nothing worse when a poor documentary uses odd fragments of aircraft to depict the real aircraft. Also miss leading title so thumb down more research and better producing needed here.
An American bomber crash landed in the Australian outback during the war and the only survivor was rescued by an Indigenous group who found him. He visited them many years later. The others perished before they were found.
Should have never left the aircraft, should have never left the team. In the end, these men's bad example lead to greater development of Survival skills for Pilots and Servicemen in the Desert.
I agree 100%. Although it was fiction, Flight of the Phoenix was based on the Lady Be Good saga, and demonstrated the value of crewmen staying with the aircraft.
The problem was that they thought they were still over water. A water crash-landing in a B-24 (with its high-wing design) was almost always fatal since, rather than skimming the surface and then staying afloat for a few minutes and allowing an opportunity to escape, these planes submerged and broke apart immediately upon touch-down into a body of water. In such instances bailing out would be their best option. Still, they should have at least brought as many supplies with them as possible. Would this have saved them? Possibly, but not likely because they really had no idea just how far in-land they'd flown (400 miles). Had they been aware of this they would have trekked south and possibly gotten out of the desert or at least to a point of rescue. They may even have stumbled across the plane and been able to radio for help. But, being that the crew member who walked the farthest covered less than 1/4 of the true distance back to the Libyan coast, it's unlikely any of them would have made it even if they had brought all of the supplies that had been available to them before bailing out.
Doomed flight actually took off from Sanford / Orlando airport , which is completely different From Orlando international airport - 30 miles north of MCO ( Orlando ) Sanford was a U.S. Navy Air station built in WW 2. Now used as commercial airfield . Take off on runway 27 took the Flight directly over my homestead . Many hi - performance aircraft use the field . Miss Payne Stewart ! Cool guy …
The demand for aircrew was enormous because of huge losses among bomber formations in 1943. Long range escort fighters were not yet available. Training was rushed and incomplete. That's why this aircraft was told to follow the other more experienced aircraft.
I'm a former Air Force member myself, and had no intention of being disrespectful. Please let me know which parts you found to be inaccurate. Thank you
@@airsearch9192 worse part showing a skull, that could have been some ones son or relative. Using three movies that had nothing to do with the mission that were plagiarized, Ignorance of the entire story for starts. I don't know what you did in the Air Force but it certainly wasn't historical research.
"Sole Survivor" was released in 1970 starring Vince Edwards, Richard Basehart, and William Shatner. It is the story of an American B-25 that crashed in the Libyan desert and the crew are now all ghosts.
How many flight hours did he have? This said he been flying for something like 19 years, but how many hours annually and how many in the F-4? That’s a lot of airplane that can get ahead of a pilot quickly. JFK jr had something like 300 hours over 16 years it took him to finally get his PPL. He was a dabbler and in way over his head. Dino seemed like a nice guy with a lot of talent, but experience could have played the big role here. I suspect some strings were pulled to get Dino that coveted Phantom seat. I would think an exemption would also have been needed to go into flight training at his age. It’s a recipe for disaster.
Thanks Robert. Those are very good questions and valuable comments. Funny note, I was stuck at March AFB in 1983 for one entire summer (without a car). Late one night I walked out onto the flightline and climbed up into the cockpit of an F-4. Oh my gosh, it was so cramped and you couldn't see ANYTHING in front of the aircraft, due to the instrumentation piled up in front of you. I could never have flown something like that.
Harold ripslinger is buried aprox 1 hour from me.. I paid my respects recently.. he hiked the furthest.. upon my visit to the Air Force museum years ago my lil girl saluted the display case of sgt toners diary and thermos.. I was so proud
Thank you Todd, it's great to read personal stories like yours and to realized that many of the pilots and crewmen I've talked about are buried right here in our community.
When they found the Lady Be Good they also found the navigator's log book. Instead of finding course plots and navigator calculations the log book was full of doodling.
Perhaps it was intended to be a pictogram, an illustration of their circumnavigation and attempt to find higher ground, shade, water. In a very short time physical pain, from the impact of their hard landing, mental fatigue and emotional stress and dehydration would be come critical factors 9:02 . (This happens frequently to patients in long term health care facilities or left alone in their own homes, when they are unable to access water.) I believe that in this case, the crew ran out of water, the essential key to survival. The consequences are heartbreaking. How did they even survive the crash? Could they have been taken by observant German troops whose records have not been discovered? Did Bedouins rescue them and take them to their camp. So many questions… The winds and sands are keeping their secrets.
Yes gentlemen. I couldn't find any scenes of B-24's taking off from a dirt field in Libya, so I used Catch-22's scenes of B-25 Mitchells taking off. If I thought that nobody would notice I was wrong! lol
Good point, thank you. In my opinion the air traffic controller, (who was overworked) should've made a greater effort to get Dino Jr. turned around. As you recall Dino's F-4 flight wasn't able to increase their altitude due to other aircraft flying overhead. Nonetheless Dino's two wingmen did make the necessary course correction, and survived.
