MY GRAND DAD AND NAN , MUM AUNTS LIVED IN DALSTON, EAST LONDON , MY GARD DAD WORKED ON HIS COSTA MONGERS BARROW IN SPITTLE FIELDS MARKET , LIVERPOOL STREET LONDON , HE WALK THE 2 .3 MILES THERE AND MAYBE STAGGER BACK ,CAUSE THE PUBS OPEND DIFFERENTLY , OR GET THE TRAM, HE SOME TIMES PUT A HOT IRON IN HIS BEER , MADE IT STRONGER I BELIEVE HE HAD 1 PURPLE SUITE, FOR FRIDAY NIGHTS SAT , AND SUNDAYS , MONDAY MORN NAN WOULD PORN IT FOR A FEW PENNIES , THEN GET IT OUT BY FRIDAY , ONE FRIDAY SHE FORGOT HE WENT RAVING MAD CHASED AROUND THE FRONT ROOM TABLE WONT SAY WITH WHAT 77 HE RETIRED , HE PUSHED HIS BARROW FROM LIVER POOL STREET WITH A LOAD TO BALHAM S W LONDON 7 1/2 MILES 15 MILES ROUND TRIP, AFTER A SAT NIGHT DRINK , HE WENT DOWN A SIDE STREET AND HAD JIMMY RIDDLE , TURNED AND 2 GIANT 6 1/2 FOOT M P S WERE IN FRONT OF HIM , ONE SAID , REMEBER THIS WAS IN 1914-15 WHY ARNT YOU IN THE ARMY, GRAN DAD SAID I HAVE 5 KIDS TO FEED AND A WIFE TO FEED , NO EXCUSE SO DO MANY OTHER THOUSANDS , NAME ADDRESS, 2 DAYS LATER HIS CAAL UP PAPERS WERE ON THE MANTLE PIECE , NAN IN TEARS ,H E WENT TO SALONIKA, WHERE HE GOT MALARIA DIFFERENT PEOPLE BACK THEN SALT OF THE EARTH GOOD EASTEND PEOPLE GIVE YOU THE SHIRT OFF THERE BACKS OH BEFORE I GO C OF E DONT HAVE FATHERS , ROMAN CATHOLICS DO ANGLICANS HAVE VICARS STILL GREAT PEOPLE
It's a bit anbigious. Does it mean can speak english or speak as first language? I think parts of scotland, ireland and wales speaks their celtic language as first language.
@@mrmingsun It basically means the majority of people in that area are not fluent in English or do not have their own English dialect per se, and therefore it does not make sense to talk about rhoticity.
The last accent sounds more like an Ashington accent to me - I lived in Holywell Village - 1 mile away from Earsdon - I also worked in Cramlington. I would hear Ashington accents where I worked it's very particular - rolling r's etc - this last accent is an Ashinggton accent - perhaps they are originally from there (rather than Earsdon )?
I'd say there should be more blue in Lancashire, especially in the burrow of pendle and areas close! Because a lot of old people do sound like this (silent generation mainly). It's a dying accent, quite literally. 1:05 is just what my great gran sounded like (she'd be about 98 is she was still alive) , and my grandparents sounded similar (would have been 85 and 86 now) they had slightly less heavy of an accent). They lived just outside of the only blue part of northern England (on your map). Edit: Just to clarify the great grandmother is on my dad's side and my two other grandparents are on my mum's. My great gran did not a kid when she was 13.
my father's family is from Bristol. My grandparents and their sibblings all have fully rhotic accents, whilst my aunt has variable rhoticity and my dad has none. These days, even in the west country, you don't hear too many people with rhotic accents. More often the rural/working class people, same in Bristol. I wonder whether it will die out down west in the next few generations.
