW, everyone in the photo had a hat.
I’m right beside you on authenticity. It grinds my gears when they don’t do their homework. It’s the little things… paying attention to detail of the historical period is so essential to the time frame you are trying to re-create. UA 1970-1971 ‘Bare down’ This is a 👍👍 video!
BBB, I'm with you 100%. I'm a stickler for historical fact and do a lot of eye rolling at some of the "facts" I see in print and on the big screen. These modern 'B' Westerns that come out and only make it to some obscure cable channel having every cowboy wearing jangly spurs and sporting a duster is unwatchable to me.
