At 05:45 knights player coulda responded with ramzas dull 4 knights to break the shadow lord And 14:08 Sophie draws a card and hits a point of damage. Think you guys forgot the draw
Tested Nelapa out last night and thoroughly enjoy it. It applied an interesting type of pressure that sort of slows the opponent down, but only to an extent that they didn’t WANT to cast summons. Oscar kept ditching Amaterasu’s which let me have free range to go in. ~Ryan
I have added the mono water CHARK deck list link in the description. If you decide to test it or make any changes let us know how it goes! thanks for commenting and we will work on posting the FF6 deck list as well. ~ Oscar
Yeah I 100% would've just searched the zangetsu and passed right there, because Cloud wasn't saving you, then pray for a Maina or Hooded Man EX so you can Ixion in their combat step. Unfortunately did hit the Maina EX on 6
This is actually my brothers deck. I'm pretty new to ninjas myself. I have played against them many times but not piloted them. After playing it, i now know a few plays to make differently for sure. thanks for the advice and commenting! ~Oscar
I did screw that up! I don’t know why I counted that as a cast.. I think I tried to do that in a later game in the match again but caught myself.. Good Catch! ~Ryan
Looking at this Dragoon deck I come to a conclusion that Shinryu should either be banned or reprinted in some set. Absolutely every deck benefits from 3x and playing any less is not optimal.
I highly considered monster, but my worry was two things: 1- Monsters don’t provide any EX bursts that punish Aggro from swinging early while i’m getting setup. 2- Monster incentivize LB Shantotto. Not that she’s super prevalent anyways, but most decks are using 1 of her as an “Oh Shit” button. The game plan was always to slow down the Meta and allow me to take my time and punish boards that get too wide. With Monsters you can definitely still achieve that, it just didn’t fit my original game plan for the deck. ~Ryan
to be honest. As a player since that era and played this exact same deck several times. Gesper remain banned is fine. Thamarturge can be unban. Argath is not played now there’s no reason for Thamarturge to remain played. 2cp to just discard a card doesnt do much now. especially with the amount of board clears and big forwards. And ixion being around just make this deck not able to rampant as much with the current meta.
I'm basically in the same boat. Thaumaturge is fine .. Gesper is not. I personally don't like erratas unless it's due to like a straight up translation error. If the card was meant to function how it's written, then that's fine but now we have to deal with it. ~Ryan
Thaumaturge should never *ever* be in contention to come off the banlist. Essentially being a 4 of with Argath, I've played games where they all came down by turn 2 and whereas Gesper was pretty harsh, Turge was the one dealing damage. Gesper has been fairly retrained into Yunalesca
That is true with Thaumaturge being the one dealing the damage. Could be rough even in today’s meta game where we have those little guys stripping hands and then swinging for damage. ~Ryan
Ice has the best crystal generation in the game with opus 16 agries giving you 1 on swing and with duke larg on board she is a 9k beat stick 10k with ovelia 11k if you have them two and opus 13 luka then there is the opus 19 waltrill end of your turn gain a crystal played for free off opus 19 norschtalen just saying
Ice does have a lot of ways to gain, i just feel like they’re rather slow by themselves, but once you get a few going they’ll stack really well. Oscar and I have been toying with that Wind/Water and it seems really fun. Not sure it’ll be competitive until we see the other cards in O23. ~Ryan
@@TheStackFFTCG I use to play an ice water knights deck where the idea was to get the 3 cost light rain down with glaciela and ramada and just spam crystal s to -4k twice then give haste then give ramada double damage it worked quite well not Meta but fast
@@TheStackFFTCG I think opus 21 has more tools but with the speed of the game and the cost of things is very different now and mono ice has a harder time because we can just draw cast I don't think the game would change much if the forword came back but the monster would need to have its text changed to match unaleca
I decided to get into this game over the last couple of weeks after my last couple of TCGs lost their scene where I live. I grabbed anniversary set 2024 and preordered a box of the next 2 main sets which look super cool. Really appreciate this kind of content to help get new players in (better late than never right?!), thanks very much
