what the hell? I have an i7-6700 + rx 6650xt + 16gb ram and I have to cap my fps at 30 to make it playable. How the hell do you get 200 fps? edit: I figured out that the problem is overheating. I kind of fixed it but I still get my cpu capped pretty hard. Idles at about 90 celsius.
@@dragonsystems5973 I was playing on performance mode and I change all the settings to maximize performance. I was able to get it to run at about 100 fps but I had to change settings in the files of the game though.
Would have like to see 4K 60fps Settings as Well. Also, you should Never leave your Frame Rate Uncapped in Settings and Nvidia Display Settings but Set it at the Maximum Resolution of your Monitor because if during Start-up the FPS could run up to like 1000 FPS and you could damage or Fry Your Video Card by Spiking it above Specs.
@JosephDungee wasn't that just weird one off thing with one game that got addressed and no ever really knew the cause fir sure? As far as 4k, honestly you want a 12th gen or newer... I got a 25%ish+ bump when I went from 9900K to 12900k on a 3080
In fact I'd recommend against pairing anything higher than l8ke a 3070 with anything older than 12th gen, I'm telling you, the gains with Alderlake where stupid levels of good
@rekaivan5675 ummm.... hmmm... probably?? I have the stuff to test this... I work like 12 hours a day lately, which is why I have not put anything out in weeks... but maybe I'll get off my ass and test this.. might make a good content piece..
@patrickmacmillan thanks. Basically I am building a hardware library, I want hardware representative of Intel, AMD, and Nvidia for every generation from 2004 to today.. basically the whole lifespan of PCI-E, which I consider the start of mainstream custom gaming... yeah people built rigs before that, but PCI-E was when it really got popular, around the time when WOW was the hottest ticket in town
Interesting. I wanted to get into small form factor stuff like a year ago but just ended up getting a gaming laptop in the end. Not regretting it. It's nice to know though.
@CrumpetsNBiscuits I travel a lot, and in a perfect world I would love dragging my sff with me, but to get everything I wanted, it's just still slightly too bug and the laptop edges it out for convenience, especially since my boss just upped my work tempo.. I used to stay in the same hotel 3 days a week, but now I'm all over the place, and it's just a pain having to set it up every day
@@dragonsystems5973 The game runs so poorly on my laptop that even on the lowest possible settings + DLSS Performance @1080p, it drops to 25fps in 50-60% of the city areas.
It sounded like you said taht it was possible, but I just wanted to check and make sure that I would be able yo upgrade the hard drive and memory? Thank you for the video
Actually, once you see how small the card is, you will think that is a waste... this card is REALLY small, it may not be as fast as a 1050 Ti SFF HOWEVER, unlike most if not all 1050 Ti SFF cards, this is a true single slot SFF form factor card, basically it will work in any system that has a 16X PCI-E slot
@@dragonsystems5973 i figured its tiny i got the older version of the card in my desk a w4100 as hotswap card to test used systems that are problematic
Funny dude, this game to me is an indicator I need a whole new board. In all irony before the 2.0 update i was actually able to push pretty hard but it seems like CP2077 keeps pushing CPU performance.
@Basserino84 I mean, I've done testing with stuff like a 4th gen with a 980 and it runs ok even on older stuff.. I'd tend to say the threshold where you would have trouble getting the game playable no matter what you do is going to be 4th gen intel/GTX 980, or 1st gen Ryzen/GTX 980
@@dragonsystems5973 yea I hear you. I was able to get like 70-80FPS on my 4th generation with modern GPU, I just think that the game is very heavy resource wise. I'm basically running at the "Steam Deck" setting.
wx4100 has more stream processors 1024 at lower clocks 950mhz , E9260 has 896 stream processors with a much higher core clock with a 1400mhz turbo will get it close to even though
@josephdias5859 I figured the difference would manifest in a small but probably irrelevant frame rate difference. It did perform unexpectedly well on fortnite though, which is probably a more relevant game for this particular card
Hello, perhaps do You know what to do if the PC does not reboot and amber light is lit on the rear side of the board next to the power cable plug-in port?
My guess would be your ac adapter is either defective, or I have also seen something like this if you try to use the incorrect one, for example a dell with the proper plug, even though it fits, it might not work
Some people i know are trying to get me to upgrade my pc i bought last year (rysen 7 1700x 1060 6g 32g ram) so I would have better proformance less issues and could get windows 11 (i dont want windows 11). But my computer can do most games i want to do. It does have some issues ofc. I could afford a 4090 pc but then i would be broke.
Id definitely recommend against spending money you do not have. I have not been able to afford all this stuff long, wait until you can afford nice stuff to get it
@kiillabytez no you don't, the card is too expensive for what it is for most normal circumstances, it's a cool curiosity, but unless you get it for like $50 there are better options
Originally bought a 5870 in 2013. I had to use this card for a while in 2022 because my main gpu was loaned out. It booted but crashed after a while. Then I remembered I used to run an undervolted BIOS. I flashed it to default bios and it ran without a problem. Great card that can still play older games well.
