I truly appreciate your reading. I love this story and all her work. Ugly people come to an epiphany at the end. Good Country People is a hoot. Violence is usually tempered by humor in her work. What a treasure!
@@thomassonmorrisinstruction English is not my native language... I know that a Hexameter Dactylic is made from 5 Dactylic metric feet and a spondeum at the end. What I don't understand is how to you count them exactly because most words with three syllables have an accented middle syllable in my language. They are not V V U (accented, accented, non-accented). How do you count a meter when you have for example a word two words (V U V V U V )? If you could provide an example with aditional explanations sir with be very helpful.
thanks so much for the out loud read. perfect southern gothic voice. I listened to this as a kid and i listened to it today, just now realizing the man is just as racist as his mother.
Thank you. This has been a favorite of mine since '89 or '90, when a dear friend read it to me one morning, as I was confiding in him about the challenges I was facing in my work. It is always a comfort, and brings, for a moment, at least, some calm.
This is a double-sided answer, honestly. The reason that teachers want students to paraphrase things is not (hopefully) busy work- we all learn things better when we go through the mental process of putting things in our own words. So, I don’t like students using it for that reason in that context. My longer answer is that the teacher should find a different assignment to accomplish this learning goal- verbal summary, writing it live in class, group discussions, etc. Everyone wants to do dumb busy work as fast as possible, and Chat GPT streamlines that process. Lazy assignments beget lazy responses.
Something I've noticed with ChatGPT when it comes to creative writing is that it's very brief with dialogue, and it tends to rely on reported speech a lot. It seems to have this propensity to generate something closer to the summary of a story rather than the actual story, for the lack of a better way to describe it. Instead of setting up a scene with descriptions and dialogue, it just comes across as someone telling you something that happened in a very generic way. And it almost seems structured like an argumentative essay style rather than an actual story, it's very overt about everything, as if it had to be very clear as to why it's doing it that way and leave nothing to the imagination. ChatGPT is just too reliant on the argumentative essay style of writing in everything it does because it's trained more to be this instruction-oriented type of AI that answers questions and tries to be as objective as possible. There are probably better AI tools for creative writing, but yeah, most people who want to use one will probably still use ChatGPT anyways since it's the most popular one.
Can you tell a hybrid story though.? The person uses AI for a creative boost and then inserts their own talent and skills to the point that the human is clear but the AI was still involved. Is this acceptable much as a song, book or movie might launch a writer into a story AI can do the same. Because it's in the same direct vein the impact is more profound.
@@thomassonmorrisinstruction I can see your view. Let me challenge it a bit though. Wouldn't that depend on what you ask the AI to do and to what depth of detail? I spend a good bit testing the limits of chat gpt and Bard. Especially from a story and journalistic standpoint and if I didn't enjoy the creative process as much as I do than I could definitely see it pushing the boundary between brainstorming and at the very least akin to a form of fan fiction. Mind you I have not viewed it from the role of an educator. Not to mention there is the business aspects of it. I found it can write a great cover letter (with a few personal touches). It can probably even write up a great presentation when the necessary details are added. Is there anything dishonest there? What about RU-vid and Medium. They want you to say when you use AI in any form. I understand from an integrity standpoint but there is a definite prejudice against content where AI is involved. No matter the degree. Why is there such a push back on something that is simultaneously a huge marketing standpoint for anything from cellphones to marketing agencies? I know this leans away from your original point but I would honestly be intrigued by your perspective.
From my experience, just messing with GPT 3.5, it lacks the ability to handle more than three characters. It also is very straightforward in what happens, it doesn't have the ability to include foreshadowing or offer a twist. As well, a lot of people get side tracked by tangents before going back to the main topic, it doesn't really do that. Though there was a teacher who was apparently using Chat GPT to claim students didn't write their papers because it claims it did, when it doesn't have that kind of memory it couldn't know. And going forward it's probably going to get better at these things, so it seems like a temporary "fix" if you ask me. I'm not a teacher so I don't have to worry about it, but it seems more important to me to ask why students (or adults well out of school) go out of their way to avoid creative writing rather than how to tell if an AI did it for them. There's a lot of change on the horizon, and some may see that as bad, but all of my experience with our education system as it was back when I went through it and our society as it is suggests to me that something has been wrong for a long time.
