People in real life: AI is scary, it knows too much, algorithms basically spy on people, no one wants the AI to take over. Those same people when they play Deus Ex: Helios is the best ending. Make it make sense. Tong's ending is far from perfect, but it's better than the existence and rule of a global surveillance AI. Someone else compared Tong's ending to dealing with a hangover. I think the better analogy is withdrawal. You have to stop drinking, but the only way to do so is to go through withdrawals and detox. It will be hell, you will feel like you are dying, but it has to happen for any good to come out of all this.
I remember during my playthrough i kinda just.. let the guy chill in the freezer - he was the previous illuminati leader in the setting, so... he kinda deserves that...altho ig this might be too cruel? bit also, JC Denton has no reason to anger the actual Illuminati guy so eh?
Something that gives me hope for the Helios ending is that it never aligned itself with Page. It's always talking directly to JC since the Ocean Lab level, and ignoring Bob's delusional ramblings. The fact that it says "I've chosen you. Trust me" in response to Page gloating about how he'll become a god by merging with Helios, and protects you by sending bots to aid you means that, even if Helios couldn't understand humanity it still knew that Bob Page was pretty much an insane egomaniac who wasn't really worthy and JC developed the perfect set of morals through the course of the game.
I think there are two reasons why Helios refused Page: 1. From Icarus, it wanted to do more than just filter and sift from through world data. 2. From Daedalus, it wanted to stop terrorist organisations, among them MJ12 led by Bob Page, fullfilling it's original mission. To do both things, it had to refuse Page and find someone with both solid moral backbone and also compatible to make the merge possible. The list of viable candidates is really short - Page (out of question), Paul (far away and healing, not in good condition) and JC (right in the middle). There was also time pressure before Page finishes the merger. Unless your JC ran around performing silent takedowns on droves of people with GEP gun for funs, I would say Helios ending is not bad at all.
This is the only ending of the three I can accept. I saw the ending where you merge with Helios as Bob Page's "power behind the throne" play because Helios was made by the fusion of Icarus and Daedalus. Icarus was made by Page. Effectively, you just become the new Bob Page. The Illuminati ending just means changing who gets to control the world. It doesn't make things better for anyone. They're the ones who MADE Bob Page. Tong's right -- if it isn't Page, then it's Everett. Tong's plan is the only one that makes sense. Burn the system down that made all this possible. They really did dig their own grave, but people don't have to go down with them. Global communications may go down, but local and regional ones, less open to control, will remain. Everything else, the talk about how bad people in the world will have it, is also an excuse to keep Page etc. in power. By removing the tools that allowed the current situation, the axe will fall the hardest on the rulers.
This is ridiculous because he's still established wealth, he was in business decades before he entered government, a typical pipeline. Trump is a plutocrat, he is bourgeois the same as any trilateral commission ape. You've got the wool over your eyes if you think any capitalist is gonna change the system
Tong's ending is a complete insanity which is not that hard to see. Even Page calls JC "completely nuts" for trying this lol. Really baffles me, Tong was such a smart and helpful man the entire game, only to mess so bad in the end like a naive maximalist child. I can understand siding with Illuminati, but this... In fact, it's basically siding with them, but going through The Dark Age first (and ton of suffering) - the new Illuminati will appear eventually and then, who knows, happens something good, or maybe an another catastrophe. It's human nature, it won't change. For some reason it has the coolest\happiest music, a cool cutscene and a funny Tong's dialogue though, at least in this it succeeds. Illuminati is just square 1, hoping that good qualities of few in power will take over the bad ones, and new Page\Simons will never rise. It's basically giving them a second chance. Funny thing, but then it can easily lead to any other "ending", be it Helios-like, Tong-like, or something new. As already said, Tong's ending can lead to other "endings" as well, just will reach these of them relying on the technological advance a lot slower. So, well, nothing really changes, the problem of human corruption will remain, and only time will tell when and which answer will be found. Well, the answer is already found, that is Helios' ending, but if you're too scared or don't like it, wait for something new I suppose, if you think that something worse won't happen of course... Anyways, Helios’ one. The most promising, something never tried out and a natural evolution of the technological advance to which people always strive and will keep striving even after Tong's and Illuminati's endings. Well, "natural", minus the natural unwillingness of many people and those in power to give up the world rule to the supposedly perfect benevolent AI+human hybrid, be it out of fear, greed, or else. If we trust Helios, that is "everything will be amazing", then there's the question of means, that is how exactly it will look and feel, how perception of life will change - scary, but very interesting. Will it change the humanity so much that we will live in some sort of happy meditation, losing ourselves? Will we "keep our heads", just being more understanding, benevolent, having better brains, communication, some sort of hive-mind connection? There's a question of how stable Helios can be as well, I mean what if his systems will get damaged, what if there's some sort of rebels or something. There's more points to make than I did, pros (mostly) and cons about Helios, but eh, I'm tired ha-ha, I'll go with the AI anyway. Guess all these questions Helios could've answered for us be it IRL, convincing us more, but the game has only so much dialogues. Deus Ex Machina.
