Thx man, I try to learn the ankle technique as well right now. What I don’t understand is: does the heel have to move up and down/is it stomping to make it work? or do I just lift it up at the start and keep it a bit above in the air? It doesn’t stay on the pedal like the ball of the foot right?
Hey. I'd say start building a beat from scratch. When you have your feet going, add a quarter note ride pattern. When you have that locked in, add the snare and so on. Start simple, so that you give your brain some time to adjust.
Krzysztof Klingbein teaches the ankle technique using shin muscles and he is going 280bpm. I used to follow Marthyn teachings using the calve but i have good and bad days with this and its not very reliable for me. Im switching to shin swivel and it already feels more natural to me.
This is the best kick lesson I have had the honour to learn from. Brilliant! The idea of isolation of the weaker limb and working forward in a 5-minute time slot along with the metronome appears understated but is a very efficient method of learning without overstressing a muscle or muscle groups. Consider me subscribed my brother!
Ive watched this video like 500 times and now I understand that I was always right when I was doing just by natural twitch like 8 notes at 215 bpm. i thought it was too much for a beginner and that I was doing it wrong... jesus... Your video changed my life
I've seen a lot of videos addressing how to control the twitch by just saying "Keep practicing!" without actually giving any advice on how. Thanks for actually talking through something to work on.
thank you for explaining this in the way you did. i keep practicing ankle technique but at like 130 to 140 bpm. been feeling stuck at that speed.I was mostly ignoring my natural twitch bpm because it was so hard to control. i havent researched too much, but i havent seen where anyone explained to practice from that natural twitch bpm. heard some mentions of it i think but didnt understand what they meant. the way you explained it was perfect. im going to practice this now, thank you!
Hey Augustinas, I want to try that too, thanks! Maybe you can answer to my two questions, that would be awesome. 1. When you say "the normal contraction" of one foot from the ankle movement, you mean the automatic, uncontrolled oscillation of the foot at the untrained beginning, right? And when you say this was 175 bpm for you, you mean 175 double beats, so actually 350 beats per minute, right? 2. The normal oscillation of the foot out of the ankle can't be controlled at all in the beginning. The foot is just running at one speed. For me, by the way, it's different speeds for both feet. So how can you merge / combine them together so that they are performing a clean, double speeded beat? Does that come with time if you keep one single foot at its default speed for a long time? Or have I misunderstood something?
Hey. 1. 8th notes at 175 bpm. 350 would be crazy :D 2. I'd work on slowing down the faster foot and speeding up the slower one. Keep practicing very consciuosly. Observe the ankle movements and you'll get it.
For me, I’m still a nooby drummer of under a year, but practicing 1 foot at a time is dandy and all, but soon as I try to put both feet together for double bass, the strokes become gallopy or in unison rather than that constant machine gun sound where it’s even strokes back and forth. So when practicing each foot at a time, the ankle motion naturally wants to be fast because it’s twitchy like you said, but how does one start fast and put both feet together and have control? Cause I think it’s harder to do the ankle motion at a slower tempo than faster tempo, no? And even at slower tempos I’ll still struggle for those solid good even strokes, so how does one make the jump to this fast twitch motion with the ankle technique and get both feet to be even and controlled and not super sloppy lol.
how long it take you to learn the twitching? ive been trying to combine both feet with it but it just sounds horrible lol, not in sync at all so hard to control. but with one foot i can go really fast with it but it seems to take me like 3 beater swings to get it really going... any tips?
