It was said to Abu Hurayrah: You have narrated a great deal, you have narrated a great deal. He said: If I told you everything that I heard from the Prophet (God bless him), you would pelt me with stones and clods of earth, and you would not sit with me. Surely the "you would stone me" factor has influenced what past scholars were willing to openly say? Not all the Sufis wanted to end up like al-Hallaj. Then there's the fact that writing things that many people will misunderstand is potentially more misleading than not writing about them at all. Now that there is no more caliphate and the Muslim world has politically fallen, and the West has opened up to Islam, and people are openly writing all kinds of crazy things anyway and printing books left and right, some Perennialists thought it was a good idea to openly write about things that would have gotten them in trouble back in the day.
i saw the prophet s.a.w. in a dream with his companions. even though he was digging a trench in the dirt with the companions he was so clean and he was glowing with a beautiful light around his face and a big smile as he stopped digging and looked up with that smile and said to them that he can see the palaces in heaven that God has built for them. they all shouted allah hu akbar and dug with even greater strength then before. subhanallah this is a dream i cannot forget alhamdillah.
T J Winter is a Sufi and Asha'aree. He will carry the sins of deviating maybe hundreds of innocent people, away from the Sunnah. To his Sufi approach. Inalilahi wa ina ilayhi raji'oon. We ask those who want to learn their Religion to go to authentic sources. And to people who are upon the Sunnah. Don't waste our time with eloquent speakers and go to others, eg www.wrightstreetmosque.com, Www.troid.ca, www.markazmuaadh.com, www.masjidussunnahaston.uk, www.firstmuslimmosque.com... There is an ocean of authentic knowledge available now in the English language for the one who is sincere. Jazak Allahu Khair.
The divide between the esoteric and exterior itself is a circular hypothesis, and doesn't stand up to scrutiny. You can't get more esoteric than the nature of God Himself, and as explained, all religions explicitly differ on the most fundamental attributes of Him. That 'contradiction' is not in the realm of "exterior dimension".
very well explained, the problem with perennialists is that they keep trying to prove every religion is the same, while it's true most of the religions have resemblances, one can't ignore their unavoidable differences. For example, Trinty is directly against the teachings of islam, and one can't ignore it just by saying that both religions are pointing to the very reality. Another misconception is on sufism. It may be widely believed that Sufism is a movement in Islam that doesn't care much about Sharia, while most of the Sufi masters were very devout and humble toward Sharia. By the way, Rumi's mentor Shams is very critical toward people who do not follow Prophet Muhammad.
2:50 "And if you you say [these formulations] are relative, then in effect you are denying the religions the right to tell people what is the nature of reality..." This is a really odd position to take, especially from a scholar and practioner of Sufism such as Tim Winter. Sufism itself takes the view that the doctrines of Islamic theology are only "relative", so partial and fragmentary, in relation to Sufism, or, more particularly, in relation to the supraformal, direct experience of reality. Sufism is not alone in this; all sapiential traditions profess that the ultimate truth is ineffable and supraformal, and so cannot be totally (exhaustively) contained in any particular religious form. Dr Winter surely knows all this. But somehow he forgets all this in this speech and treats the merely verbal expressions of truth contained in the different religions as absolute, rather than symbolical (and so relative).
i dont know how your point is against his point, of course sufi masters thought you taste (zawq) for expriencing reality better, but most of them followed the way Sharia leads them to this kind of understanding.
Sufism does not view the doctrines of Islam as "relative". That's a very false claim. There can be no Sufism without Sharia. Perennial philosophy is, ironically, just another manifestation of modernity although it claims to be about reconnecting with the ancient truths; there are no absolutes, everything is just a "relative expression". Instead your whims and desires become the arbiters of Truth. We reject this modern innovation as Muslims as do all other religions.
@@jabarbnar I quoted him. That might help to cliarfy where the divergence lies. To spell it out, his staement implies that the formulations are *not* relative. Whereas I was saying that they are, that classical Sufism says they are, and that Dr Winter himself knows this. I hope that clarifies things. (Nothing I said contradicted your claim that "most [sufi masters] followed the [Sharia]" - so, with respect, that part seems beside the point.)