Lunafreya is simply going to be an include in lists with water. With the rabbit and astrologian, it’ll be even better. Timing with knowledge of your deck and your possible hits will be a from of skill expression that will look nearly identical to someone just slamming it and praying. But the difference will be there in the results. Watch out for water’s continued craziness. It’ll be interesting to see what other LB cards pop up. Another thing I was speaking about with friends is that after Lunafreya, casting a single Leo removes one of water’s win conditions in Tidus. A water deck holding off on Leo for bigger payoffs in Lunafreya + Tidus might feel strange considering how strong Leo is. Time will tell, but the LB choices are definitely going to get more interesting next set… except for wind (yuri is already an auto exclusion)
Agreed that Lunafreya is going to create a super interesting top end for Water. It’s kind of scary that it’s anything that can run Water as well. Stacking the deck with stuff like Astro is definitely going to be a stupid good way of manipulating things to your favor. I’m excited to see what we can do with that. Also good point that Water may have these SUPER powers too end cards like Tidus and Lunafreya but you’ll be stuck with the choice of what to play, to ensure you don’t lock yourself out of certain options. ~Ryan
I think you’re implying that hope would summon 2 category XIII from deck in a single turn. Of course this doesn’t work, but using rug to get around summoning sickness so hope can pay the cost of the action ability does work. Rug is just being used as a haste battery. On your turn you summon rug and hope. Hope summons a category XIII character. Move to attack phase. Rug attacks and gives hope all the keywords. Hope, despite summoning sickness, has haste and can now attack or use the dull ability on the card. If hope attacks and has brave, hope is still active. Before your turn is over, you can utilize the haste one more time to use hope’s ability. Turn 2, hope enters with summoning sickness. During attack phase, you use rug to give hope at least haste. Rinse repeat.
I am thinking of trying this game with my gf. What are your two player starter recommendations? Also when we upgrading our starters can we split 1 anniversary box our will i need to get multiple?
For the two player starters: if you're fans of FF7, there's two that fit that bill. The Avalanche and Turks one is the newer of the two. The Cloud and Sephiroth one may be older, but man I'm partial to the cloud in there .. it's a fun 'combo' card that really gets the brain going. Villains vs Heroes / Wraith vs Knight are both fairly outdated at this point, but an optimist would argue that it may be perfect for that same reason. Will get you familiar with the mechanics of the game without throwing some gimmick at you. Personally not a fan of these. FFXIV Shadowbringers has a really steep price tag on it if you're in NA .. unless you just have to have that one, I would choose something else, simply because it's so expensive. Cecil and Golbez is rather fun. The light Cecil in there has some fun things it can do. The Golbez side is okay, but the Cecil side was definitely my favorite side. This would be a get it if you like FF4, pass if you don't. Then we have Noctis and Ardyn. Probably my favorite two player set, but I'm super partial to the retainers. They're super fun to play, right out of the box. Doesn't need much upgrading but can definitely be personalized. The Ardyn side is not nearly as fun to play with, but it's still a solid deck to start with. Personally, this is my pick. For the anniversary kits: You for sure can split one amongst the two player sets. The best part about those starts is that they typically don't cross elements at all. So if you split them, you could easily just take the Earth and Wind cards for the Noctis deck and then the Lightning and Fire cards for the Ardyn deck! Highly recommend splitting it to get your feet wet. ~Ryan
I would recommend you lurn how the stack works and how end of turn works as they are the 2 most asked questions I see or get when I cheat in laswel and an other knight because they enter at the same time you can stack it so laswel enters first then the other knight to get 2 dull freeze triggers and no laswel dose not need to be on board to when a job knight attacks to get the discard at the end of turn and no you can not amat the discard trigger
Very true! These are very common questions we see. We’ve been wanting to make some more intermediate videos talking about how the stack functions and how confusing these interactions can be. ~Ryan
Ah gotcha thankyou, I was reading the CR and both players do in fact get priority, but since you aren't allowed to cast summons, nor action/special abilities, what's the usage case of the priorities then?
