I think the shunning rule change excludes apostates like us. In waking my father up, I think piquing their curiosity has been most effective. "Did the change in shunning rules correspond with any specific current events?" Innocuous question, they get curious, fall down the rabbit hole. I asked that to my elder father and he had to know. Was a very productive conversation.

Hi Kim maybe try next time asking them if they consider it "New Light" More of a street epistemology approach. They might be more likely to respond.then depending if they answer ask then about whether scripture is needed to consider it "New Light" just a thought.