In this channel, I review, discuss, and demonstrate the true essence of “Aiki and Jiu” as in Aikijujutsu and Jiu-Jitsu. What makes a technique actually work, can it be achieved with less effort, and is it viable in both worlds. My main goal is to bridge the gap between the Japanese grappling arts of Aikijujutsu/Aikido and modern Jiu-Jitsu to prove that neither are poor martial arts, and both can contribute to enhance the quality of each.
I hold the a 2nd degree black belt in Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu, a brown belt in Judo, and a black belt in Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.
This is not a correct Ikyo pin. Now the basic ceremonial pin is not a real application pin in Aikido anyway. It's the safe and polite pin. So it's not the most effective pin depending on who you are pinning. The pin demonstrated in this video is not correct, however, from the placement of the rear knee, not spreading the knees into her ribs and next to her wrist, the angle of the arm, the placement of the hands, and not leaning with full body weight. Here is a better example: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YLd8nHeXAQU.html Most people will not be able to roll out of the pin if done correctly.
Thanks for the reply. Yes this is a short example of how many dojo finish the pin. There is another full video (not reel) where I demonstrate additional details from Daito Ryu that you are also referencing. 🙏
@@Aiki_and_Jiu You made a reel from a video and then presented it as a straw man. Demonstrating the alleged problems with an Aikido pin. If the larger video provides more context you left that out in the reel. In fairness, many in Aikido also do the pin wrong. But this reel presents Aikido in a bad light. The fact is that what you showed, and said was not an effective pin in Aikido, was simply not a good demonstration of the Aikido pin. My only purpose is to encourage a more honest presentation of Aikido in the internet that reflects quality Aikido.
Very similar in structure and appearance to kata guruma, but technically it is koshi guruma from the second set of the curriculum. It partly depends on which way the arm is captured (inside or outside). But yes, it all looks similar to a fireman’s carry.
Thanks for leaving in the end part where the student tries the move. So many black belts never let anyone do the move on them but I think it's very instructive to see you guide the student through the movements since they could do something that you didn't expect and think to have to explain.
You can turn behind her with tenkan step and therefore she can’t pull her arm. But let’s say she did pull her arm back you can change your grip and go for sankyo I hope it helps you 👍🏻
Interesting stuff. I'm fascinated between the difference between wake gatame and ikkyo. My muscle memory gives me ikkyo from a strike whereas my Jiu Jitsu school teaches wake gatame. One of the black belts at my club described ikkyo as a bad wake gatame, which I believe is very wrong.
Thanks for the comment. Yes they are two very different techniques. Along the same logic as your black belt, one could say waki gatame is just a bad juji gatame. Juji gatame uses the legs for power, waki gatame uses the armpit, and ikkyo uses the palm/lower arm. However, all are straightening the opponent’s arm to attack the elbow, but there is much more to each technique.
Aiki techniques have always been part of JJ, just because a lot of Aikido dojos are trash doesn't mean you can't use them effectively. Lots of techniques work on the street, security or LE situations. Great job
I'm back at this video after we did some Ura Otoshi drilling yesterday, I might make a video on a no gi idea for it that seems to work for me, I busted my calf muscle a bit so I'll have to be careful for a few days haha, if we make that video I'd love your feedback on it!
Happy to discuss. There’s much more that can be taught on this technique. The main point is that uke needs to have their foot forward on the same side as the grip.
Your doing Sankyo wrong so suppose be close the person It is a joint of the wrist it is not at the wrist you hold the palm it can be use to disarm a knife I'm learning Aikido (Morihei Ueshiba)
I internal arts, there are concepts of opening the joints to use the full power of the surrounding regions of said joint, for example when you open the shoulder joint, you would feel all the tension gone and you connect better to your back, i noticed this is something that exists in aikijujitsu and aikido, where you creat a unified unit with your back in addition to circular motions, what is your opinion on this?
Thanks for the comment. I agree with the internal training process. Difficult to reshape the body, and even more difficult to apply during live training.
