This is an issue I've been thinking about for the past few days. Long story short, you've summarized exactly what's happened to my own postmil eschatology - same ideas regarding preterism and certainty. There are no coincidences :) Lord bless.
Dispansationalism camera from a Jesuit named Francisco rebera in the 6th century to shift the protestant understanding that papal Rome (papacy, Catholic Church) is the anti Christ worship system It's deadly wound is just a healed and history will be repeated
How old or how recent was dispensationalism?? This is the concern of people who do not read their Bibles. It doesn't matter how old a theology is. When I was saved everything was new to me. The only thing that was important, the only thing that should be important is Bible truth. Paul told Timothy to be faithful in studying the Bible. DON'T WORRY ABOUT BEING YOUNG. Don't worry about your theology being young. Is it Biblical? Is it Biblical? But Paul was a sinner!!! So am I. So are you. Faithfullness to the Bible is what matters. Not how young you are. Not how young your theology is. Didpensationalism came late because they took the time to read the Bible first. They read about the thousand years before they wrote that theology. That's why it fits!!! So, guess why some theologies don't have room for the thousand years. They did not read the Bible. Some theologies were written following the doctrines of those seven churches that Jesus had to speak harshly to for their BAD DOCTRINE !!!
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Nicene creed vs the Bible. Who wins? Don’t trust the “wisdom” of men! Rapture is the harpazo. It’s Biblical!! By “Orthodoxy” you mean what men think… lean not on your own understanding. Gnosticism is a secret knowledge not whatever you just described. Dispensation have a very reasonable view for the rapture, rapture in the Latin and Harpazo in the Greek it means to be snatched up it also goes back to the details of a Galilean wedding, which is what Jesus is describing when he’s telling the disciples about this actual thing And to do with Enoch and how he was raptured before the flood where Noah was preserved through it. How lot was ruptured from Sodom before its destruction. And Daniel was raptured from the picture before his friends were preserved through the fire. Not to mention that the book of revelation says very clearly in ch 4 what happens after the bema seat (Christians) in heaven occurs. it clearly lays out a before and after. But covenant theology, churches just don’t read that book very closely or at all. The only book to offer up a blessing to the reader who understands it and the primary message I got from my covenant theology friends is - “There’s no use spending time there. You can’t really understand it.” Sad..
You do see it in history. And how long did the Catholic Church have terrible theology before the reformation? 2 different plans!? You don’t understand the theology. It’s only by Jesus that we are saved. You reformed guys think everything is about soteriology. Milk faith. It’s what the Bible teaches. Why is it that all of the covenant theology churches stick to a beaten path within the Bible? Why won’t they read Romans 11? Why not the book of Daniel, Ezekiel, revelation? Why do all of the disp churches tend to teach the entire Bible? There are 10 X the qty of seminaries that focus on your hermeneutic. By no means is that proof for this being made up. Sacrifices will be atoning for sins? You really don’t get the hermeneutic at all. That’s the difference, it was always Jesus in the past present and in the future. The animal sacrifices never did it. The irony is that your view actually makes two different systems by being saved.. old and new. dispensation think has always been one, Jesus. Perhaps you guys are so scared of going to hell that you think everything in the Bible is about soteriology. How do you explain the 70th week of Daniel? How do you explain the time of Jacob’s trouble? Why is it not the time of Abraham’s trouble? Do you understand the difference? Thankfully, I found a more dispensational viewpoint on the Bible and it has changed my walk incredibly. The Bible has come to life and u cannot unsee it once you’ve seen it. I noticed a massive trend where covenant theology people just absolutely cannot re-create the hermeneutic. Try to steel man the viewpoint rather than taking the absolute worst line. What happened to the ever lasting covenant of land for the Jews? Did God make a mistake? Did he not see the future? Did he repurpose the Land for the church? Or did he do exactly what he said and provide the land for the Jews, which they now live in again after 1900 years? Don’t you think God would’ve seen how confusing this would be in advance? In the same way that the Jews did sacrifices for 37 years after the death of Christ, they will do these again in the future And in the same way, they will be for the same purpose. Remember “in their affliction, they will seek me” at the end of the tribulation they will finally seek Jesus himself when they realize that he’s the one that they pierced. The Jews will be pursuing God and Jesus will be pursuing the Jews in the end, the Jews will accept Jesus as their savior
Thanks, well said. I want to expand on one point. Dispensationalism is accused of teaching that there will be temple sacrifices in the millennial kingdom. True. But WHOSE IDEA WAS THAT? Dispensationalism is a mature adult theology. If they read it in the Bible then it needs a place in Disp. Theo. We don't put our hands over our eyes and hope that the thousand years will go away or pretend that it already happened. Those sacrifices are prophecies in several places. Mature Bible students don't overlook what they don't like. But since we insist that the sacrifices never took away sin, why do slanderers claim that Disp. teach that the sacrifices will replace Jesus'death in the future? It is probably too much to hope that you will grow up.
