Both brilliant men, but, men none the less, and no man should ever allow himself to be consumed by another. Ouspensky, ego or not, carried the healthy scepticism of a scientist into the spiritual realm. Very well done movie it really pulls you into a complex and challenging relationship.
This is a video. Go to 6.34" and you will see this instrument (this is his own one) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GUumYxWuLpk.html Make sure you read and study " In search of the miraculous" by Peter OUSPESKY Regards Spiros from Athens Greece
I´m astonished what a good job was made of the movie. It managed to tread a path, in cinematic terms, that gives us something of the flavour of Ospensky´s relationship with Gurdieff, the importance of G´s teaching AND the nature of the Work .It also manages to avoid sensationalism (almost) and to evoke a healthy curiosity as to what was at stake then ANA now. The period newsreel and film adds another whole dimension and I applaud the director´s skill and respect for his subject matter. Thanks
@webmonitor08 Hi, true some of the ideas in the book might seem bizarre to those of us with a western perception. I found this stems from a lack of my understanding of the deeper meanings, to better comprehend requires effort and time to gain a broader point of view and understanding.
for me it is the most important movie. Szarching the truth, always, and the road is so long to find it, even if when we find it, we understand that it is inside of us.... but the way, the steps, the search...this is the thing...
it is the best possible movie on this topic i think so well done great job indeed........ undoudetly you have done a great job for all gurdjieef lovers
I believe I understand what it means to Remember One'self. It's when your conscious mind is not being lead by your subconscious mind at the particular time you remember. You are aware of what you're doing, you are observing yourself from the outside in. I try to remember, but I always forget. When you don't remember yourself you are in auto-pilot mode.
What I remember of this book, is that most of us go through life asleep, and when someone awakens us, we must find a group who are awake, to help keep reminding each other to 'wake up'! Working with a living teacher or master is of great help, but most of us cannot stay with that teacher all the time. it is helpful if followers meet often to remind ourselves.
@TheGschwartz86 Ouspensky had problems with Gurdjieff . . . because there was something fundamentally incomplete about Gurdjieff's teaching. Gurdjieff couldn't transmit essential states of being to his students. It's certainly very puzzling . . . because the Gurdjieff teaching is recognizably about those essential states. But for some reason . . . although he himself apparently realized them . . . Gurdjieff couldn't evoke them in his students.
@jawfrosh It is not that simple. It can never be with a man like Gurdjiev. Ego,higher,Osho,spiritual level are just words on youtube. What ouspensky experienced You cannot know, and far more important cannot understand. But it can be said, that ouspensky had to conquer a need to Teach someone. If he did it only He and Gurdjiev knew. He played an important role in this, and you should not show but feel Gratitude towards this man.
Quite good. Nice presentation of a most interesting book I first encountered some twenty-five or more years ago.I soon joined the service and was sent to Europe. In my youthful imagination I kept a look out for anything looking like a so called 'school of higher knowledge' but nothing was yielded of that. I found the Freemasons but they were not anything like a 'fourth way' school although they are a fine group in thier own right.
@TheGschwartz86 He could not drop the last parts of his " EGO" and open himself to the Gurdjief. According to the OSHO, when a pupil comes higher and higher in its spiritual level the difficulties in ones way will grow and to be able to overcome these difficulties the pupil needs to open himself for the master. It needs great sacrifices and the person in question need drop all of his ego. It was not the case with the Ouspensky, he still wanted to be a popular scentist.
Well, Green-rate, you can't make comments like this without explaining yourself. How has this book put more to sleep? It would have never been published, if Gurdjieff didn't give it the "OK" which he did. What Gurdjieffs aim was for doing so is a "?". But I would like to hear your explanation of how it has put to sleep many. Perhaps because of its more appeal to the "intellect" where people think they "know" and not as the Tales, which challenge man to "think" and defeat their "education"
It's interesting . . . that those people who had the highest opinion of Ouspensky . . . also didn't respect his wishes that this book not be published. Ouspensky's judgment has proved right. Overall, his book has put more people to sleep . . . than it has awakened.
I wait long time to see this movie, THANX A film directed by Zivko Nicolic, script adaptation by Milan Peters based on the 1949 book by P.D.Ouspensky. Sidney:Fairway Films in association with Znak Productions Belgrade, 1998, 42 min. black & white. Thoughtfully telescopes Ouspensky's book and glimpses of the teaching he received from Gurdjieff, interspersed with archival footage the Russia Revolution. ~J. Walter Driscoll (Author of Gurdjieff: A Reading Guide)
"This same historical moment when bolshevism triumphed for itself in Russia, and social democracy fought victoriously for the old world also marks the definitive inauguration of an order of things that lies at the core of the modern spectacles rule: this was the moment when an image of the working class arose in radical opposition to the working class itself." - Guy Debord.
