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Unless I’ve broken some rules this is my take on this. Eulogy giving 2 AP after creeping in a revel makes this possible Rabble: 7 Jack + lose a life: Eulogy runegate: 5 Creepers revel: Deathly: 9 Break chain: Revel + quill: Destruction: 13 Total = 35
Hey! Appreciate the comment! So I am pretty sure you only get 1 AP from revel if you creepers it. The eloquence should not give you a second one. I’m not a judge though. That’s just been my understanding/experience! I put a new puzzle in my stream last night which does come out to 35 dmg tho! Insane Vynn turns
Puzzle #1: Start of turn, banish Annihilation Send Widespread Destruction (6+3) Tunic into Ebon Fold, banish Ruin, draw Annihilation Pitch Annihilation to Creepers in Mauv for AP Crack Quillhands, crack Grimoire, play Read the Runes Send Annihilation (6+5) Send Ruin (6+3) TOTAL = 29 Puzzle #2: Two lines, one relies on unknown 5th card from top of deck. If 5th card is 3 value or better, speculative line is better. Banish Revel Pitch Annihilation, play AoW for buffs and draw, banishing Ruin to draw Funeral Moon x2 (2 resource float) Send Widespread Ruin (7+2) Creepers Pumpkin banishing Wail, pay life (1 resource float, 1AP) Close chain - banish Vantom Wraith from top From here we have diverting paths. Path #1 with only known information: Crack Grimoire, play Funeral Moon, respond to Eloquence with second Moon to go up to 3 AP Send Deathly Wail (7+3) Close chain, send Vantom Wraith (7+2) Crack Quillhands, send Flail (1+2) TOTAL = 31 Path #2 with unknown 5th card: Crack Ebon Fold, banishing Funeral Moon, drawing Unknown Pitch second Moon, crack Grimoire, play Funeral Moon from Banish (2AP) Crack Quillhands, send Deathly Wail (7+4) Close chain, send Vantom Wraith (7+2) TOTAL = 29 but with an added unknown card that could deliver anywhere from 2 (Shadow Puppetry + Flail + additional banish) to 4 (Revel, Gloomveil) additional damage.
Holy cow swan! Those are some well thought out lines! Those are the highest damage lines so far, looks like you are 4 for 4 (if you count the previous vid!) Nasreth would be proud o7. I'll keep the puzzles coming, going to try 1 per stream and have it be a bit more thought out as far as set up goes! Thanks as always! Appreciate your brain 🧠
Play Pattern Spoilers Below (there's lots of variety available with where you use your equipment): Ravenous Rabble (4+3) Jack O Lantern, pay life Revel in Runeblood Deathly Wail (5+5) Tunic Creepers Revel in Runeblood Crack Quillhands Send Widespread Destruction (6+8) TOTAL = 31 Not finding any more to squeeze out of this one.
Not much of a Vynnsett gamer but I tried the puzzles anyway because it was interesting and happened to come across this video. For puzzle 1 I got the 26 Damage line (The line that was mentioned in the video.) For puzzle 2: Banish Deathly Wail, Ravenous (4+2), Quillhand, Lantern (Pay 1 life), Wail (6+3), Close the chain, Grimoire + Creepers (Pitching Annihilation), Read the Runes, Widespread Ruin (5+6) Total of 26 Damage. (I assume lines with Anihilation would be better if you want disruption though).
Deep down we are all Vynn gamers! Yea line 2 was sick! I didn’t see it at the moment so thanks for calling it out! 🤌 Appreciate you watching the video. Going to add more puzzles in the stream tonight!
Creepers puzzles are bomb. I got 25 max, same line as you said, except bounding only comes in for 3 because its not from arsenal. Would enjoy seeing more creepers puzzels in your longform content or as standalone pieces.