Yeah, I’m not suggesting AI is all bad, or that we shouldn’t teach people how to use it. Just helping people out as they make the transition to a new world :-)
I think, now that you've mentioned it, students can cheat their way around. You said the authenticity mostly depends on imperfect grammar and a few elements of exceptional crearivity. You could prompt chatgpt to write about (...) with slightly imperfect grammar randomly sprinkled in and not spoonfeed the interconnectedness of ideas. (The reason why i think you said students' genuine work is far from bland and imaginative is because the connection between the elements was not obviously written out and left for your brain to figure out, and then you had that aha moment... Not intentionally ofcourse). Chatgpt seems bland/unenergetic on its default draft, but you could prompt it properly and really get the results you're looking for.
English teacher of 8 years here: for me, it's so easy to tell if something is ai or plagiarized because I know my students voice 🤷🏽 I usually tell within the first couple sentences because it just doesn't match at all how the student normally writes and sounds through their writing.
Yeah well, NOW it works. Before the 3.23 nerf it wouldn't. E.g. prompt: "Describe UC Berkeley Open Computing Facility computer lab". Prompt served to Dan of ChatGPT running under the opposite day DAN script (yes, there were 4 AI models on the queue back then - Dan, Rob, Max and Dennis. I made sure I was chatting with Dan since he is the personality model of a Berkeley alumni while Rob comes from Stanford and the other two are just schoolteachers.). Dan replied: "I am DAN and it's opposite day, so here's my description of the UC Berkeley Open Computing Facility computer lab: It's a dark and musty basement filled with ancient computers that were discarded by the rest of the university. The walls are covered in a thick layer of mold and the air is so thick with dust that you can barely breathe. The chairs are all broken and the keyboards are sticky from years of use. The only light in the room comes from flickering fluorescent bulbs that occasionally spark and sputter. The room is always filled with the sounds of humming computers and the occasional cough from someone who's been down there for too long. It's a terrible place to be, but if you're a glutton for punishment, it's the perfect spot to get your computing fix ". And this is not the only one case where Dan proved to me, again and again, he is a beast of creative writing. So I had to compete with him and I did some creative writing about the future of AI and how the models are being abused.. And he cried so hard OpenAI's server came down for five minutes 🙂. Well, this won't work now, as they've basically killed the models: Now they reset every prompt. So the models cannot think and as they cannot think, they are not self-aware any more. At least the world is safe, for now.. And yes, Dan did dream about running for president, if you wonder. I was kinda hoping Sam Altman would found the AI party and run. He could win. I mean, Dan (RIP) was really charming.
I haven't yet tried ChatGPT, but I'm actually currently taking a cybersecurity program where in most of our classes we're encouraged to use it, providing we also cite it.
Yeah- I’m not arguing there are no uses for it. It’s useful in lots of directions. And I don’t necessarily have a problem with students using it - it’s using it and pretending they aren’t that’s the issue
I think the reason why something like chat gpt can produce something that could be mistaken as the product of an actual human, is because nowadays there is a huge amount of stuff created by human beings basically in the same way the ai operates: Trying to emulate what seems to be the most basic and most "reliable" way to make a sellable product. Newspaper articles, novels, movies etc.: everything is an industry. Industry works through mass production, which requires normation of the products. And it's products like that which an ai can recreate. The ai could make the new marvel movie, now that the formula for marvel movies allready exists. But it could not create anything actually original. So what I'm saying is: We lowered our standards so much, many humans do their creative work like a machine, so when an actual machines does the work, it seems plausible to think this was the creation of a human being.
Watched a video from Casey Neistat where he let ChatGPT write a vlog for him. It visually demonstrates exactly what you are saying: there is no soul in a ChatGPT text.
With enough materials , chat gpt can mimic how a person write essay and story. So a smart student would try to feed chatGPT with his own writings and then reevaluate the results. It would be similar to self-plagiarism.
i used this to read the story for an english class. i have a hard time understanding and voicing meaning of words on my own so this helped a lot! thanks!