As soon as he said 'Died of STARVATION' I knew the video wasn't squat. A chimpanzee would have sense enough to know thast in the SAHARA you die of THIRST, NOT STARVATION.
In my FMF days , in the middle 80s, Was assigned to MC Arty 1/11 BAS. The Colonel asked me to take a junior Hospital Corpsman with me with Charlie Battery to Chocolate Mountain for a FEX. We lived out there with our base camp back to a Levee and Canal. Was a memorable experience. One evening, My Marines decided to conduct a small arms training a ways out and ask me to go. Ok, and they let me, a senior devil doc live fire an M203 at a cave mouth on a cliff face. Musta had a wicked smile cause the Gunny ask me if I had anyone special I wanted to use this on.
Thank you sir for sharing this personal account. I've jumped into the Coachella Canal a couple of times myself, (but because of a grenade launcher being fired!!).
No mention of his last call to cost gard. They knew where the plan went down. Why the show of the hunt. Why SOO much money spent pretending the call never came and the location was unknown??
N 1943 there was very little to be had for navigation for airplanes as there is today all over the world. Highly doubtful that the best pilot/navigator today could do any better than this crew at night and in cloud cover above the aircraft.
@@terrancenorris9992 I learned to fly with dead reckoning with stopwatch. At least they had not easiest skills. I do not need GPS and all the electronic crap still today. My german pilot licences are now 38 years old.
@@dr.wilfriedhitzler1885 Pretty hard to do 'dead reckoning' when you're over the ocean or desert, there are no landmarks. And I got my Private Pilots license and Instrument rating 40 years ago, I understand this process. This aircraft encountered winds from the Northwest that were MUCH stronger than expected and that was part of the problem. Their radio direction finding equipment onboard was not working and when they requested ground radio detection assistance, the ground crew was only partially helpful-they were able to give them a directional heading, but in fact they had already passed the coast and were really on a reciprocal (180 degrees) heading from the ground controller (his equipment couldn't tell whether they were on one bearing or the reciprocal). The navigator was young, inexperienced and couldn't see the North Star to aid in establishing his position due to sandstorms-he had to rely on estimations of his ground speed and his stopwatch. In fact, his ground speed was MUCH greater than anticipated due to the high winds aloft and they passed the North Africa coast far sooner than they expected. When they discovered the bodies decades later they also found a diary one of the men was filling out-and it was clear they thought they were much closer to the coast than they actually were. 400 miles from the coast, they never had a chance. RIP.
Indeed - poor navigational skills cursed the flight from the moment they took off. But the Brits didn't help by ignoring two of the Lady Be Good's three radio calls.
Pilot error/pilot arrogance. He should have taken the flight instructor with him. He was trying to show off to his wife and impress people at the wedding. Thats all you need to know folks.
So the bodies were submerged in water for 3 days but were able to be identified by autopsy? Would seem to think that they were fish food pretty quickly following the tragic accident. So many odd things surround this event. A huge loss
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His father was a President of the United States. They have secret service for life. Hence, while the government went so overboard with the story and rescue.
There used to be several AC wreck sites in Colorado too. You would hike into a box canyon and theire up on a near vertical wall would a big ball of metal, or in some cases in a steep valley. But air salvage peeps have gone in with heavy lift choppers and cleaned up the big bits. Though can still find bits and pieces of wrecks including shattered engine parts at a few sites. No organic materials at all, the critters eat those up real fast. I once saw a glider pilot nearly eat it in a canyon between the Flatirons of Boulder. I was quietly meditating just below a ridge. I hear a doppler slowing down errrrrrrrrrrrrr noise and it was a glider right at my level below my ridge and the opposite ridge about 500 feet across. The headwall of the box canyon about 500 feet further. I though this guy is about crash. Lucky guy or super cajones. As he approached the wall he pitched it up 90 degrees and at time spun it around 180 on the yaw axis, the nose then straight down, and the air whine on the wings dopplered upward as he picked up speed as he dropped down and got horizontal and level again and glided right back out!!! Amazing Grace for that guy.
If one is willing to sneak into the range at night under the cover of darkness, they can scavenge some really cool unexploded ordnance that makes for extra fun 4th celebrations, etc. Well, except for the cluster bomblet thingys that tend to detonate pretty easily. Lose a few fingers, gain a LOT of respect. So worth it though.
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Music and sound effects add another dimension to a narrated video. The general rule is to use music that "tells the audience how they should feel". If you didn't feel right during the discussion of assassinations I might've chosen the wrong music.
No one mentions this but Seeing the physical arguments they had I wouldn't be surprised he got distracted by another fight in the air and lost control of the plane. Or maybe drinking or his daily pot smoking could had played a role We will never know the truth.