Thanks so much! Appreciate the heads up! I think I’ll do stand alone vids for them in a week or so. Mostly just streaming for now. Also going to try posting a weekly puzzle and see who can get the best line. 💜
Hey! Welcome to FaB! Yes you do, it definitely makes the hero a bit harder to play and could be a difficult hero to pick as your first BUT she is real rewarding. If you need a group there is a general fab discord. I can link ya, just let me know! I may make one too but holding off for now, pondering the type of culture I’d wanna push for. Thanks for watching! Holla if you have more questions 💜
paused video for my line: banish eloquent, attack with widespread for 2 runechants and 6 damage, activate creepers with floating resource, play beseech targeting eloquent gaining an action point, pay for unpreventable using vynnset, close chain, banish demigon, pop quillhand for 2 runechants, play eloquent for 2 runechants and 7 damage, close chain, create eloquence token and play funeral moon at instant speed (due to damage taken from vynnset ability) with go again (thanks to eloquence token) gaining a runechant and an action point, play swarming for 1 runechant and 4 damage, play demigon for 4 damage. 26 damage total.
Close! This is the max damage we found but the one issue is widespread needs 3 chants to send. So I think we have to send eulogy first. Let me know if I’m mistaken! Thanks for watching 💜
@@mattsmith6629 haha you and me both brother. It happens! The line should be in the video or I can post it here if that’s helpful. Didn’t wanna spoil for viewers. Hint: Start with Eulogy
at 51:00ish, i dont think you take the life to puppetry. You are sending 10 + 2 this turn, they would need to give you full hand and equipment to block it all out (which zen wont do), no reason not to keep a life
@@FaBtin1185 Its really difficult to assess this, but zen is a good matchup to keep in mind for this. every hp counts and they really dont wanna block at all
In the first game against niko, in the last turn, the block didnt make any sense. If you know you need to keep an NAA to get the demigon out, you also need to banish a non-bd card, So you need to keep rumpkin and revel, and block with the other 2 ;) Sure, you probably didnt care at that point cuz the game was obviously lost, but just felt like mentioning it, cuz it could come up ^^
@@FaBtin1185 yea it really didnt matter, just wanted to point it out since we should learn even on these dumb mistakes that didnt really have a consequence :D
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I like it but not as much into redline or skitter. Anything that does 2 arcane is nice to me, since most ppl only bring AB 1 into runeblade. So you get to leak damage !
@@FaBtin1185 Hmm i understand. Whats your opinion on mordred tide? I love that you can chain Deathly Wail into Deathly Wail into Deathl Wail with it but i dont see it in your lists! Is it not worth it?
@@fleecemane2638 it requires very specific setups to work properly. Sure it can enable the biggest explosive turns that exist in vynnset, but most of the time in real games its just another bricky card that blocks 3. We are looking for cards that enable our turns not clunky cards that need even more specific setups to do anything
After watching that Kayo game im completely convinced we should run husk into them. Whenever brain thinks "race" it translates to husk. Its so much tempo and in races there wont be enough time for it to hurt you. Also Kayo plays clunky cards (0 blocks) so they cant fatigue you, they need to play those hands out. Probably levia as well, since they need to continue banishing cards once they start and that means they arent full blocking to fatigue you, right?
I totally see this! I’m gonna try sideboarding in husks for a bit against brute (for sure Kayo, wanna ponder for levia) I’m very reliant/in love with tunic for the free creepers resource but husk is probably a great call. I need to think more about husk into levia. It’s probably good/right but I do think if they flip to their demi side they are able to block a bit more if they keep 1 blue In hand. But they also getting fatigued at that point. I’m gonna ponder this. I appreciate the perspective Raziel!!
That Bounding at 24ish minutes. I think i wouldve sent flail. It guarantees eloquence sure, but also makes it so your reduce is free if they allow it to hit. Would go for bounding if the banish was more full, but demigon is one of the easiest cards to get out from banish so theres no real pressure to do it asap and the damage wasnt all that threatening (yet). Just my 2 cents Oooooh you had tunic up and didnt care about the chant discounting reduce, i see.