I was able to control my ankles at around 175 bpm quite quick (maybe a week or so). Then I started learning how to speed it up and slow it down, which was a whole different story. It does take a long time and control doesn't happen overnight. Best of luck! Don't give up ;)
Am in this exact process myself and have been for ages. To anyone wondering, yes it feels very tense in the beginning and difficult to control. That's because the ankle technique isn't meant to played slowly. Naturally we start out slow, so it's difficult because it's not meant to be played slow lol from what I've noticed, if you feel your shin muscle being used instead of your calf muscle, try lifting your ankle up a little higher and/or make sure you're sitting up straight. You'll know you've relaxed your shin muscle because suddenly you can practice this exercise longer without it feeling quite as exhausting
Hello Augustinas! It's me again 🙂 The Ankle Motion works better and better, but I'm using with my right Feet (the weaker) a lower Spring Tension as on my left Pedal (my strong Feet). How is it with You? Is this bad and should I try to adapt the Spring tension in the Future? Thanx for Answer ❗👌🏻
Hello Augustinas 🙂 6 Days ago, I watch your Video. And TODAY I can play the ankle motion at 220 bpm. 😍 I was struggling with this since 2 Years. YOUR excellent Explanation and the Video from Marthyn (Ex-BELPHEGOR), leads me to success. It was difficult, but in the End it's like learning Bycicle. Once You got it, You never forget. Playing both Feet together works better and better,but this is Practice and Patience. FOR ALL OTHER DRUMMERS WHICH ARE STRUGGLING: Start slowly and think about what you're have to do: HEEL UP is the Motion and NOT to push your Toes into the Pedal like is often shown in many RU-vid Videos here. AUGUSTINAS: ONCE AGAIN A BIG, BIG THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME❗ Believe me: When I learned the movement, a few tears of joy ran down my face❗❗❗I wish I could show You my progress👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻Best wishes from Germany. Blast on, Dude❗❗❗
THANK YOU SO MUCH for your Video ❗I've lost my mind since 2 Years by hopeless learning the Ankle Motion. Most Videos here explained, that You have to push your toes into the Pedal. 💩 You and the Video from Marthyn opened my eyes. It's difficult to learn the motion, but slowly I see and feel Progress. TO ALL OTHERS: IF YOU FEEL YOUR MUSCLE TWITCH, YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT WAY🙂. It will take a lot of Time, but it will work! Again: THANX A LOT, DUDE ❗
"Twitch and then control it" is awesome to hear. All ankle motion videos explain it with words, but then just shows the drumming doing it flawlessly. What does it look like at the start? How do you make sure it's just calf. I was doing twitch and control and making progress the other day but realized I was using my shin, not calf. Frustrating
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Dvigubi hitai yra technikos dalykas. Kartais jei bačkos plastikas labai atpalaiduotas, gali irgi atsirasti nereikalingi smūgiai dėl vibracijos. Ačiū :)
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I dont get it, off the pedals you practice with your toes on the ground and heel up then pressing your heal down and repeating but if your toes are already on the pedal, the beater is already touching the drum from the pressure in the toes, so when you put your heal down, nothing happens. Can someone explain what I’m doing wrong or what I misunderstood
I’ve realized recently that I’ve not been progressing with my speed, because of just trying to play random stuff all the time, without using a focused group of muscles, or the right muscles for the tempo I’m at. I thought, “well I’ve played drums long enough, those muscles should know what to do already!” But, now I try to put just those calf muscles to use, consciously keeping the upper leg muscles out of the movement, and it’s like I’m starting from the beginning all over again. I have scoured youtube trying to find the right explanations to fix it. After seeing your video it seems like I’m at the same point you were. Good explanation. I hope I can at least get up to 200 BPM ankle motion soon. I want to make a youtube channel but my drumming isn’t up to par yet.
I own a acd drive shaft on my tama iron cobra and I'm not that of a good drummer but I Got to say that it tooks me almost three months to adapt to the "non laaging" of the left pedal
I don't sit high. Actually my sitting position is very standart. Knees just a bit below my hips, so that when I raise my heel they become parallel. It is possible. Once you get the motion right, it's not twitching anymore, it's controlled motion, and yes, you can speed it up.
Great explanation dude. This is exactly how I did it but strangely, my feet always started contracting at around 240 so I had to work backwards and learn to do it slower!
Thats exactly what I noticed was the twitch, it started just going on its own at a fast clip, and w both feet at first You can feel yourself trying to sync the pedals opposite instead of playing flams. Eventually once the control kicks in you can just hit it right away. It feels wrong at 1st and totally uncontrollable But eventually you realize you start gaining small amounts of control with with more practice.
That's the stage I'm at, I have the motin down but my feet still don't want to sync up. The best way I can describe it is that it FEELS like it's getting there but it has not clicked quite yet. Then again I only started learning ankle motion like maybe a week ago.
I have a question, because my natural frequency of vibration of the foot is around 190, it has been the first time in many years that I have managed to do that speed, so thank you very muchfor the video, now the question, how do I go down to 170 which is a speed that I would like to reach since with the full leg I can't
Thanks for the comment. What worked for me was to make bigger movements with my heels (if that makes sense). Increasing the range of motion how much the heel drops and how much it lifts up. That's how I managed to slow down to 160. But I play flat foot up to 170. From there it changes to ankle.
@@Bukoke Oh man, it really depends on technique and it's different for every player. For me it's somewhere around 210-220 when I need triggers to hear the bass drum. I know there are some players who hit real hard on these tempos, so there's no one answer.
@@AugustinasBeksta Thank you for the answer! I was under impression that hit power goes away starting at 170 or smth, so triggers are being used from that point onward. Well, thanks for info and have a blast!
