watch SSSS.Gridman and SSSS. Dynazenon it a soft reboot of 1993 live action show call "Gridman" It has a unique style, great atmosphere and uncanny feeling if you want something like Evangelion i highly recommend especially Dynazenon that are more focus on the characters Drama
the apothecary one number two shown from the start of the video is not anime it is made in China Donghua if i remember correctly chinese animation is Donghua
I think another thing that contributes to the death of avant-garde anime is the fact that anime fans and people in general just have shorter attention spans nowadays. People need to be spoon-fed information within a short time period to keep their attention or the anime gets dropped. Even in the case of Wonder Egg Priority, they had to make the anime exciting enough to even grab enough fans to follow the experimental plot. Of course, if an anime is genuinely boring, it makes sense why people would drop, but anime with well-written slow burn plots deserve as equal a chance as something like a shounen.
Have you seen Nekojiru and Night on the Galactic Railroad. They are based on manga in Nekojirus case and Night on the Galactic Railroad cat version with the novel as main base, but they are also artistical, especially Night on the Galactic Railroad that is a children movie, but is instead of happy it is melancholic.
I’ve been planning to watch Nekojiro for a while, maybe I’ll finally get on that. Will look into Night on the Galactic Railroad too. Thanks for the recommendations!
Recent ones i dont think people can argue are Demon Slayer Frieren jjk HXH .Even tho Frieren and JJK i thought are really good either way ,when i started reading Demon Slayer and HXH i thought they were just overhyped as hell ,the story is really good but you cant tell me Togashi's art compares to how good the show looked 24/7.
Tl:dr for everyone, it's like having gold- the first time it's special but as you get more it's lost it's unique value. It's all the same thing Not to say anime is bad or trash nowadays- but don't get me wrong there's a more then decent amound of it- just that it's all the same. Like a hospital where everything has to be white, that weird green or another colour and NOTHING else, creativity was consumed by corporate greed for money and I hope we see a renaissance of the industry. Or back to a simpler time if you will, I can't be the only one who misses the older art style of the early 2000's and 2010's; now every anime has grade A level art and animation with those few chibi scene's, it's either too serious or to comedic, the stories are recycled to death and beyond while characters are- like what the hell is going on? English names, Japanese names; is this anime or am I watching a DnD session?
Not just anime, but fiction in general. Even Star Wars was a weird concept when it came out. Dune is probably the most bizarre story I've read, and now modern sci-fi is just bland. Even modern crime thrillers are safe and bland compared to early movies. I agree that we need more weirdness and originality in writing and tv, and anime is the best place I can find weird stuff.
That definitely makes sense with my experience. To give a related view, with the internet there’s been a current of hyper analysis and feelings that more things are “correct.” Less instinctual, less crazy; a lot of times on my own amateur world I can hear the Pitch Meeting jokes about it. “So why do they do that?” “So the movie can happen!” And that’s not a result of mean-spiritedness, but Spirited Away wouldn’t be written by someone trying to explain something to their hyper-analytical writer friends.
I've only watched one that used confusion to its advantage. So, if I'm going to watch an anime where the point is confusion, I would have to be told that. So, reviewers are really needed here. I remember the first time I watched the madoka magica movie, and I didn't even watch the original series. I found the first scene very cringe and childish. I assumed it was some sort of children's anime. I put it off until I watch some reviewers review the series. Once I had watched the original series based off of the reviews. I was definitely in a much better spot to watch the movie. Good news, from what I can remember of that second but more thorough watch, I don't believe I was spoiled in the movie. So the confusion works to its full effect. I think just people getting the word out about series that are using confusion intentionally, rather than unintentionally, could work to solve this problem. After all, it worked for madoka magica for me
Maybe the reason why they don’t make “experimental anime” anymore because they are not as wanted…? After all, the most successful anime in terms of revenue is Pokemon, grossing $ 100 billion in sales - more than five times the sales of Neon Genesis Evangelion, which is the only successful “experimental” anime in terms of revenue. Such anime like “Serial Experimental Lain” will always only attract minorities. They are the anime version of “waiting on Godot”.
Anime budgets are usually only and always funded by a board of investors so there is always very low odds of a project getting funded unless it have a manga backing or a promising staffing. Mappa has been able to push out a few anime onlys with their staff but they've been hit or miss. Buchigirri was made by a very promising director but it was quite terrible. Anime's funding and production process overall really need a reformatting, it's something they've been protesting for but it's been looking like a losing battle.
@@halcyon.x blah blah blah not everything has to be japanese , yes it originated in japan but we can still make it independent from Japanese culture and make it solely english
Add "Shiki" to your avant guard list of classic anime. It starts off as a paranormal mystery show... and ends like Paranormal Apocalypse Now. But yeah, anime is good but its formulaic and corporate. The more you watch the more you realize Japan isnt anymore creative then Americans are, their tropes and cliches are just different. You'll see them over and over again to the point where you can be just as bored.