@@Aiki_and_Jiu Taiji is the hardest of the internal martial arts to both learn and to fight with, because it reshapes the body where every joint become a spring loaded with potential energy, through standing exercises and practicing the form, and then going to what is called tuishou(not the wrestling variant since it is fake but a training where both of our arms collide and turn and stick to each other in an effort to punch or unbalance the opponent and issue force),and then free fighting called san shou, and the most mysterious internal art is bagua, since no one really knows the fighting method in which it used, but the power generation methods are known, and the often simplified art is xingyiquan which appears simple since it doesn't contain a lot in it's syllabus, but beneath the surface, it's five punches are how the body should function in the internal martial art framework.
I enjoyed this. I tend to think of the pins as weapon takeaways rather than pins in a grappling sense. I still think the uke is more mobil than it seems. One factor that is built into the ukemi is looking away by the uke. ( you hinted at this in the blooper reel) The pins are less effective (or even not effective) if uke is looking at nage. The spine rotation is different. Also you're not controlling the hips, rather than rolling they can chase their pined arm like an americana escape.
Fake. There is only a perception of what is potentially happening where a student reacts to their teacher. A strong shout/kiai will definitely create an off balancing effect, as well as a feigned blow to a vital area, but there is no physical force applied that moves the student.
Hi, been a fan for some time now, love your work and I wanted to ask if there'a a chance you'd be willing to do a livestream chat about aikido/aikijitsu, we share a similar passion with these arts and I'd love to chat about it, let me know, regardless thanks for what you do! ✌
I know this is from over a year ago, but if she kicks up with her rear leg, it will help with the ukemi. So if the right arm is stretched out ahead, kick with the left. That will help with the momentum to smooth out the roll.
Mate you are now my favourite channel. I have been training aikido (kenkyukai) since September. I did Machado BJJ three years ago but quit with a shoulder injury. As of this week I have gone back to BJJ, gingerly as a 50 year-old two stripe white belt. I have not quit aikido though. Event after one week back at BJJ I can see the synergies, particularly in the importance of maintaining connection. I discovered your channel yesterday and it really struck a chord. I’ll work through all your videos. Also, congratulations on the BJJ black belt. I know how much work that took.
Thanks. It would be difficult to gain wrist control from a collar tie without compromising your posture and balance. With that said, kote gaeshi would be very feasible if you rested your hand on their arm while in a collar tie. As they retreat the arm or reposition, that would be the opportunity.
@@Aiki_and_Jiu Thanks for the response. I'm having difficulty picturing it, would it be something like this:ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vKC9P8dLcho.html
@@Aiki_and_Jiu Thank you for the response, I don't understand, would it be something like this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vKC9P8dLcho.html
Love it !!! Waki Gatame is my top 3 for tournaments. I learned it in aikido but modified it by securing the collar grab with 2 hands and then sticking my same-side foot into Uke's hip to stretch out Uke's arm out before doing a shift to do the elbow lock.
Just found this, brilliant explanation and demonstration of these pins with the addition of those nice little but extremely effective tweaks. Thank you!
YES. These kinds of useful and valuable techniques exist all over internal arts like Aikido, Taiji and Daito Ryu. People get too dismissive, without feeling it for themselves before making up their mind. Too bad. I love seeing people cut through the trolling, and instead evaluating things for themselves.
Taught Aikido in 3 MMA academies in Beijing (swapping lessons with the BJJ bbelt teachers from USA, Pedro Sauer students) for 3 years before opening my own dojo. The pins work. Most don't know how (for a number of reasons). Enjoyed watching this. It notes accurate fine tunings. There are many more subtle points that make a world of difference.