You say that you’re concerned with a ‘theology’ that violates ‘orthodox’. I’m learning a lot about you from this statement. You should be concerned with any ‘council of orthodoxy’ that violates ‘scripture’. Any and all creeds or quotes from any man, is in subjection to the written word of God. I noticed that you failed to appeal to scripture throughout this video
Brilliant , Mr Saller, brilliant. John McArthur is a man of God and in some ways the conscience of America but his eschatology is from the garbage of Darby.
Why do people always get hung up on titles? I simply read the Bible. Had God some things in the past we do not see Him doing today? Are we still healing the sick? Casting out demons? Performing miracles? Does God demand blood sacrifice today? Are we under a new covenant? Are we waiting for Christs return? Will He rule this world His way when He returns? If you see dispensations in Scripture then it's true! It's simply accepting what the truth of Scripture shows. Regarding the new temple. It's not a temple of the past is it? Then what is it? Is it all allegory? If so why? Why go into such detailed explanations of something that will never come to be? Christ will return and rule and reign for 1000 years on earth! And still rule after the 1000 years! It is never ending we just see what happens after the 1000 years. Satan is cast into the lake of fire and the eternal state is ushered in. This is very clear in Rev 20-22
So the existence of Israel today proves all you covenant theology/ replacement people wrong, and the dispensationalists (the "leaky" ones like MacArthur) correct. Of course all true believers are welcome in the church. That does not conflict in any way with God's right, and carefully detailed plan, for dealing with Israel in His own good time and fulfilling all his kingdom promises.
@@paulwise6856 sure, just stuff it into 70 AD.. nobody will hold you accountable for something silly like that. Covenant Theology has always been reckless, irresponsible. Immature theologies are allowed to do such things with the Bible.After all, it's not as though God wrote it !
2:26 Justin Martyr preaching the pre-millenial reign of Christ. That's pretty much half-way home to a biblical eschatology. Now, when was the last time you and your friends preached I Thessalonians 4:17 for the purpose of comforting as Paul commanded you. Got that? He commanded YOU to preach the Rapture/Resurrection. When are you going to place that Rapture (harmadzo)? Try these: Revelation 20:6: "...they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years." Revelation 5:10: "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth." So you think Christ is going to leave the faithful dead (not the Grateful Dead) moldering in the ground during the Millennium, hmm? Seems that Rapture has to be at least Pre-Mil. And since the paragraphs immediately following after the Rapture passage in I Thessalonians 4:17 describe the Tribulation period and state: "We are not appointed to wrath!", don't you think that some dispensationalist ideas are pretty well founded (not to say all). You can apologize to the dispensationalists now. They are fairly certain they will be "kept from the hour."
1:53 Re: Church fathers - "None of them were dispensationalists." Well, that's true, since it was the 1900s before other theological opponents labeled and began calling them dispensationalists. Basically the dispensationalists didn't know they were dispensationalists until guys like you started calling them that. (Oh, disclaimer: I'm not a dispensationalist.)
1:04 "Dispensationalism is a modern invention". Not a bit true. Every theological scheme has dispensations. Oh, right, they call them covenants or administrations or whatchagot. Try these out: "Jewish Two Ages (This Age and the Age to Come); Covenant Theology (Covenant of Works and Covenant of Grace); Augustine's Six Ages of the World (based on the seven days of creation); Medieval Fourfold Pattern (Creation, Fall, Redemption, Consummation); Luther's Law and Gospel; Sevenfold Dispensationalism (as in classic Dispensationalism); and Progressive Dispensationalism (four or more dispensations with an emphasis on progressive revelation)." They just give the dispensations different names and different starting and endpoints throughout redemption history and church history. So wrong.