Rhoticity in Bristol is very class based nowadays, i am a very proud Bristolian and i am rhotic but i also feel like the most bristolian person most places i go, apart from at the gas, proper rhotic bristolians there mind
Also i think especially in Bristol itself there are a decent lot of people who are proud to have strong accents, in cases like me having a stronger accent than both my parents and grandparents
@PingoUTFG oh for sure and I think it always has been. The interesting thing about accents, especially when they intersect with class is that these class-based identity markers can lead to both things happening - a weakening and strengthening of dialectal forms. I grew up personally in South london, since only my dad's side are bristolian, and I have a stronger south london accent than my mother who also grew up there. When I've been in Bristol I haven't heard too much of the accent, although I've never been to the areas my grandparents grew up in - Bedminster for my grandfer and I can't remember for my grandma. When I hear the west country accent these days out and about it makes me quite nostalgic, especially now my grandma is gone.
its interesting watching celtic languages fade over time, and the accents that stem from this, though it'd be interesting to see the reintroduction on this map (gaeltachts etc.)
Remember, the Celtic regions are monolingually Celtic, which is why I included them. They didn't have an English dialect at that time, so needed a separate colour.
Brings back memories of me & my husband when we worked the clubs. Did some shows with Harry & he gave us some lovely write ups in the BlackCountry Bugle.
It's funny I always thought it was only RC priests who wore birettas and not CoE priests. Basil looked so much older than 30 as many people did in those days.
This is wonderful. A lot of this dialect was sort of mish mashed with other regional twangs in my older relatives. I still use a lot of those old words and phrases today
This is absolutely wonderful. So reminiscent... I'm from Yorkshire, but my Mum came originally from Brierley Hill. From being tiny my younger sister and myself were sent to stay with our Granny, and Great-grandparents down in The West Midlands (or Staffordshire as it was in the mid 60's) for the long school holidays, so we had great periods at a stretch, hearing the black country accent, which is a strong accent by any standard, and has very particular vocabulary and usages. Much later both of us went on to study languages at university, and I'm convinced that it stemmed from us having to decipher our Grandparents dialect with no-one to translate for us...! It was like a voyage into the foreign and it tuned our ear to different sounds and ways of using words. Marvellous... I miss my Black country people so much now, (Mum's lost her accent as she's been in Yorkshire for 60+ years- we've sadly naturalised her 😔) but I love it when I land on anyone from the Midlands. It takes me straight back. 💖🙏
LOL. The new Tipton Gas Works he mentioned didnt last long, it was knocked down in the 90's and a housing estate built. I live in one those houses. My house is where a cooling tower once was. Small world.
In 1700, Ireland was almost entirely Irish-speaking, beyond the settler colonial class, so you have Leinster completely wrong. Also, Munster and Connacht were still largely Irish-speaking in 1850. If you're not familiar with Irish history, please focus on your own British history instead. Irish speakers still exist in 2024 and we have a range of our dialects to go with it. One cannot speak Irish correctly without the r sound, and traditionally the broad r is thrilled as you find in the Spanish r and in Italian examples too. The slender Irish r is completely different to English.
I absolutely agree that almost all of Ireland should have been a 'non English speaking' area until 1750 or so. That's one of several mistakes I made! I am particularly interested in the Irish language. It's a great shame that the English R sound is spreading into the Irish language, even among younger native speakers.
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Interesting! I've been looking for any information about the famous "Enoch & Eli" jokes for ages, and this is the first thing that has come up. When I lived in the West Midlands I often heard references to them, but I have never actually heard one before! This must be a pretty rare clip.
I often scour the internet (and sometimes physical archives) looking for old recordings, transcriptions etc, so I'm well aware really of all the painstaking work this represents. So thank you!
I was asking myself how come the US has a rhotic accent (in the majority of its territory). I was thinking maybe it came from Ireland, maybe it developed from people from other ethnicities (who were just learning English and didn't know how and when to drop the ''r''). But I am now fascinated that the real question should have been where did the non-rhotic accent come about in the UK and that the original English accents were actually rhotic and rural areas still are. I guess the upper-class / lower-class differentiation that is present in the UK and of which the indicator is the difference in rhoticity, got lost in the US or rather it changed into something new. Now an interesting idea for new videos would be to show the non-rhotic accents in the US and old accents still present today (Tangiers VA basically has an accent that sounds like it's from 1850 England). And also how did the accents change over time in Ireland. All in all, great videos. Answered a very interesting question for me.