Nope it’s honestly really good, but it’s more of a “Starter Deck” with a few solid reprints rather than a full on “bang for your buck” type of product. Still a solid purchase, but probably not for your first purchase in my opinion. ~Ryan
As mentioned, yea, that’s a pretty common meme for FFTCG. Happy to have you here! If you’re familiar with MTG, this is come pretty easy to you. Hope you find something you enjoy whether it’s collecting or playing! ~Ryan
Excellent video. I started 3 months ago and what you presented are my conclusions after buying my first few things and now down the rabbit hole with a ton of cards now. I’d recommend people the same path.
I had earth chaos ark and refia control right out the gate in my first two games and then I ran into chaos ark twice more. From my lens at Chicago, chaos ark felt to be the meta call against a surge of 4-color good stuff lists. I found it to be a rather large portion of the room. Whatever you play should have an answer to it and to the 4-color good stuff. Can you deal with at least 3 refia and her handful of revivals? Anything with consistent removal on top of some breakzone hate or rfg options while staying low on colors or having access to ability cancellation (for chaos) should do well.
Nice! What was your overall experience in Chicago? How’d you end up? I agree, dealing with Refia over and over needs to be something you’re prepared for. Or just running over them before they can revive her. Mono Earth checking a lot of boxes right now! 🤔 ~Ryan
@@TheStackFFTCG I did okay! Was my first ever tournament, so I did 3-5 with a soul crushing throw on my 4th game. Overall experience was incredible and the community is awesome. I love mono earth, and the only thing it needs in the matchup is to keep up in removal because otherwise you really get outpaced. Needing to remove a refia every turn can get expensive and then you lose the tempo game.
Thanks a lot for the sharing! We will soon have a big match of two decks, any cards including LB can't be used in both the two decks. I'm preparing to use WOL7(Seifer) and mono water, or mono earth Chaos and knights. Really appreciate if you could give some advices!
Honestly, my mental state going in right now is Multi-Element decks are going to be running away with things if they aren’t kept in check. Chaos/Ark does that best. When Chaos/Ark is popular, Mono Element decks become better. If you have a Mono Element deck that can beat both WoL7 and 4C (Refia/Soiree) then you’re in a good position. Knights seem like a wild card at the moment. I feel like in a 2 deck format you’d have to be playing out of your mind to not get countered. I feel like most people are going to do well against knight if they you dont get the turn 1 Ramza > Curilla > Laswell > Charlotte. But .. my luck is terrible so I am 100% biased on that haha. WoL7 and Mono Water are my picks. Especially if you built Mono Water with LB Tidus as your end game.. i’d say you’re solid. ~Ryan
It’s always fun! One of my favorite things about this game is the community. Everyone’s nice, everyone’s happy to be there! If you catch us, say hey! We’ll jam some games with you! ~Ryan
Hey me again! I was just at a LQ recently and realized an interesting ruling about Ark. Ark, even if it can’t break something will still require the discard as long as Ark had a valid target. This came up against Madam Edel. The soiree members couldn’t be broken but were still valid targets forcing the discard. Preventing targeting (as you said in the video), however, does stop it (water Cecil etc.)
This makes more sense now. As long as there is a valid target at time of resolution, the effect still goes through. Meaning that you’d have to make the forward untargetable on the stack or remove it before Ark resolves to ensure and dodge the discard. Thank you for that! ~Ryan
Great video, recently picked up the new anniversary collection and want to get into playing more. Everything was explained clearly and detailed. Appreciate and hope you guys make more!
I think people have continuously been doing Bartz math incorrectly. “Paying 4 for luneth with Bartz special” is literally the same as paying for luneth by himself with a red card because he’s also a cost 4. We should count his draw/hand cost as well. Bartz effect should be considered like your Bartz in hand is literally the card you’re playing from deck but pretending you can pay for it with any color. The difference in tempo is that instead of backup, backup. You need to include a printed 2 cost forward (4 realized cost) in the middle of your the backup setup. Also consider that playing just 1 backup with Bartz does not help you use a backup to play an even costed card next turn. And, wol backups are all even costed (if they ever get an odd costed backup, this might change). So Bartz really wants to have 3 cards hit the field turn 1 in order to continue to curve out different colored backups.