Great video! I picked up the 1070 a year back, just interesting how prices fluctuate over time also. I think we're in a good techonomics market for gpu deals currently.
Had my gigabyte 980ti die seemingly due to some kind of defect regarding the cooling on the VRAM, i had it RMA'd at one point so I can't be sure they re-assembled it correctly, but it looked like the thermal pads had physically lifted off of the RAM modules.
People getting angry IS the market responding my dude? Holding out for sales, waiting to the next gen, turning their noses up at shorter upgrade cycles? Negative sentiment affects what people are willing to pay too, it’s a symptom not a problem.
i got an rtx 2060 super right before they surged in prices during lockdwns and im still using. still having fun playing games. i still think it was overpriced but i bought what i could afford and thats that. ive always been at the bottom of the barrel of GPU's for all PC gaming. the best card ive ever owned was a gtx 750ti that i got used and had that card for years until i got a 1060 3gb. skipped 900 series. before 750ti i had a radeon GPU in a laptop to play minecraft. at the end of the day a 100$ watch and a 500$ watch tell the same time. my 2060 super still plays the same games others play and i still have fun playing them.
I think both sides are valid, I enjoy the latest hardware from a hobby standpoint, however, my ability to afford the newest high end stuff is very new to me, for the past like 15 years as a hardware enthusiast I was always solidly in the like 3 gen old flagship camp or newer lower end camp. Now I can afford stuff like a 4090, which is on a couple of my videos, but you dont see me constantly doing stuff with it, most of my content is with older stuff, which is what I find people actually want to see, and I am soo busy making videos with older hardware I really dont even have time to play with my newer stuff
I like gaming on the road, but I usually request that I stay in the same hotel for the whole trip, this week im going to be the hotel 4 days, so I have time to set up
@@dragonsystems5973 about two years back used I used to carry a mid tower. I will try some gaming next time I'm working out of town, it should improve morale. Might play on the meta quest 3 or steam deck.
I'm honestly surprised how well that graphics card holds up. I bought a gtx 960, gave it to a family member as an upgrade. I did the same with the gtx 1060.
Someone commented that the 950 I have is super super clocked, so maybe it is performing more like a stock 960? Even so though, I agree with you, in fact, it performs so well I originally mislabeled it as a 960 in videos. I do think Maxwell performs better than most older architectures as well, for example the RX580 should be a good bit faster than a 950, but with the issues ive seen with that card, id take a 950 any day
Perhaps, but it started during the pandemic. I believe its tech influencers feeding off an apparent desire on the part of a large portion of their audience to see "Big tech held accountable" Which I think is nonsense. Look, we are gamers, and I know it sucks having miners eat up our GPU stocks, HOWEVER, we are in a different world today than in 2016 when the 1080 was released. The fact is a GPU is far more than a pretty picture maker in 2024, and the new reality is that we are in competition with other use cases for these products. Personally I found with my first 3080 that I got right after they came out, yeah, I had to get a little creative, but I still got one like a couple weeks in. These influencers could choose to do what I am doing, make videos that say what I say, yeah, if you have money and access to the products, heck yeah buy, but if not, here is how you can still have fun with what you do have. I am not saying that never happens, but there definitely is a leaning toward feeding a nonproductive anger that is basically meaningless... its like cmon, Nvidia isnt a cigarette company giving us cancer or a food company using GMO that needs to be held accountable, these are more or less luxury goods
With a 970?? that wont work too well... it will load, but it will drag your frame rate down soo low you will not be competitive, and you are not going to be able to crank the settings high enough to have fun from the graphics quality. On the Nvidia side, I have not tested extensively, but the testing I have done would suggest to me that up until something like maybe a 3070, if you want to not be at a competitive disadvantage you probably want to be playing at low or performance mode
Just make sure you actually get it for cheap or it defeats the purpose... as I said in this video, This one is almost entirely decided by price. I actually paid $60 for this card... which is way more than I should have, but it was a pristine and fairly nice example and I did not feel like hunting for a deal.
Until proven otherwise, the 980Ti is the highest performing card that I have tested under $100 (actually under $75 in many cases). It beats the rx590 and 1070 easily. There are tons available online, not just a one off. I rocked 3 different 9080Ti versions for a good 2 months. The problem for me was the power draw and sheer size. The cheapest 980Ti I had was $45 shipped and the guy had more than 10 in stock. The most I paid for a 980 Ti was $80 shipped because it was the AMP and it destroyed the base model 980Ti. I finally moved on because I have a small dell case and the card was just too much for only a 10 fps bump in COD MW2 at the time.
It does beat the 1070, but I dont think it would beat a 1080, and I do regularly pick those up around $80, even off of the open market like eBay. Id also argue that a 1070 is a better long term proposition... of coarse, it is also true that with the sub $100 purchase prices we are talking about here, buyers should not really be obsessed with longevity in the same way that say a 4070 buyer is
@@dragonsystems5973 Exactly the reasonI left the 980Ti. I wanted a 1080 of course, but cannot find a reasonably priced one in my area. The 1070 will hold me over until then. It runs cooler,draws less power, and matches my old setup anyway.