@@bez1196 Well, that's not how I've understood classical Sufism. Perhaps we can agree to disagree. My understanding is that it overwhelmingly teaches that indeed, ultimately, *everything* is relative, except the Absolute alone. لا اله الا الله
@@vampireducks1622 No, this isn't a matter of personal opinion, I'm afraid. Sufism without Shariah is delusion by consensus of the people of the Sunnah. We are all contingent beings and the only Real Being is Allah, Al-Haqq, from whom we all "borrow" our existence, true. But that does not mean that all paths lead to Allah. All the greats from Imam Junayd to Ghazali and Ibn Arabi have been very clear about this. Islam/the legal code is the foundation. You need Islam, Iman and Ihsan. You can't have Ihsan and worship Allah as though you see Him without having the foundations. Otherwise you are simply just following your whims and desires which, by definition, lead to other than Allah. It's ultimately a path to self-worship.
I am worried about revert Muslims due to Sufism, shiyaism and other fuel of Hell sects of Islam nowadays, that's why I wrote this text for all humans to avoid hell. By the all holy books and medical science dead mankind is non communicable and if you call Dead personalities or prophets along with Allah and seek help from dead mankind then you will Never go to the heaven and if you don't agree with me then after death liar will take other's and his whole nation's sins, do you agree? Be brave now? Show your confidence in your religion, science or reason. I suggest you with respect that you follow the Holy Quran, if you don't agree with me? then after death liar will take other's and his whole nation's sins, do you agree? Be brave now. Don't relate pseudo Muslims with Holy Quran. By the Holy Quran Shiya, Sunni Brelvi and Ahmadis are agents of Satan, if you don't agree with me then after death liar will take other's and his whole nation's sins, do you agree? Be brave now?)
These videos should be sent to Saudis. Those arrogant pricks hearts are sealed Satan has entered into their blood. Allah guide them. They have destroyed all history there. All they good for saying Shirk, bidah, shirk bidah, shirk, bidah. A sick society sect for sure.
I think it depends on if you define it as all of it being true along with all the different theologies which is impossible, they can’t be correct, and you can’t be a Muslim and believe that or if you regard it as just having the same source. Which islam and the Quran already affirms, as we believe all these messages were sent by Allah. But it just depends on some of the beliefs and action or members of the school. I think this is why Shiekh Abdualhakim and Habib Ali al Jifri reject it. And they are strict traditionalists. Islam is the only truth absolutely and it came to correct the pervious fabricated traditions. However, you will also find Dr. Umar Farouk Abduallah taking about primordial truths and universalities. And The late Martin Lings was greatly respected in their circles despite belonging to the group. So its just acceptance that it was once truth and try to learn from one another while still being Muslim. I mean Sufism had some Buddhist influences but its still an intrinsic part of the Sunna at the same time. As it enriches our faith. ‘And we made you into nations and tribes so you may learn from one another’.
Absolutely beautifully articulated (it's hard to sometimes find sophisticated RU-vid comments). I find myself edified and provoked in thought; I'd be curious to know where it is you think the Buddhist tradition has interpenetrated with tasawwuf, or Islam more generally? And any recommendations for readings here? I'm currently reading some of Dr Lings' and find him a stunning writer! In sha' Allah this finds you well, dear The Sufi M.D
Salām ‘How the Buddhist saved islam’ Article by Shayikh Hamza Yusuf and the book: “Common Ground Between Islam and Buddhism: Spiritual and Ethical Affinities.” Sorry, For some reason I only just saw this comment. Would be happy to converse with you if you wish. I have a fb group. I don’t think I was particularly Articulate when I wrote this comment. But thank you for your kind words. Peace/Salam.
Well one must understand the shaykh is not saying that you wont be able to see the prophet. The message he is trying to convey is one must prepare himself so that he could see prophet muhammad(saw) the way he must be seen - with respect!
Imam Nawawi said if all books disappeared from the face of the earth except the Ihyaa it would suffice. That's enough for me not the nonsense of laymen. It's clear what those who go against Al Ghazali Hujjat ul Islaam are upon.
You totally misunderstood the sheikh's point. He wasn't talking about the people who existed at the time of Rasulallah saw, he was talking about the Ummah afterwards having the privilege of dreaming of Rasulallah saw.
The Prophet ﷺ is open to everyone, sinner, good, high, low etc. His ﷺ gaze does not reside in prejudice. Never let anyone tell you that you aren’t worthy to see Him ﷺ or for Him ﷺ to see you. How can we speak on behalf of such an immense being...? ~ Disconnected ramblings from Shk Ibrahims advise.
By Allah none of us, Especially me, deserves to see him, when his eyes gazed upon rabuk and mine gazed upon the mass garbage of today, astagfirullah. Especially me, but maybe and probably you deserve it, im just saying i dont, if your saying it why would you lie, i believe you deserve to gave upon him...