hello , I love your channel , great stuff , somehow I have missed this video and want to humbly comment on it , the big problem I see here is that this is not really Aiki-age in true sense, it's jiu-jutsu clever joint manipulation done mostly by your ams , aiki is a bit different , and in your example uke somehow cooperates with the nage to make it work, don't get me wrong , I can clearly see that you put each other arm pressure even body weight, but human body is more complicated than that as u surely know, and the problem is neither you (when you act as uke) nor your uke make any attempts at regaining your balance when the technique starts you just keep maintaining the power vector the same, except at one point at 4.11 , whn u stopped performing passive pressure and wih a tiny movement regained your balance started changing your attack vector and the result is clearly failure on part of of your partner but your explanation of her pulling her arms resulting too much in her failure is not true, u just stopped appliying passive pressure and did what an average human will do u just adjusted your center and changed your attack vector and continued your attack like any normal will do , try this with an average joe who has absolutely no martial art training, and you will realise as soon as you pull your arms back they will shit their weight vector and will push you to make your arms impossible to move and disrupt your balance, and it is also very apparent both of you as experienced martial artists can still freely move your bodies as the techinique is applied, this is not aiki in any sense, its still jiu-jitsu and can work on some situations , but aiki involves using your center (hara or tanden whatvever u like to call) not your arms to lock the ukes center so uke can't adjust his balance to or use power because he lost its balance point and cant adjust you no more and is dependent on you just to keep balance , so with due respect your version is still a bit fake but this is very understandable aiki is a bitch to learn and it's so counterintuitive and real aiki must look fake cause its not an arm movemet it involves the whole body to use , and boy it is sooooo hard to do properly. but this example altrhough looks similar is not aiki-age wil not work against most of the people cause just hollding strong is just part of the game normal people unconcouisly will move shift their wieght vector and regain their balance as soon as they feel something fishy is going on like you pulling your arms in , and the rest is not gonna happen , aiki is not magic or voodoo but its also not very basic physics , i it requires a skill to completely control your mind and body in pursuit of total control of your own body , unift and separate parts of your body at will and once u achive that u, are not really doing any technique other than to yourself , and the uke will be so unbalanced and unresponsive in pursuit to regain his balance it will become stiff and the rest will be as easy as moving any object, so what u do here is skilfull jiujutsu but there is zero aiki involved, and we should not try to rationalize things we dont really understand to please other peoples prejudices, if aiki was easy , there will be million people doing it, but theres maybe 1000 people who can do aiki and theres only 100s who can do it high level, just my to cents, and absolutely no disrespect to you and thanks for the content and great channel. cheers and all the best.
@@Aiki_and_Jiu welcome to the club man , I have been doing aiki related arts since 25 years and I can do 2 % percent aiki stuff and can do parlor tricks to make my friends laugh , but got stuck there , than I started pursuing it like crazy and found out the rabbit hole is so deep its unbelievable, for example when I asked the late Saito sensei why he doesn't have aiki although his jujitsu is otherworldly he replied , I have no need for it , but I could see the bitterness and sadness in his eyes , then I found out he was a bit angry because as a life long caretaker, uchideshi and retainer of O'sensei he was not able to perform aiki but Hirosawa sensei who became a student of Ueshiba much much later and was only a part time uchideshi can make you fall or freeze u without touching as long as he can look in to your eyes directly even if for a tiny second , then when I asked about him How can u learn this, he replied, You can't learn true aiki by any means, it is gifted to you when u become pure at heart ( a baby heart was his exact wording ) and said as long as u have a warriors mind u will not be gifted with aiki, if u read musashis (who havent lost a duel in his life) book of five rings , he clearly states he never winned a battle because he knew The way of strategy , which is his way of labeling aiki, he says he reached the secret in his later years when he completely abandoned all desire of fighting and winning, so I now I reached the conclusion that true aiki is not a martial skill its a kind of enlightement or a state of mind and I will never reach it by pursuing martial arts, and historically when u look at it , koryu kenjutsu schools dont ever try to reach this kind of things because as they are completely designed for warfare , the presence of a sword or deadly weapon and the idea of certain death was enough for your opponent to become stiff and schocked which creates a aiki like effect on ukes mind and body . sorry for the ramble man but I just wanted to point out that aiki is a very misunderstood concept , and trying to prove that it is not voodoo or magic is a waste of time , cause we completely lack the understanding and as u probably know even masters of budo arts disagree on the topic what aiki is and what not, so it is a mystery as u say, and I'm pretty sure that it will become as such forever, respect and keep up the good work.
