Webber i fell would side whit Wagstaff for the same reason as woodie would, a chance to be helped, maybe Wagstaff can promise him that he would find a way to turn him back into a normal child same thing as Wes probably, he did get in the constant by complete accident after all
Another thing with Wes, in his short, “A 1st for Everything”, he dreams of power with his balloon mech. He wouldn’t even need to speak of the horrors he’s caused.
So I'm probably biased because I'm a Wortox stan who really dislikes Wagstaff and thinks Alter is equally as bad if not insidiously worse than the shadows, but here are my thoughts. I agree that his initial preference would be not picking sides. I think the importance he places on friendship (not as obviously as Wormwood does, but it's there) would make it painful when the rift started to form. Because of Krampus, and his reaction to other survivors turning murderous (cowering despite his powers to easily escape or fight back), he might be very afraid of ending up having to oppose one of his friends. (Side note, but with Wormwood, he would also absolutely hate becoming opposed to his friends but doesn't seem smart enough to think it through, so it wouldn't stop him) That being said, I could see Charlie swaying him for a few reasons. She's the one who holds the fun holiday events and Wortox has noticed, saying something like "I knew she liked to play games too!". I'd even argue she went out of her way to accommodate him with the Winter's Feast. She probably could've just provided food but instead made a game of it and made the food illusory so he could take part in feasting without hurting himself. Of course, the benefits of the feast are good for everyone, but for Wortox? A break from hunger is also a break from guilt. And that's important. If Charlie can do that for him every once in a while, why couldn't she do that more often? It would be incredibly tempting. There's no reason to think Wagstaff could help him like that; he's not a biologist or skilled in magic. Wortox can also be a bit naive and might be susceptible to Charlie's manipulation. You could argue he was only quoting Shakespeare so it doesn't count, but he called Charlie's story sad. She could potentially gain his sympathy, maybe make him think he's her beloved entertainer. That could be incredibly difficult to resist. (Another sidebar: I think Charlie doesn't trust Wortox as far as she could throw him. Like Wanda does, she finds Wortox unpredictable and didn't put him on the board because of it. Maybe she'll reach out later because his powers could be useful, though, or if she feels confident enough in her ability to emotionally manipulate him so he won't betray her.) Wortox's quotes about Wagstaff, on the other hand, seem more uncertain. Is he a brilliant illuminary, or a raving madman? It seems as though Wortox isn't entirely opposed to helping Wagstaff here and there, especially when it seems fun, but I think it would take more to get Wortox to side with Wagstaff. Wagstaff is also a human that invents things for human use, and Wortox doesn't value all the same things humans tend to; he's frequently baffled or amused by the way mortals differ from himself. Unless Wagstaff made an effort to make something Wortox would like, I think his inventions would have less of an appeal than to a human. I can't see Wortox siding with either of the deities/eldritch abominations directly. For one, I think he's more susceptible to getting attached to a person than a distant deity. Sometimes he'll joke, but he'll also occasionally show some horror about Alter's mutations. About Wurt's new lunar terraforming staff, he says not to be fooled by its light; it makes me think he's not one to be swayed by dark = evil and light = good black and white thinking that could lead some characters to favor Alter. Considering he's an imp that cares about doing the right thing, well, he's living proof that things aren't always so simple. He also likely knows more about Alter than any other character does because he could read the tablets about them. He doesn't seem to be a particular fan. His Triumphant skin's line about letting in shadows makes me think he does resist letting in shadows. You have to consider the context- this is something he only says after being tortured for who-knows-how-long because the throne does that to people. He has an appreciation for magic but also a wariness of it (understandable, considering his "curse"). He has some understanding of what the crown from Cult of the Lamb does, and is tempted by it, but ultimately rejects taking that power for himself. I suspect it might be similar with the shadows.
I honestly agree with literally everything here in this video, even with the most unexpected characters. But the only one I see not wanting to join the shadows or Charlie, would be Webber, sure, he doesn’t like the idea of being mutated by the moon like a few of the other spiders, but knowing Webber, I doubt he’d side with anything remotely evil or dark, mostly because of two reasons. First what he says when he’s plundered into pitch black darkness “We can’t see! I want my nightlight.” (I’m not sure if I got the quote correct), and secondly, by his short, despite not paying much attention at what his father and Wagstaff were talking about, I’m sure he’d at least catch a glimpse and somewhat understand where the whole spider incident came from, and also, knowing what Wagstaff is capable of, I wouldn’t doubt if Webber thought he knew a way to help them out of the Constant. So my final thought would be that Webber would most likely side with Wagstaff out of all people. Anywho, excuse me for the essay, but awesome vid! I was waiting to see if anyone would talk about this matter.
My god. This is what ive been thinking about ever since Wormwood got his skill tree. Im so glad someone went in depth into the potential survivor schism we may have to look forward to! Very well made video as well!
dunno if its something you could do, but maybe to add more versatility between characters maybe a third friend for some of these neat challenge runs would be cool, and yes to part 2 lol
I don't think Wendy really cares too much about her uncle, or even knows that Maxwell is her uncle. She seems rather indifferent towards him in her dialogue, which could indicate that she's unaware of his identity. She'd know that she has an uncle named William, and I believe that he faked his death at some point? Idk, but I don't really think that Wendy would side with Charlie. Wendy isn't stupid and she has no reason to side with Charlie unless she could offer her a way to revive Abigail or be able to be with Abigail. I feel like Wendy would side with the Shadows. She wouldn't trust Charlie as far as she could throw her, and Charlie wouldn't be able to give her what she wanted.