Dispensationalism is a quintessentially American heresy, much like the Jehovah Witnesses, Mormonism, and Seventh Day Adventists. Neither the Catholics, Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Anglicans, Coptic, Syrian, Russian Orthodox, or Greek Orthodox Christians believe in Dispensationalism. Only U.S. Evangelicals and/or Southern Baptists and the missionary Churches they have influenced. Furthermore, by appearing on Christian-broadcasting programs and hocking DVDs on 'mysteries' and hidden knowledge that only Rabbis know, more and more Biblically naive Christians are forsaking the Gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ. In turn, they are now practicing a heretically non-Biblical and politically militant derivative of Judaism where a blind adherence to and promotion of the geo-political aspirations of Zionist-Israel are more important than obeying what Jesus and the Apostles actually taught. Dispensationalism, sometimes called Scofield Futurism, Christian Zionism, and/or Israeli-Based Prophetic Eschatology, is one such heresy. Finally, Voodoo is a false and dangerous belief system, of certain Caribbean cultures. However, those that believe it can be negatively impacted by it through psychosis, depression, acts of violence, etc. Talk of 'The Antichrist, the Rapture, 666, the 3rd Temple, Mark of the Beast, 7 years tribulation, and Armageddon, etc. is NO different. If enough people believe a lie, it will likely begin to manifest itself in the culture through movies, literature, music, and perhaps, even in reality. The U.S. is a powerful country, both militarily and economically, so the false belief system of those in power will impact the direction of global politics.
One thing I noticed about this video is that you aren't arguing against the ideas of dispensational hermeneutics ( not once did you argue against it using scripture but just said because this elite group (encumenical councils) denies literal interpretation and allegorical interpretation thus its not Christian. Its weak argumentation. Its an appeal to authority. Its fallacious. Do better
I'm largely with you--especially as touching the modern heresy of the pre-trib rapture--but you seem to deny the literal earthly physical thousand-year reign of Christ, so clearly laid out in substance and sequence in Revelation 20 (and 21). My standard and protocol is simple: Scripture always takes precedence, even over Orthodoxy, where it departs from Scripture.
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His argument wasn't that you can't, just that the Church requiring it isn't evidenced in scripture and therefore isn't necessary for salvation. This is a big problem Papists and Orthodox don't understand about Anglican theology. Anglo-Catholics don't reject veneration; they just don't view that praying to St Aiden of Lindesfarne is necessary for salvation.
actually dispensationalists are not good christians, they are self righteous abusers and they yoke men to law while denying the lord has set up his kingdom, they are beliving in a physical rule of Israel over the nations, and that amounts of worshipping Satan, which is what Christ himself said it was. Be blessed.
if we are now living in Gods kingdom and the devil is bound and all that, why is there so much war and evil? When are the wolf and the lamb going to lie down together and the lion and ox eat gras together ?
the rich man and the lazarus where in a real state in the afterlife. jesus taught about hell as a real place where people burned up. so i rather believe jesus than you
In some ways this could be a semantics issue, because I can imagine some would say the invisible church is what Leithart calls the eschatological church
Part 2/2 The problem with Christians today and many factions in the past is that they are under the false impression the world revolves around them. Yes, we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus, but we are also very sinful and our sins have caused immense problems including biblical ignorance around the world. The biggest error is that Christians read Scripture as if it all pertains to them, instead of the world. Christians claim Jesus was the final sacrifice, yes if you receive Him as Lord and Savior. If you are His because of faith in Jesus then there is no need for another sacrifice, but most of the world is not saved and so when things begin to unfold people will come to Jerusalem to worship the GOD of Israel still ignorant that it's Jesus. Revelation 11:1-2 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. ...11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And [e]they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. 13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven. Revelation 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth-to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people- 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” Very few Christians can ever give me an answer of why Scripture says that the everlasting Gospel is "“Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” No mention of Jesus, or forgiveness of sins, etc. Sacrifices will be instituted again because the world will worship the GOD of Israel. Ezekiel 37:21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God. Ezekiel 38:18 “And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” says the Lord God, “that My fury will show in My face. 19 For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken: ‘Surely in that day there shall be a great [e]earthquake in the land of Israel, 20 so that the fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all creeping things that creep on the earth, and all men who are on the face of the earth shall shake at My presence. The mountains shall be thrown down, the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.’ 21 I will call for a sword against Gog throughout all My mountains,” says the Lord God. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22 And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed; I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus I will magnify Myself and sanctify Myself, and I will be known in the eyes of many nations. Then they shall know that I am the Lord.” ’ Will the sacrifices save them? No. But it will cover their sins and as things move along in the timeline the knowledge of Jesus will enter the global human consciousness. First, there is a belief in GOD and then there will be a belief in Jesus. This same principle applies to all in the millennial kingdom who don't believe by faith. Zechariah 14: 16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 20 In that day “HOLINESS TO THE LORD” shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the Lord’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the Lord of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts. When Jesus comes back people will have kids and those kids will grow into adults over the 1000 years to where there will be many who don't believe in who Jesus is. Rev 20: 7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. So after Jesus has reigned for 1000 years with a population of people who are believers needing no sacrifice and non-believers needing a sacrifice to cover their sins. Satan will be released to gather the non-believers who want to go to war against the LORD. Then He will wipe them out and commence Judgment Day. Rev 20: 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[b] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. 11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. Another mistake Christians have made is that the LORD owns the Land of Israel and the City of Jerusalem. Genesis 15:18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants, I have given this land,..." (Ownership) Leviticus 25:1-2 And the Lord spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give you,..." (Ownership) Verse 23 ‘The land shall not be sold permanently, for the land is Mine; for you are strangers and sojourners with Me." ("The land is Mine"- Ownership) The word "Sojourners" means guest, visitor, someone who has no claim of ownership. 2 Chronicles 6:5-6 5 ‘Since the day that I brought My people out of the land of Egypt, I have chosen no city from any tribe of Israel in which to build a house, that My name might be there, nor did I choose any man to be a ruler over My people Israel. 6 Yet I have chosen Jerusalem, that My name may be there, and I have chosen David to be over My people Israel.’ (My Name may be there"- Ownership) Joel 3:1-2 “For behold, in those days and at that time, When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also gather all nations, And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land. ("My Land"- Ownership) Isaiah 45:3 I will give you the treasures of darkness And hidden riches of secret places, That you may know that I, the Lord, Who call you by your name, Am the God of Israel. 4 For Jacob My servant’s sake, And Israel My elect, I have even called you by your name; I have named you, though you have not known Me. 5 I am the Lord, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have not known Me," Psalm 121:4 Behold, He who keeps Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. The question as Christians we need to ask ourselves isn't whether we agree with all of Israel's decisions or not. We need to ask "When did the LORD relinquish His claim of ownership over the Land of Israel and the City of Jerusalem?" Answer: NEVER. The second question is why after 1800+ years has the LORD (Owner of the land and Jerusalem) allowed the Jewish people back into the Land? Simple, He said He would. Ezekiel 37:21-23, Jeremiah 24:3-8, Mark 13:28-30. Everything is right on schedule according to Scripture. "All these things must come to pass". It's sad to me how biblically illiterate Christians have become that even before they understand the biblical narrative that is playing out in front of us in real-time, they call it heresy out of ignorance.
Part 1/2 I can appreciate people's various opinions on Eschatology. What I don't particularly like is when someone who is ignorant of the things they claim, then comes to a conclusion like this video does. I am not here to attack this person. I have no clue who he is, but he clearly doesn't understand the topic, which makes it problematic. He's also convinced while not understanding the topic that he's right. We can disagree but he's not well educated on the topic. Just because we have questions that we struggle with doesn't mean that something is false. So did the early Christians talk about dispensational topics? Yes. Now whether or not they are true these ideas did NOT begin with Darby. A rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem AFTER 70AD Barnabas - (First Century) “You can perceive that their hope is vain. Furthermore, the Lord said, ‘Behold, they who destroy this temple, even they will again build it up once more.’ This prophecy was fulfilled because the Jews went to war against their enemy. But even though they are now no more than servants to Rome, they will return and rebuild the temple. It was revealed that the city of Jerusalem, the temple, and the people of Israel were to be given up.” Epistle of Barnabas 16:5-7 Irenaeus (about 180 AD) wrote his 5 volume work called “Against Heresies” “In 2 Thessalonians, the ‘falling away’ is an apostasy and there will be a literal rebuilt temple. In Matthew, the ‘abomination spoken by Daniel’ is the Antichrist sitting in the temple as if he were Christ. The abomination will start in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week and last for a literal three years and six months. The little horn is the Antichrist. Against Heresies 5.25 Hippolytus (170-235AD): On the End of the World A Discourse by the Most Blessed Hippolytus, Bishop and Martyr, on the End of the World, and on Antichrist, and on the Second Coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ. "...And after that he (Antichrist) will build the temple in Jerusalem (notice a literal building), and will restore it again speedily, and give it over to the Jews. And then he will be lifted up in heart against every man; yea, he will speak blasphemy also against