@@matthewespiritu7403 It really depends what your goal is, if they are set on not blocking, flails reward is better setup for next turn and therefore they feel more pressure to block it. If you want to do damage then its demigon. Im personally really afraid of bricked up 4 NAA hands so having a banished attack that can easily be played is a great deal. But it def isnt a clear cut decision, theres values to both sides and if you wanted to be optimal youd probably need to run the odds of what the texture of your next hand is going to be
I see this take. I was conflicted on that turn. I’m gonna ruminate on this a bit. I generally favor setup over damage so the flail play was definitely pulling me. I also have the nightmares of the full NAA hand. That partially why I run scepter (although it did no work last night lol). If I didn’t have tunic I think I would have approached that differently. Just waking up so I’ll follow up if my thoughts change once the brain is fully awake lol. Appreciate the takes both of you!
@@FaBtin1185 I thinks in general one should talk about the diffent concepts. When to set up and when you HAVE to keep up the pressure! Iam never sure myself so an in depth guide to this problem would be nice as well!
46:43 Play beseech. Attack with widespread Ruin. Use spellbound creeper to cast revel in rune blood and finish with your weapon. Next turn you could have do the same with tunic this time! 52:00 You push the dmg trough with play besech cause of vynsett ability. So you get dmg for sure to keep your creepers alive. Next turn you use the creepers again with tunic and 2 activations is more than i have in most game D: But maby , just maby, iam just bad :D
I think vs Nu you have to beat her as quick as possible. Once she put enough card into the blood debt zone, you are done. Thats why i play everything when they can and let them banish my cards so i have enough gas to finish her. Thats why i use creepers as soon as i can!
You're def not bad! Ahhh I see your line of thinking here. I don't think it is wrong. I just approach it differently. Appreciate the line call outs! Always like the perspective i'm going to think on these. From my POV 46:43. I agree you want to keep the gas going against Nuu, the way I do that is through incants and getting those out early. Thins my deck so I hopefully don't get runeblade hands. Also I am always a lil hesistant to activate creepers unless I have a really big turn to go off as once creepers has a bind counter, I think very competitive players will know to destroy it. But also maybe i am just bad :D lol
@@FaBtin1185 Man you make me think! Very, very exicitng move to thin out your deck. This sparks a whole new branch of ideas for me :D The good old sink/fate thining! I often have the problem that i cant use my creepers later on, because i draw into hand where i need my 1 mana. Since i play mono red i miss the mana to play creepers later on. I should work on that. And i think if creepers have 1 counters on them, you can keep them alive with vynnset's ability and the opponent has no way to prevent it. Regardless how good he is :D But on the other side i can see why its bad. I often twist my own plans just to keep Creepers alive :D As i claimed before, the skill ceiling is insane! How and when to use creepers should be a video on its own :D
@@fleecemane2638 im glad! Yea I think talking out lines and just trying to branch out your thinking is something I strive to do. I think it’s very easy to get set in your ways and so I always wanna try to challenge my own thinking. I appreciate the perspective you bring fleecemane! I may do a solely creepers video one day. I also will try and talk out my creepers lines more, hopefully it helps viewers 😁
Very intersting. I play mono red Vynsett with like 50 games into it. Always scared to pick non red cards because both lanterns need to hit or i crumble to pieces. I have the feeling that the skill ceiling is insanly high with her. Nearly every game i think "daaamn i could have played that better".
She has a super high ceiling. I've probably got over 1000 games on redline and I make TONS of errors as you can see in here lol. Going to stream again tonight if you wanna stop by and help me improve my lines ^_^
@@FaBtin1185 I try to support you whenever iam in the mood for vynred. But when i see that you have over 1000 games on her..... as Micheal Jordan once said: "the ceiling is the roof"
@@fleecemane2638 I appreciate the support. It means a lot! Haha never heard that quote before! Love it. I have been playing redline since end of January so it’s a bit of a runway. And I’m prob off a bit, it’s probably closer to 700! But we’ll keep reaching for the roof! Let’s see how high we can go.