Non-rhotic English was an invention of the upper strata of London society, popularized beginning in the 18th century. It was also taken as upper-strata talk by people of the Eastern Seaboard cities of the US (epitomized by JFK), as well as the upper class of the American South.
People sometimes ask "Did Americans in the 1700s have English accents?" If you mean the stereotyped south east English accent of today, the answer is a definite No. But then neither did the English. Modern East coast American is in fact probably closer to the accents of the early English settlers than modern "standard" British English is.
It's all about prestige. The reason the US and Ireland have kept rhoticity whilst England has lost it is because in the US and Ireland, rhoticity is a prestige feature whilst in England it is largely a marker of rural speech these days, since as the creator said, rhoticity was lost in all major cities besides Bristol over 100 years ago. In New York speech for example, rhoticity is seemingly reappearing, since the non-pronunciation of the r is considered a marker of lower class speech. In Ireland, the same thing is true, with rhoticity as the main prestige. It proves that prestige in England is not necessarily related to prestige in America or Ireland.
Interesting thing about being from Edinburgh is everyone that has a stereotypical Scottish sounding accent is rhotic, but because there’s a lot of posh people they grow up having a kind of flat or just English sounding accent they’re probably non-rhotic.
I'm American and this is fascinating!! I was especially fascinated by the first recording of the guy with the rhotic accent in southeast England near London!!! I wonder how old these recordings are.
I have family from Denby Dale who speak as broad, if not more so, than this. This is so close to standard English, I doubt any Brits would struggle with this.
Here's a recording from Skelmanthorpe, just up the road from Denby Dale: sounds.bl.uk/Accents-and-dialects/Survey-of-English-dialects/021M-C0908X0048XX-0100V1 I'll be uploading a video soon comparing lots of dialects from different parts of Yorkshire.
@@thedialectarchive5379 That’s very different from my cousins and their friends. My family say things like "What’s tha on we" and "Gee or". They mean "What do you mean" and "Give over".
It says Pateley Bridge which is now North Yorkshire and was West Riding. Certainly a long way from what is now Cumbria or was Cumberland or Westmorland.
This is East Yorkshire dialect: An Aw rubb'd some floor- rubb'd some lard inti mi floor, bit o salt, an then Aw mix'd all up wi some warm watther an Aw kneaded it real weel"
It's funny you have taken an interest in that particular recording, because I actually transcribed and 'translated' the whole thing ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kJd9-iujl1Q.html
The only linguistic feature I could find that differs from modern London accents is the tapped R sound at 1:00 on the word "here" ("round here on his own"). Londoners at this time also said the words "gone", "off", "dog" with the same vowel sound as "born", "talk" etc. I can't hear any examples in this video.
Here's a recording of someone who is obviously a native Queenslander using that same vowel in "off": ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HF920_T3tM8.html This is typical of much older Aussie accents, so it's very interesting to hear it survive so long!
@@RheaDawnLanguage Very interesting. That vowel sound seems to be present in most older non-rhotic accents, for example in the East Coast of the US, South Africa, and cockney / RP before c.1930. In the UK, I don't think it has ever really existed far outside London.
The speed the barman hand pulls those pints is incredible. Not sure what's changed with the pumps or the beer but you simply can't pull a pint that quick with a hand pump these days.
I was a barman in 1971 when hand pulled beer was under threat from keg but many pubs still had just one mild and one bitter pump. To pull a pint you gave two pulls, bringing up roughly half a pint each pull and then, one slow pull to top up. It was faster than keg delivery which was based on the strength of the gas. Our pipes for the hand pulls had a wide diameter. Today's beer lines are narrower. Also, the beer engines are not the same quality as those days. Our hand pumps were set into the bar, not just attached on little wooden platforms like today.