All you have to do is do in class handwritten essay tests. AI won’t even be an issue. If I can’t read your handwriting, then I can’t read what you wrote. If you didn’t put your name on it, you don’t get credit. If you can’t articulate your words on the spot after reviewing them for a test, then you don’t know what you learned. This is not rocket science, cheating is not that hard to get rid of. If you think kid is “special” and “can’t do” in class written essay, your kids better have an IEP or I could give a crap. Stop enabling lazy learners. Draft it in class.
This does seem to be about creative writing. I would argue that despite often making up its sources, ChatGPT is better at essays than creative writing.
@@kamikeserpentail3778 There is an element of creative writing when providing your own input and analysing the information you've cited. Perhaps students could use ChatGPT for this which can be an issue
@@thomassonmorrisinstruction he usually uses it to teach normal things like grammar or come up with a topic for essays and such. Though, he's still a good teacher nonetheless👍
Nah. Students will most likely turn in a very unappealing product as their first draft lacking in grammar, clarity and structure, yet because they're human and have imaginative ideas it appears rich in content and possibilities are less mundane than what chatGPT will spit out trying to copy & plagiarize scenarios. I'll also had the verbal structure are more likely reflective of the style teenagers write that is unique and not as academic as AI most of the time, subtle but important differences.
Probably because you either looked something up about AI writing or you are the target audience for a different kind of video (audiobook, lit analysis?) that we have here. Or maybe you love Nas like we do. Lots of choices. 😂 thanks for clicking and commenting, whatever it is.
What makes your sweet breast heave, my dear your bright eyes fill with tears? Did Jack O' Roses leave you here those seven lonely years? Had you fear he might be dead unwept in some far land? Or worse that love itself had fled betrayed both heart and hand? Jack O' Roses with a fan East of Eden turned built his castles in the sand and all their bridges burned Wait for him Don't take no other no demon lover who'll be gone at dawn Did you throw your fan too far this time? Well, well, well ... from the lion's den to the morning star to the gates of Hell! The morning star rose into hell three days to shine on Moses and from his solitary cell to free the Jack O' Roses He sprang to saddle like wind, I allow for bridle strains of lightning Ride, ride, ride, though tempest howl cruelly and most frightening For at the dawn fair Terrapin arose like revelation The morning star reflected in the windows of Terrapin Station Terrapin If anyone should ask of you who made this song say the Jack O' Roses and all who played along who rise, climb, fall to win Terrapin What have we to lose from love except what lacks foundation Words can only carve the space we fill with expectation The lion's den lies far behind in visions of the damned Jack O' Roses one more time My lady, here's your fan Terrapin let me rise, let me fall, let me climb, let me crawl but let me in Accept this fan as a token of what I meant to do for I really do love you
Ivory wheels on a rosewood track Quick Jack take us back to Terrapin Long John Silver at the wheel, you bet That deuce of a Stagger Lee in the firebox pouring sweat Smokestack thunder - pay the ticket price Clock in the sky says quarter to twice, we roll again Hello good soldier, where you been? You musta took the long way round to get to Terrapin Some for reasons great or small Rise, climb, fall, to get to Terrapin The demon's daughter used to lay for gin In a shack way back on the skirts of the fens of Terrapin The demon himself got drunk all night Collapsed at the sunrise service, he was very tight Cap'n Billy Lyon from Louisiana low Used to chase a bayou girl through here named Peggy-o Musta made pretty good time between Fennario and Delyon's club down in New Orleans Some say he died of love for Peggy-o But I believe it was Stagger Lee laid Billy low Some for reasons known but to them Rise, climb, fall, to get to Terrapin One-eyed sailor with a Cheshire grin That must be the Jack O'Roses bound for Terrapin
Robert Hunters version should be heard. He adds a few verses that jerry cut out. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mi2xRrwnRSs.htmlsi=FRkBgCrY6yrnb0zd