Thanks! It was a bit rough last night so after the stream I went into the “lab”. Added more eloquence. Add tome of fyendal to get through my deck quicker. I want to see how consistently I get skitter into a Nas swing. Will try and play it more on stream if I crack it! Thanks for watching!
It's been a week since I've been able to play wynnset without the image not found bug which prevents the opponent from blocking, is this something that also happens in your games? Great content otherwise !
Thanks for watching! Hmmm I had that bug when in open format. Or could be one of your cards in the list if it’s not a “typically” run card. If you wanna share your list I could give it a thought. But also I think the best thing to do is report a bug through the Talishar client. Hope that helps and thanks for viewing 💜
Great play with the requiem, we want it in hand for Nuu because you can "double dip" on its value, block their stealth attack and have it banished as a result so you can still use it. I haven't read Eirina's Prayer correctly, it probably should be in the list for Viserai (as you said). Taking the damage to the pumpkin against DIO just to guarantee funeral moon can be played was wild, if they wanted to block out your entire turn it wouldve costed them the entire hand and most equipment, moon was always connecting there even if you dont pay a life. Additionally moon and requiem are close to the best arsenal targets in the game as they cant be disrupted (that easily), since you can play them after cnc/widespread destruction deal damage. But thats a really small difference overall. That Rabble, lantern, revel, bounding next turn was so good, just shows the flexibility of those go again AAs and NAAs and what they can enable. Quillhand and ovals hitting tbone to protect tunic and creepers is also so good, you dont notice these small things while simply reading the list. As with any Vynnie list, theres def a lot of skill expression and risky plays with high upside if you feel like you need to take them (blind pumpkins, or even more blindly taking damage to it and hoping it banishes something that cares about you taking damage). At least it makes it feel like most matches are winnable if you take the exact correct lines while playing. Loving the plays you made overall, always happy to watch a fellow experienced player playing 😊
Raziel! Loved the list. I’m gonna play it more off stream today. I did t notice the subtlety of oval for t-bone. The lantern to see the top of deck was great and felt better than I thought. Bummed we got a couple concedes but the deck has a lot of subtle ways of getting value. Appreciate you sharing it with me. Will give you more thoughts on discord as I get more reps on it. Glad you liked the vod and thanks for sharing your thoughts and insights.
This is the first decklist i've seen that finally inspired me to take the plunge into CC, just waiting on cards now and gonna tweak as needed (removing deathly duet lol)
Ahhh! Glad you like it! Smart call on removing duet lololol. I have the most up to date public list here fabrary.net/decks/01HZ2MWBHKSD1S4Y9H21TBFMME Hope it treats you well! I’ll be back streaming Saturday if you wanna see more gameplay. 😄
Loving the vids! As someone who has little time for CC I'd be very curious if you have a red line blitz list you'd be willing to share/throw together quick? No pressure of course! Keep it up.
THANK YOU! Means a lot! Yea, I don't have many reps into Blitz. But I took a first pass on what that would look like. I'll add a link here and to the video description. Hope it helps! Appreciate the support! fabrary.net/decks/01HZ6GM8292C96K1K27ZK1MGX9
@41:00 a line i saw was to pitch read the runes to activate creepers, play tear as an instant, gain an action points, give deathly wail go again, pop quillhand, play deahtly wail, close the combat chain, swing ruin, swing flail
Love that! Good eye, think that was a key moment that could have won me the game lol. Has a few but that line would have pushed the extra damage I needed! Thank you!
Great to have one more Vynnset streamer! Love it! I would recommend clearing the cache or just holding Ctrl and hit F5 or Ctril+Refresh button or just go to the settings and clear the whole cache. Keep it going!