I understand what he means by 'bei g unworthy' to see him Aleyhiselam , this is out of love and adab. However, I would differ here, I would feel that a sinner out of anguish has every right to see the messenger out of desire to seek some redemption in one's life. Sheikh Aslam often posts Facebook advise on how one should not feel too inclined that they are too far from the messenger Aleyhiselam, he often gives examples of those considered sinners who often through sheer love for the messenger of Allah, have an opportunity with Allah to grow and rectify one's life. Sidi OSI EFA is a great teacher and I understand his point of view, sometimes teachers need to speak in such and such a way to allow one to reflect, however, I would be more inclined towards a softer approach , as I consider myself a sinner and it took me years to understand to accept it and move on and try to reconnect with Allah and his messenger in what I have been taught by my sheikh as best as I can. Allah Hu slim.
@Akhter Machher We are nothing worthy! Period! If someone is watching porn for example. No way! No way! Are you going to see the blessed one. And porn here can be anything you shouldn't be watching. Who do you think you are?
Glossary at 3.00 min Sahaabah- companion of Propher Mohammed (peace be upon him), those who saw the Prophet, became and died as Muslim. Tabaeen- companion of Sahaabah , they did not see the Prophet. at 5.30 Seerah - books written on the life of Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)
Here is The Sufi Muslim refutation of what our Sunni brother Timothy Murad winter has wrongly said , I will start with the last part : 1- However it's true that , when Ibn Arabi was a Dogmatic Sunni he used to condemn Christians even Shias as well and all religions and creeds in general and he was not pro Religious Pluralism BUT after his conversion to Sufism he has changed his views completely , for he said : " There was a time , when I used to Condemn , deny and reject my friends , those who used to have different religions , beliefs , creeds , those friends who were not on my exact faith and believe differently , But now, my heart has grown capable of taking on all forms. It is a pasture for gazelles, a House of Idols An abbey for monks. A table for the Torah. Kaaba for the pilgrim. My religion is love. Whichever the route love’s caravan shall take, That shall be the path of my faith " Sufi Saint Ibn Arabi also said: " If God Alone really is then All Ways Lead to Him , this means that the various religions are mere names ,for the reality is one" , source : Islam Faith and History by Mahmoud Ayoub Chapter 8 Sufism the Mystical tradition , Ibn Arabi the Great Sheikh , OneWorld Publications 2005 . So it's very Important to distinguish between the writings of Ibn Arabi when he was a Dogmatic Sunni and when he left his dogma and became a Sufi Muslim . and yes he said all ways lead to God . 2- Yes Indeed Rumi was a Muslim who used to accept non Muslims without asking them to convert but ofcourse if they want to he would never shun them , and this is a prophetic tradition of accepting non Muslims at ease without a problem and teaching them without asking them to convert . 3- Hindus were accepted by Imam Hussein , and he never forced or asked them to convert to islam , he simply taught them the Sufi path of wisdom like how our Saints accepts Hindus , Christians and Jews and teach them the sufi Path without Converting them to the outer form of the Institutionalized Islam , the living evidence is the Husseini Bramhmin Community who are a reformed Hindus and descendants of those hindus who fought beside Imam Hussein , he accepted them and love them en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussaini_Brahmin 4- the living proof of a "Christian " shrine inside the mosque of Imam Hussein Himself and beside his own shrine in Iraq , the Christian Shrine belongs to a Christian Man named John/Jawn bin Huway who was one of the companions of Imam Hussein , he loved Imam Hussein so much and Imam Hussein never once asked him to convert to Islam all his life , and when the wars with the Umayyads came into existence , Imam Hussein asked him to leave for safety but the Christian man insisted to fight with him and he was among the first martyrs . when he died Imam Hussein reached his body and said : "Oh God, have his face full of light and his smell delightful, have him resurrected/send him to heaven along with the good/pious alongside Prophet Muhammad and his descendants " en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jawn_bin_Huwai en.wikishia.net/view/Jawn_b._Huway 5- Rabbi Mukhayriq was the first Jewish martyr of Islam , and the prophet has mourned him and loved him , he was living within the Muslim Camp , and already the prophet died while his shield was mortgaged to his jewish neighbor to bring food for his family , while the distorted Sunni lies about the prophet , says that