The 980 performs well enough that I would argue basically the whole deciding factor in the purchase should be price. If you pick one up for $40 or less I cant see you being disappointment, and some, like the unit I showed here are really gorgeous cards.
I do agree that the 900 series has shown to be generally quite stable and reliable. That being said, 10 years is a long time. Many if not most units you come across will have passed thru several owners at this point and had a lot of opportunity to be abused, so just make sure you do get it as cheap as possible, I would not advise anyone pay more than $50, and if you are looking for an actual deal, id advise no more then $35-$40, or better yet, be watching for someones old 6700K/7700K build they just want gone, with the card, for $100
You can play shooters, League of Legends, Gacha games are popular now, so many games that are in fact new and can run with an old card like this. Regardless of what is being said, it seems people are not really buying new gpus and play with old ones, most people. My 2060 super is amazing, I can play anything with high settings.
Yeah, I mean, right now I have everything from a 2008 GTX 260 to a brand new RTX 4090 in my collection, and I can grab any of those cards out of my collection and load it up, and find a game it can run that I enjoy and have fun on... I really can only conclude the cause is what has become a nearly toxic big name tech scene.. seriously.. they are soo bad, remember the ASUS thing going on right now? Yeah, channels that have nothing to do with that are now jumping on the train with comments like "well, we're not going to support ASUS" that did not need to be made, where not relevant to the video, and where only made so they could act... well... lets call it Tech Riotous... I dont support ASUS shenanigans, not at all, but the desperate need all of these channels obviously felt to participate in the whole thing, I just found it off putting. They have now all discovered what the media discovered decades ago, negativity and crisis sells
@@dragonsystems5973 Absolutely agree. I sawi the Asus drama and, I don't know. Another huge channel with the "Oh no, who are we going to buy from now" title. I bought from Biostar and it was fine, same other brands I think I had a Zotac too and XFX.
@@gamingtemplar9893 My thing is that Im not going to stop buying ASUS, nor am I going to intentionally buy ASUS. Ok, great, so they have demonstrated perhaps there was an issue, what they have not shown is that what is happening at ASUS is any worse than any other manufacturer, im not saying that makes it ok, but I guess I am saying it means the customer service management team at MSI and ASROCK are probably laughing their asses off because they know the shit they are doing is far worse than anything shown that ASUS did. But yeah, the desperate view grab on the part of every big name channel feeding off GN is really just pathetic, in my opinion.
My unpopular opinion, 30 FPS is playable, unless the game framepacing is shit, and this was the case of 90's pre 2005 games, 30 FPS was "great", I played a1t 20 and 15 some games because the PC could not handle more sometimes, we did not care really. Sure, today all games should be 60+ but it is not true that you can't play games at 30 FPS, this is an exaggeration like all the other things you were mentioning.
Actually, I find Cyberpunk very playable at 30FPS, as long as it is real 30 FPS, so if you are barely hitting it, then dropping to 10 and spiking to 50 it will be garbage, but true 30 FPS looks fine. This is typically the outcome when you pair a GPU with a mass OP CPU
@@josephdias5859 I think there is a very good chance that people who complain about 30 being too slow might not be getting true 30, they are spiking at 30 and really running in the low 20s, maybe my eyes just are not picky enough, but one of the fun exercises I like to do is drop some random old card in my 13900K build, and they almost always can hit 30 on cyberpunk 2077, and hold it solid, driven by the 13900k, and I always think it looks great. Ive stopped demoing the cards that way because, I mean, cmon, no one is going to be buying a 13900K then pairing it with a GTX 960 in the real world, I think the demos are far more useful pairing with combos people will actually use
@@dragonsystems5973 Its a large chance because 30fps with locked with consistent frame times can feel better than 60 fps with hard drops or scattered frametimes
I had the R9 380, a little bit faster than the 960 apparently but similar, 4gb version. Same for me, always loved hardware. Stopped in the last years, because of what you described, I still like it but well, I try to keep it as a tool for my needs, my work, not much more than that. I still have a 2009 case (Lian Li, the second cheap brand lancool), came with little handles to switch cards without screws and a bunch of "revolutionary" things from Lian Li's "king" of cases time. I might get a new system entirely for work and some games if my economy improves, I love high Vram cards, what more VRAM gives is always more interesting to me since I had a 64 megabytes Geforce 2 MX back in the day, most cards were 16mb or 32.
Its kinda dumb, it was not always this way. "back in the day" as it where, there where no "influencers" the closest we had where hardware magazines, and then the early days with like forums and Tomshardware. There was none of this constant Angst. If you could not afford a GTX 280, you said "oh well" and bought a GTX 260.. actually, come to think of it, considering that now everyone constantly complains about how bad all the new games are, I dont know why the same people care about how much new hardware costs, when they hate all the games that actually need said hardware to run... The whole thing has become stupid and honestly has gotten old and stale at this point.