God, thinking in his deceit that he shall be king upon the earth hereafter forever; not knowing, miserable wretch, that his kingdom is to be quickly brought to naught, and that he will quickly have to meet the fire which is prepared for him, along with all who trust him and serve him. For when Daniel said, “I shall make my covenant for one week,” Daniel 9:27 he indicated seven years; and the one half of the week is for the preaching of the prophets, and for the other half of the week - that is to say, for three years and a half -Antichrist will reign upon the earth. And after this his kingdom and his glory shall be taken away." Notice in the references to the 70th week of the final 7 years. Irenaeus- The abomination will start in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week and last for a literal three years and six months..." Against Heresies 5:25 Hippolytus- For when Daniel said, “I shall make my covenant for one week,” Daniel 9:27 he indicated seven years; and the one half of the week is for the preaching of the prophets, and for the other half of the week - that is to say, for three years and a half -Antichrist will reign upon the earth. And after this his kingdom and his glory shall be taken away." Hippolytus (170-235 AD) wrote a 67 section/ chapter writing called "The Antichrist - a Treatise on Christ and Antichrist" "Now Daniel will set forth this subject to us. For he says, “And one week will make a covenant with many, and it shall be that in the midst of the week my sacrifice and oblation shall cease.” Daniel 9:27 By one week (7 years), therefore, he meant the last week which is to be at the end of the whole world, of which week the two prophets Enoch and Elias will take up the half (1,260 days = 3.5 years). For they will preach 1,260 days clothed in sackcloth, proclaiming repentance to the people and to all the nations." ...For John says, “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.” Revelation 11:3 That is the half of the week that Daniel spoke about. “These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks standing before the Lord of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire will proceed out of their mouth, and devour their enemies; and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy; and have power over waters, to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues as often as they will.” Revelation 11:4-6 And when they shall have finished their course and their testimony, what does the prophet say? “the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them,” Revelation 11:7 because they will not give glory to Antichrist. For this is meant by the little horn that grows up. He, being now elated in heart, begins to exalt himself, and to glorify himself as God, persecuting the saints and blaspheming Christ, even as Daniel says, “I considered the horns, and, behold, in the horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things; and he opened his mouth to blaspheme God. And that born made war against the saints, and prevailed against them until the beast was slain, and perished, and his body was given to be burned.” Daniel 7:8 Thousand-year reign of Jesus, Barnabas, AD First Century “Therefore, children, in six days, or in six thousand years, all the prophecies will be fulfilled. Then it says, ‘He rested on the seventh day.’ This signifies at the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus, He will destroy the Antichrist, judge the ungodly, and change the sun, moon, and stars. Then He will truly rest during the Millennial reign, which is the seventh day.” Epistle of Barnabas 15:7-9 Irenaeus 180 AD For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: "Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works."(6) This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years;(7) and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year. Against Heresies 5:28 Commodianus, AD 240 “We will be immortal when the six thousand years are completed.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 35 “Resurrection of the body will be when six thousand years are completed, and after the one thousand years, the world will come to an end.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 80 Methodius, AD 290 “In the seventh millennium we will be immortal and truly celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.” Ten Virgins 9.1 Victorinus, AD 240 “Satan will be bound until the thousand years are finished; that is, after the sixth day.” Commentary on Revelation 20.1-3 Justin Martyr (100-165AD) “There will be a literal one-thousand-year reign of Christ.” Justin Martyr, Dialogue 81 Papius First Century (60AD-130AD) “I was taught by the Apostle John, himself, that after the resurrection of the dead, Jesus will personally reign for one thousand years.” Papias, Fragment 6 The Rapture- Church father Irenaeus 180AD wrote “Against Heresies”: “When in the end that church will suddenly be caught up from this, then it is said, ‘There will be tribulation such as not been since the beginning, nor will be.’” Irenaeus “Against Heresies 5.29 Ephrem 373 AD “…because all saints and the elect of the LORD are gathered together before the Tribulation which is about to commence be taken to the LORD…” On the Last Times 2-Ephrem the Syrian 373 AD Lactantius in the second century between 100-200AD in his commentary of the Apocalypse that Rev 6:14 is when "the Church shall be taken away” Victorinus a bishop who lived in 240AD (martyred 304AD) also wrote "And the heaven withdrew as a scroll that is rolled up, for the heaven to be rolled away, that is, the Church shall be taken away. And the mountain and the islands removed from their places..." So as you can see whether we disagree or not these ideas were NOT invented by Darby. (Continued in Part 2).
Careful - it is not a salvation issue - Isnt there enough division in the Body of Christ without adding to it. The Lord commands the blessing where there is unity with the brethren. Division = no blessing. Pre, Mid Post Trib, Pre Mid post rapture, amillenialism, preterist + - take your pic. Again not salvation issues.