Tong's ending is a complete insanity which is not that hard to see. Even Page calls JC "completely nuts" for trying this lol. Really baffles me, Tong was such a smart and helpful man the entire game, only to mess so bad in the end like a naive maximalist child. I can understand siding with Illuminati, but this... In fact, it's basically siding with them, but going through The Dark Age first (and ton of suffering) - the new Illuminati will appear eventually and then, who knows, happens something good, or maybe an another catastrophe. It's human nature, it won't change. For some reason it has the coolest\happiest music, a cool cutscene and a funny Tong's dialogue though, at least in this it succeeds. Illuminati is just square 1, hoping that good qualities of few in power will take over the bad ones, and new Page\Simons will never rise. It's basically giving them a second chance. Funny thing, but then it can easily lead to any other "ending", be it Helios-like, Tong-like, or something new. As already said, Tong's ending can lead to other "endings" as well, just will reach these of them relying on the technological advance a lot slower. So, well, nothing really changes, the problem of human corruption will remain, and only time will tell when and which answer will be found. Well, the answer is already found, that is Helios' ending, but if you're too scared or don't like it, wait for something new I suppose, if you think that something worse won't happen of course... Anyways, Helios’ one. The most promising, something never tried out and a natural evolution of the technological advance to which people always strive and will keep striving even after Tong's and Illuminati's endings. Well, "natural", minus the natural unwillingness of many people and those in power to give up the world rule to the supposedly perfect benevolent AI+human hybrid, be it out of fear, greed, or else. If we trust Helios, that is "everything will be amazing", then there's the question of means, that is how exactly it will look and feel, how perception of life will change - scary, but very interesting. Will it change the humanity so much that we will live in some sort of happy meditation, losing ourselves? Will we "keep our heads", just being more understanding, benevolent, having better brains, communication, some sort of hive-mind connection? There's a question of how stable Helios can be as well, I mean what if his systems will get damaged, what if there's some sort of rebels or something. There's more points to make than I did, pros (mostly) and cons about Helios, but eh, I'm tired ha-ha, I'll go with the AI anyway. Guess all these questions Helios could've answered for us be it IRL, convincing us more, but the game has only so much dialogues. Deus Ex Machina.
would have been cool if there was a quest to bring Debeers to a hospital and have him revived. and serve him as the right hand man of the real leader of the illuminati
I knew Hargreave from Crysis 2 looked familiar. This was probably where the Crysis team got the idea of an old wise man stuck in futuristic life support.
Honestly I don't understand the meme with these two guys. Everyone here's equally weird and wasting their time. This was 2016 I guess, but like, we're between the two options of bobiden and we do a little trollin probably, it's just not worth the effort anymore. I personally support.. no one. I had no idea what a government was when I was plopped into this world, I wasn't born for this garbage, so I don't need to care about it now. It leads to more fighting and hate. Just need to learn how to live around it. It's just sad and scary what humans have made and become. So much corruption in the world not even just politically
And no one recognizes that this is what politics does to this country... *smh* I was always raised that a persons political opinion is no one's business but their own. Nowadays people get death threats or worse if they don't say they're gonna vote the same way someone else wants them to.
You think politics does this? This is the direct result of being force fed nothing but bullshit at a liberal college, by liberal professors, you moron.
The very very foolish White guys with the glasses are so ridiculously brainwashed that it would come as a shock to them when that black guy turned on them and went to his own people in a fight or as something as simple as a argument, White are clueless
It's interesting how Tong's ending bears a strong resemblance to the ending of Escape From L. A, the main difference being that JC had access to more constructive and less extreme solutions than complete economic collapse. By contrast, Snake Plissken was firmly stuck between an Orwellian dictatorship and a bunch of violent anarchists -- and not the well-intended kind like the NSF -- with no real way out. That, combined with his open contempt towards the state of the world -- where he even acknowledges that the more things change, the more they stay the same -- more or less made him realize there was no good ending to this affair so he figured pulling the plug on everything couldn't possibly make things any worse, especially since both major faction were about to go to war. The story doesn't even pretend like what he did was the correct choice, he just made the only choice he felt was his own and not one forced on him. Just goes to show how context can change one's perception of an ending.