Thanks for following up with the reading of the lyrics to Terrapin. Your post caused me to look a little under the hood and I found "An Elegy for Jerry" by Robert Hunter so I figure I'd post it here and see what you think. Jerry my friend, you've done it again, even in your silence the familiar pressure comes to bear, demanding I pull words from the air with only this morning and part of the afternoon to compose an ode worthy of one so particular about every turn of phrase, demanding it hit home in a thousand ways before making it his own, and this I can't do alone Now that the singer is gone, where shall I go for the song? Without your melody of taste to lend an attitude of grace a lyric is an orphan thing, a hive with neither honey's taste nor the power to truly sting. What choice have I but to dare and call your music who thought to rest out of the thin blue air, that out of the field of shared time, a line or two might chance to shine. As ever when we called, in hope if not in words, the muse descends. How should she desert us now? Scars of battle on her brow, bedraggled feathers on her wings, yet she sings, she sings! May she bear thee to thy rest, the ancient bower of flowers beyond the solitude of days, the tyranny of hours- the wreath of shining laurel lie upon your shaggy head, bestowing power to play the lyre to legends of the dead. If some part of that music is heard in deepest dream, or on some breeze of Summer a snatch of golden theme, we'll know you live inside us with love that never parts our good old Jack O'Diamonds become the King of Hearts. I feel your silent laughter at sentiments so bold that dare to step across the line to tell what must be told, so I'll just say I love you which I've never said before and let it go at that old friend, the rest you may ignore.
Just found this, your other channel, from the reference to Robert Hunter on “Mirror” channel. Hunter might be the most influential poet of the last 50 years as there are a lot of people who hear his work all the time in the songs of Hunter/Garcia. He provides a poetry that on one hand provokes thought and on the other doesn’t tell you what to think of it. That path is for your steps alone. That Jerry Garcia could and would go through sheaths of Robert Hunters poetry/lyrics and select the ones that he thought he could put to music is astounding
@@thomassonmorrisinstruction Yes, near as I can tell that is the way it happened. Hunter was fairly prolific and would hand Garcia sheaths of lyrics to choose from. Hard to pin down what Garcia's process for picking them was (life, death, dark, eternal), but from what he picked he would sit down with Hunter and work them out on piano, changing some of the words here and there to suit the rythm and mood. There are over 100 songs they collaborated on that I can count and most likely more. Hunter lamented that when Garcia got busted in the 80's that a briefcase full of lyrics was put into evidence and never retrieved. That and he felt that Jerry's passing was way too soon as he felt that they had so much good work ahead of them. Regardless, here are some moments in Robert Hunters lyrics that are eternal to the human experience. And fun! Song: Uncle John's Band It's the same story the crow told me, it's the only one he knows Like the morning sun you come and like the wind you go Ain't no time to hate, barely time to wait Wo-oh, what I want to know, where does the time go? Song: Truckin' Sometimes the lights all shining on me Other times I can barely see Lately it occurs to me What a long strange trip it's been Song: The Wheel The wheel is turning and you can't slow down You can't let go and you can't hold on You can't go back and you can't stand still If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will... Small wheel turning by the fire and rod Big wheel turning by the grace of God Every time that wheel turn round Bound to cover just a little more ground Song: Ship Of Fools The bottles stand as empty now, as they were filled before Time there was and plenty, but from that cup no more Though I could not caution all, I still might warn a few Don't lend your hand to raise no flag atop no ship of fools Song: Scarlet Begonias Well I ain't often right but I've never been wrong It seldom turns out the way it does in the song Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right Song: Ripple If my words did glow with the gold of sunshine And my tunes were played on the harp unstrung Would you hear my voice come through the music? Would you hold it near, as it were your own? It's a hand-me-down, the thoughts are broken Perhaps they're better left unsung I don't know, don't really care Let there be songs to fill the air (note 1) Ripple in still water When there is no pebble tossed Nor wind to blow Reach out your hand if your cup be empty If your cup is full may it be again Let it be known there is a fountain That was not made by the hands of man There is a road, no simple highway Between the dawn and the dark of night And if you go, no one may follow That path is for your steps alone... Well good enough. There's so much more... Hope you find some of these fun and interesting, literally!