he used to hate and curse jews and christians and ordered their expulsion out of Arabia ! slashnews.co.uk/news/2009/12/04/5953/Mukhayriq-the-best-of-the-Jews 6-Prophet Muhammad PBUH has accepted Christian Travelers in His mosque and allowed them to pray freely in his mosque while the modern day cult of our Sunni brothers forbade non Muslims to enter the mosque of the prophet and forbid non Muslims to pray in any mosque in general www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-considine/pluralism-and-the-najran-christians_b_9235554.html 7- Reincarnation does exist in Monotheistic faiths , for Kabbalistic Jews accept it , early gnostic Christians accepted it , some Sufi Muslims accept it , Ismaili muslims accept it , Druze muslims accept it , Bektashi Muslims accept it , Alevi muslims accept it 8- Authentic Sufi Muslims don't judge Christian beliefs as Polytheistic , if we judge them then we have to judge sunnis too ! Actually Sunni Brothers are the ones who believes in more than one God , for according to your Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal and your Aqeeda in general you believe that Quran was Uncreated Co eternal with God ! which means that , God has partners , for Quran is God to you and you believe in two Gods aka Binitarian theology aka polytheism ! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binitarianism annedavison.org.uk/post-the-importance-of-hadith-in-islam/ Ahmad Ibn Hanbal even seduced Caliph Al Mutawakkil to decree the death penalty for anyone who taught that the Word of God is created ! www.sacred-texts.com/isl/isl/isl31.htm As it was narrated by his son Abdullah Ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal in his book " kitab Al Sunnah vol 1 page 102 , 103" , he said : " Imam Ahmad said that , anyone who believes Quran is created , is a Kafir " , here is the original Arabic text of the source : قال إمام أهل السنة أحمد بن حنبل رحمه الله تعالى: من قال القرآن مخلوق فهو عندنا كافر لأن القرآن من علم الله وفيه أسماء الله, وقال: إذا قال الرجل العلم مخلوق فهو كافر لأنه يزعم أنه لم يكن لله علم حتى خلقه وقال رحمه الله تعالى: من قال القرآن مخلوق فهو عندنا كافر لأن القرآن من علم الله رواه عبدالله ابن احمد ابن حنبل - كتاب السنة الجزء الاول صفحة رقم 102 و 103 Mainstream Christianity : " Jesus is the word of God UnCreated , Co Eternal with God " Salafis/Sunnis/Deobandis: " Quran is the word of God Uncreated , Co Eternal with God " Mainstream Christianity : " The Word came down to earth and took a human form and we touched him" Salafists/Sunnis/Deobandis: " The Word came down to earth and took a book form and we touched it " The Only difference between Mainstream Christianity and Sunnism is that Christians don't order their God from amazon ( Printed in Saudi Arabia used in good condition and with discount ! ) . So , You also believes in two Gods like Bintarian Christians God the Father " Allah " and God the Word " Quran " as Christians believes in God The Father " Jehovah " and God the Word " Jesus " , so with your logic against Christians , you also believe that God has partners which is the incarnated word of God aka the quran aka your second personas in the Godhead aka Polytheism ( according to your same judgemental attitude towards christians ! ) The Good news is that we don't practice takfir against you , and we accept you and love you even with your dogmatic polytheistic beliefs , as we accept and love our Christian , Jewish and Hindu Brothers as well . Anyway ,, as our Sunni/Salafi/Deobandi Muslim Brothers ,and Shia Twelver Muslim brothers opens people's eyes to the darkness of the closed minded Dogma , our Sufi Muslim saints open's people's eyes to the light of love and life , and without darkness people couldn't grasp or understand or even seek the light , so thank you all our dogmatic brothers whether you are Sunni/salafi/wahabi/Shia twelver or whatever dark dogma you follow , because you also play a key role in enlighten the way for humanity www.huffingtonpost.com/alka-pratap/when-a-sufi-mystic-opened_b_9216566.html www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2017/07/19607/ rumiscircle.com/2017/09/19/a-love-affair/ 9- Quran 5:48 " To every one of you We have appointed a law a method and an open way . If God had willed, He would have made you one nation ( into one religion ) ; but He wanted to see who are the more pious ones among you. Compete with each other in righteousness. All of you will return to God who will tell you the truth in the matter of your differences " . 10- Here are some authentic Sufi Muslim websites and it can help you understand our long tradition which traced back to the original authentic teachings of Prophet Muhammad PBUH , Imam Ali as , Imam Hussein as and our Sufi saints www.lulsuficenter.org/ rumiscircle.com/ sufism.org/ sufiuniversity.org/ ias.org/ www.sufism.ru/eng/ www.sherifbaba.com/ nurashkijerrahi.org/ www.techofheart.co/ www.bmf.org/ zoya-thewayofasufi.blogspot.com