I don't agree that in the mid 2000s you could watch everything that came out. It depended on the season. If you've seen something like Spring 2006, it was bloody massive. I guess you might have been able to keep up with everything subbed, as fansubbing isn't what official subs are today. As for the trying to keep audience attention part, I recall Masahiro Ando complaining about that when Canaan released in 2009, that there was this massive pressure to make sure episode 1 was done right, because audiences can't be bothered to give a series time anymore. I remember a staff member who worked on So Ra No Wo To complaining about how audiences want characters to die too much and can't appreciate the fact that characters survive, which I also think is a bit relevant. I think the reason the dialogue was so overly explainy in Metallic Rouge was because the series was a compromised mess that tried to tell a 2 cour story in half the amount of time. Yutaka Izubuchi's previous original work at Bones, RahXephon, did have a nice blend of trippy and atmospheric moments alongside some terminology that is standard in mecha anime. With this, I just think it suffered from a lot of compromises. You did kind of hit the nail on the head at the end, it's becoming more and more difficult to make original anime at all anymore. I tried watching every original that came out last year (didn't end up watching all of them) but from what I saw, it just felt like a shell of its former self. There is just a struggle to make due both in the time allotted and keeping the production strong. And the production issues are commonplace across the industry. I think something like Hikari no Ou feels in common with what you are referring to, but that is a series that struggled and struggled with its production. The industry is too crowded and the demand is way higher than what can be provided, and a lot of audiences in particular want to watch something they are already somewhat familiar with (whether it be what they heard through word of mouth or if they read the manga already). That's personally why I kinda don't think anime is in the best state its been. Like you can get excellent adaptation work such as with Pluto, Bocchi the Rock, Summertime Render, but it feels more and more like we just get a lot of half hearted adaptations that fail to give me too much of a reason to watch it as opposed to reading the source material, compromised anime (whether it be original or adaptation) that are trying to do something different but can't because it is too short, production issues, or what have you, as well as pointless remakes of classic series as opposed to works that could stand to be remade, and just a loss of a lot of the kind of stuff I'm personally interested in. Whereas I can pick a random show from 2007 and probably find something distinct (I was really surprised by Studio Deen's output at the time in particular, it was a lot better than people give it credit for imo). Not to downplay the strengths and achievements of some recent excellent titles of course, I don't want to be one of those folks who is like "anime stinks now" because I don't really subscribe to that, and I am excited to watch more recent titles that interest me as well as the ones people have been talking about to see what all the talk is about. But there has definitely been a lot lost in recent years.
Yeah when I was saying you could watch every anime in a season, I was meaning more every one that seems interesting to you or has been highly acclaimed. Metallic Rouge definitely had a lot more problems than what I mentioned in the video. I think you’re right about them having to jam way too much into a single cour which really compromised the story. It really is a shame because it had a lot of potential.
@@PointyBoi Hm, I see what you mean though I think some of it is clouded a bit by the nature of the culture back then (not everything being subbed, or being subbed slowly) as well as what is still remembered as being worth watching versus what was considered worth watching back then. Like School Rumble, for example, was a massive romcom at the time and received really high scores on MAL, but nowadays I don't really see that many recommending it. Though admittedly, a lot of this comes down to personal opinion, of course, so I won't harp on it too much. Metallic Rouge was actually supposed to be longer but the producers got cold feet and only allotted funding for 13 episodes. I don't know why exactly they couldn't just leave the 13 episodes alone, and then make 13 more if the series was successful, considering they wanted to make it a franchise anyway. That still doesn't make sense to me. I don't know why they thought having it unbelievably rushed would've sold audiences on wanting to see more. Either way, regardless of those points, I thought it was an enjoyable video. Thanks for taking the time to respond to my comment, as well!
@RogerSmith2004 Yeah fair enough, I didn’t really consider the fact that not everything would have been subbed back then since I’ve never really had to deal with that. It also makes sense that only the better shows from back then would be remembered/talked about these days. Hey it’s no trouble responding man, I genuinely appreciate high effort discussion like this.
honestly it will always depend on the manga, bc i think Frieren with only 18 pages each and a heavy emphasis on time is kind of constrained by its own medium, so it doesn't have the quota to have extravagant battle scenes, and minutes of loitering in between cities that the anime could have and capitalise on. meanwhile i think that Fujimoto's use of panels will never be recreated in anime (i love the csm anime, i mean more ike the cuts in Fire Punch followed by a double page spread)
Solid points. I haven't read Fire Punch yet, but am definitely more interested in it now based on what you're saying since I really like interesting use of panelling in manga.
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Going from the 90s style anime of berserk (which I think is great), to the awful looking 3d adaptation from 2016 just leaves you asking yourself why they even made the new one in the first place. Although it has mostly to do with style, and I understand that 3d animation still had some work to do at the time, I think it destroys the point of animating manga in the first place, it's both the visuals and the story that should work toghether to form the perfect artpiece. P.S I hope that the berserk manga will one day get a good adaptation that redeemes itself as the masterpiece it is.