I get this logic, my issue is, and probably more thought out than what was said in the video is that you’re required to draw this card which enables this line of play. You’re forced to build the deck in a specific way that takes up space if you’re still trying to run a high number backup count. Something that I mentioned in a video that will hopefully go up tomorrow (Monday) is that my biggest issue with Bartz is that A, you have to have O22 Bartz and B, you end up running a fairly high amount of wind in the deck if you’re running anything other than O16 Bartz. Which Wind definitely doesn’t feel like the stronger element in the 4C Decks. I like the lines of play that Time Magic enables, but idk not sure it’s proven that it’s better than 4C all around. I think it has the toolbox capabilities sooner than 4C good stuff but removes several EX Burst cards to do so. Even though, I still think that if my main 2 options don’t feel good Chicago, i still fall back to Time Magic. ~Ryan
I do not agree with comparing Gilgamesh and Seifer though. and stating Seifer is better is way too bias. Seifer requires a 2 card combo and on top of it many cards in the bz as a prerequisite is actually a lot (milling 2 cards and getting both fujin raijin on the board is actually not that easy)(can be stopped easily by Mist Dragon or even early attack from Irvine) while Gilgamesh is a natural process of the game (playing backups). Moreover the current mono earth has so many ways to build backups fast (miner/clarus kings etc) and lastly, Gilgamesh protection is so much harder to be removed and the protection is so much harder to remove than Seifer.
I can appreciate the logic here. I can't remember my exact words in the video, but I think Seifer and Gilgamesh are eerily similar, but they both fit their elements so well. Seifer has the potential to be a bolt of lightning when he enters by having haste from Raijin and when he swings just snaps something off the board. He's balanced by having that vulnerability with requiring Raijin and a healthy Break Zone to be able to do his thing on the turn he enters and then has little to no protection after he's on board. Gilgamesh costs a bit more, requires a little more investment for the protection, but that fits Earth so well. Not needing another card to break on the turn it enters, just the extra CP. Being untargetable with the right setup just pays you back for taking the time to get those backups down early. I think this would be an interesting question to ask someone: "Which card do you prefer; Seifer or Gilgamesh?" That would indicate to me a lot of their methods of play and preferences on play style. Are they the type to setup and wait for a payoff or the type to come out swinging and leave yourself vulnerable..? ~Ryan
We mentioned a bit at the end for CAT6, but to summarize my thoughts at least: CAT6 needs more setup time than say, Knights, to really get going. I think there are plenty of tech pieces you could add in that would help slow down the opponent, but i feel like in general, you’re going to have a more uphill battle versus the other S/A Tier decks that. GigaWoL really only needs 1 backup to consistently establish and stay established. CAT6 feels like it needs more. If you built a deck that dumped a bunch of forwards and just needed O20 Setzer, you’d be in a decent spot, but that’s where I feel like it ends up being a rogue pick with techs to beat the S/A tier decks. ~Ryan
I think it's either an alternative cost if you also remove a card called X from the breakzone or the primed card would cost this price instead of it's actual cost for as long as this card is in play. :)
Maybe! I could see it being something where you pay the 2CP and then the next time you would cast the card named “Ifrit (XVI)” it’s reduced by that 2CP. Basically have 2 backups that you’re holding for some summon that wasn’t relevant during their turn; when they go to pass, prime your card and then during your turn drop it for 2CP less? Could be interesting. Adding in some more mind gaming! ~Ryan
Guys thank you so much for making this video. It's very easy to understand for a beginner like me and I really like having the image of the card as you are explaining its mechanics. Hope to see more FF TCG content.
Really good video. I recently got a couple of friends to play FFTCG and I'm not the best when it comes to teaching and this video can hopefully help them and the fact it's modern fftcg, it can help them better
i think bahamut the faris on the turn faris comes out. so that she only deals a total of 4 k on something isntead of 3 3k pings. and also. on stack of faris ability to deal 1k to everything you can use bartz special to deal an extra 3k which is pretty good. search with faris but before 1k resolution use bartz special.
So this list was heavily inspired from an older YYT video, and then built based on what we had at the time. So it’s definitely dated but it’s meant to be ALL GAS and NO BRAKE type of mentality. materiahunter.com/decks/v3WyC8qNiA3kaRtQiB1T
