@@tannergames899 No one has routed the fight against Tehom in a speedrun context so I don't know specifically how different it would be. That being said Tehom has 100k hp instead of Mastema's 60k and is intended to be fought with a magic build. The general consensus since the beginning is that Chaos is the faster route for any%. Mastema is also easier to setup against defensively which is convenient since we don't need to switch our setup too much against him. If we were to fight Tehom we'd probably need to switch up our setup a fair bit. Chaos/Law route are not that different in this game so the leaderboard is not even separate in SRC. Fighting Tehom might become a thing in some other category like 100%.
@@Jonperi23 huh, didn’t know there was that much of an hp gap as someone who did the law route when I played it, after that was interested in possibly running the game since it have a lot more potential than the original. Cool to know 👍
@@tannergames899 I noticed the HP difference immediately when I was doing all the endings. Tehom is the classic "1 hour long" Atlus final boss and I believe it's the ending that they push you to get. Mastema's fight budget was noticeably lower than Tehom's, but still fun imo.
I'm sure you watched the VOD by now, but the reason you didn't have the 2 phys dampeners for the Yakumo fight was because you used them in the super scuffed Power Horde fight.
Yeah, you're right. I had completely wiped that fight off my memory during the run, but I actually ended up realizing that way later and brought it up in the VOD.
nice run, btw why dont you skip the beginning cutscene where they tell you not to take the girl's hand, in ng+ its def skippable for a minute of time save, is it not skippable on ng?
She is no longer counted as DLC because she is part of the base game. So Artemis, Cleopatra and Mephisto are now usable. Konohana Sakuya and Dagda are still ruled as DLC.
Pinning the route here for anyone who would like to learn the run: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kX4N5FU0YMUbx_CDXjdsOtu8aVJnILNrvzX4ZkS0Lf4/edit?usp=sharing Edit: Future Jon here to hijack the comment (and leeching off of the high traffic of this video, shh). This run has been done on an outdated version of the route, me and shaggy improved the route further and the WR is currently sitting at 3:50:36! Here's a link to the WR VOD which uses the updated route featuring mom- I mean Cleopatra ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LN9ZCViwEKk.html
The addition of innate skills like pandemonic feast will be really relevant for canon of creation routes. Reduced lvl scaling will definitely play a big part as well. The canon of creation routes will look totally different from vanilla.
I imagine the TNE route won't change too much since you still need to hit level 80 to access the Shiva fight. But you will definitely have a lot of new teambuilding options.