Depends on the genre I think. For anything action heavy then yeah definitely, but even if something like Oyasumi Punpun had a good anime adaptation, I think I would still rather read that kind of story than watch it.
no that's anime and who haven't read a manga yet think, art in msnga us alot better m, and pacing and other components, anime is usually a downgrade adaptation
Manga Readers are only 75-85% always right when it comes to manga superiority over anime adaptations. Still there were really good anime adaptation over the manga source material like the original Saint Seiya, Frieren, and Jujutsu Kaisen. Next year we are getting Tougen Anki, and I am really interested to see if they won't censor anything for the international version since there is a lot of blood, guns, certain dialogue scene that american corporations will definitely cut, and violence in this manga.
Fair enough, I personally really liked the art direction of the chainsaw man anime. In contrast I disliked the direction they went with in the Jigokuraku adaptation. I guess it just comes down to personal taste
I mean it's hard to write a good story and obviously people will have their own disagreements on what a good story is or on whether or not the direction of the story works. It can be very much a bummer though when you spend all that time on something only for it to not end up meeting expectations. But it's not always the fault of the people working on it, since this is a very hectic industry and there's a lot of limitations that aren't always easy to work around. Even if those were the intentions and I didn't agree with those artistic intentions, I still would like to at least be grateful for the enjoyment that it did manage to provide me.
Yeah straight up, as much as I rip on something like Wonder Egg, they still managed to make a story that completely enthralled me and a lot of others for a little bit, which especially as an anime original with no source material is always going to be a difficult thing to do. I just wish they could have kept that quality going, but what can you do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Obviously Lain is a lot deeper conceptually than Wonder Egg, I was more so comparing the originality of their stories. Even if you didn’t like Wonder Egg, you at least must agree that it’s pretty original right?
If you genuinely think the Wonder Egg ending and the Evangelion ending are even close to comparable then I don't know what to tell you man. Guess I'm a clown ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@PointyBoi not saying wonder egg priority ending was good but at least I understood what was going on and wasn’t pretentiously artsy. Your content is good bro btw just giving a hot take
I think it's normal that a series' ending has such a big impact on us. Especially if it's bad. But at the same time, I don't think we should expect an ending to "make our time watching worthwhile". I continued watching WEP because I wanted to see the ending, not because I really enjoyed it. That's why I thought the show was bad (the ending just solidified it for me). On the other hand, I enjoyed Erased until the very last episode so I just call it a good anime with a bad ending. For a story to be truly great, the ending should be as good as the rest of it. Of course, it's impossible to please everyone, but the creator should still try to end the story in a satisfying way.
Solid points, but for me personally something like Berserk will always be great regardless of whether it has a bad ending or even an ending at all. I’ve never read or watched One Piece, but I’m sure fans of that feel the same way
I didn't think ERASED's ending was terrible. Bad, sure, but it was still at least satisfying enough to not make me want more. I didn't have a thousand more questions after watching it. I was mostly annoyed by how obvious the killer was. I also didn't watch ERASED until sometime after I finished Wonder Egg Priority and Promise Neverland's anime, so my standards for what makes a bad ending for an anime were really low at that point.
I cannot stand Hellsing, however I think it would be an awesome live action adaptation. I feel like they can really bring it to life with awesome gore effects and less bullshit. It would be so fun.
Code Geass is absolutely worth it, Its ending is highly acknoledged as the best ending in all of anime which is truely impressive and worth the watch simply because of it.
The ending must be at minimun decent, predictible even, the problem is that a lot of bad endings happened when the author wants to do a final twist and failing it and at that point there is no way back, AoT has a potential great ending, but bad executed, just need an edit pull it off
Hunter X Hunter is probably the best real-life experiment one can do on differing tastes. Almost everonye loves it, but for very differing reasons. I'm still baffled that there are people who think the early episodes were crap. For me, it's pretty much exactly the other way around: I would have loved to see more of the early episodes in style and undo the whole Nen thing. Bit like FMA vs FMA Brotherhood. Between the two, there's very few people who don't love either one or the other, but almost never both.
I genuinely can't comprehend how someone could not like the nen system, but I guess there's also people out there that like hamon more than stands in Jojo. Differing tastes do be kinda whack.
@@PointyBoi To be fair, Nen is pretty good for what it does. I just didn't like the switch from talented, extraordinary *humans* to yet another power-level centered quasi-magic martial art anime. Plenty of those around. But not many adventure stories like the hunter exam arc. I felt a bit bait and switched in a bad way. Still a great series though, and definitely one of my all time favourites.
Many people love both. Imo why I do is because the stuff the original adapts is better than fmab. But the stuff the original didn’t adapt, fmab did better
I thought ERASED was one of these animes that was great but with a horrible ending, but then i watched it again knowing all the twists and where the story was headed and it became even better than i thought it was when i was watching for the first time.
I for one enjoyed the erased ending. It was complete and didnt leave things hanging. I think why people hated it was because kayo does not end up with satoru.