I don't even really understand what Charlies' motives even are. She has absolute control over the Constant, she keeps pulling people in, and those people keep opposing her. In every animation featuring Charlie, her machinations are either directly opposed by the cast, or what she does places everyone and the world itself at great risk, and must be beaten back with a pointed stick. But she makes no attempt to escape, and even grants the cast lifespans expanded well beyond what they might otherwise have had. Obviously, almost everyone except maxwell just wants to escape the Constant, but, does Charlie? Why is she amassing power? Why does she keep increasing her own opposition? Why is this amassing of power depicted as evil and bad, yet she's also seemingly standing against something even worse? Is she purposefully villianous, to give the cast a reason to arm up and learn to control these ancient magicks, or is she genuinely trying to kill them? How can any member of the cast stand beside her, besides Maxwell, who knew her, and who knows the power of the shadows, when they have no idea what her goals are? Really, these people have terminal cases of "inability to communicate".
WX78 likes both powers but not leaders he sees the reason Maxwell picked shadows so I think WX78 will pick the stronger power also Don't hate on my boi Wes them eyes have been through a lot I would have those eyes with his luck
I disagree on Wortox. He speaks like he is very knowledgable about the shadows, codex umbra and Them. Plus his curse makes me think he is already touched by the Shadows and would align with them.
not only would wilson side with wagstaff, i also think he is either his son or straight up a younger version of wagstaff. just look at their haircut, the way their forehead looks and the eyes. also idk if im crazy but i think wanda kinda looks like wilson
I feel like wanda could go either way. She has a VERY "means to an end" attitude about shadows, as evident for her quotes for the ancient gear and stuff like the shadow manipulator. I feel like she would definitely side with shadows if she felt they could help her accomplish whatever goals she has
I think Charlie could tempt Webber better with a motherly influence than cryptic Wagstaff. I think Wagstaff cares too much about his work and himself, whereas Charlie would pretend to care for Webber.
I disagree with your assessment of Walter. While yes, it is true that Walter has trouble recognizing danger, he is not completely oblivious to the constant's circumstances, being aware that it's a separate world, which he wants to leave, partially because he misses his mother. For his alignment, I DO think there is a case for him siding with a deity directly. As we see in the tales of the constant short heavily featuring him, Woby has some sort of connection to the shadow watcher, sniffing him out and being friendly to him. There's a good chance Walter could side with the shadows purely because of this, and the promise he made to return Woby to her owner. Walter is also someone who wants to help at every turn, and if he were to recognize the danger and destruction either side could cause, it might bring him to side with the opposite faction. Truly, I think he should side with Alter, purely because his Moonbound skin is cooler than his triumphant skin.
I feel like wanda would side with Charlie, if not with the shadows. After all, her watches run on shadow magic. Inspection quote for a moon shard: "It would make a perfect watch crystal, if only it played nice with shadow magic."
I'm pretty sure that Wickerbottom would be a moon ally. Shadows burned her library. She study them and she understands them very good - they are enemy. She cant sleep because of Nightmares. She has Moon amulet (with green stone in it, nontheless!) with her that acts like a key to her secret base. Her secret base has a lot locked away shadow related items. So yea, shadows want to keep their secrets because they are in the wrong hands.
As someone who's obsessed with Wendy I've actually always personally been an enjoyer of lunar aligned Wendy, as while I do think actually aligning with alter would end poorly for her and she would have regrets, I also feel like generally speaking Wendy is actually quite allured to a lot of lunar stuff and the concepts behind the lunar side as a whole. This is mainly a difference in how I view Wendy's edginess tho, as I kind of feel like it was born out of a feeling of being completely trapped in her pain, with pre constant her being seemingly left to grieve to herself, and then later being well. Trapped in the constant. Longing for an escape from the pain is something that seems to be a running theme in Wendy's dialogue too, which all in all makes me feel like she actually would be pretty suceptable to being influenced by alter. At the end of the day, she's just a kid who feels trapped at rock bottom, and while I think she'd be scared to lean into the false hope alter brings, I think that a hypothetical lunar aligned Wendy would follow alter much more genuinely than a shadow aligned Wendy would follow either the shadows or Charlie. Oh also if I may be mildly insane for a second and try to characterise Abigail a character with no dialogue and mostly second hand characterisation, I very much enjoy the idea that she would personally side with the shadows if she could. Largely because what the shadows offer is pure power, and I think Abby would be allured by that for the sake of protecting Wendy. I just think it'd be a fun dynamic if they would be tempted by different sides for each other's sake
All of these are super fair and well done. On top on what's said, there's also the fact Willow spits at anything that's cold. The Moon Caller Staff and Endothermic fires are probably the only cold items (and ice cream..) that she doesn't outright hate, but all the lunar stuff otherwise seems to annoy her or outright disturb her, and she seems pretty openly impressed by anything 'cool' - which shadow fire is. Although Lunar Bernie fighting off shadows for her could make sense, shadows were never her enemy. And it kind of feels like he could have been a shadow entity all along... not to mention her comfort with insanity, the Night Light, and her lack of fear of Charlie--or anything else really ("I'm not afraid of you!"). Shadow / Charlie's world also represents that independence and freedom from crappy people for her. I could imagine her being the next Charlie, even, assuming she that always feels in control about it. Wagstaff is just another dork who probably represents the gist of what she has no use for anymore. I'm just kind of projecting and trying to justify my choices, since I'm having a lot of fun with Shadow Bernie+Burning Bernie (Shadow Fire also very cool) despite the Lunar stuff being arguably so much more convenient and powerful at times (not to mention what it seems EVERYONE prefers). ...Although maybe in the end she'd pick based off what her Constant friends pick, because there's that side of her you see that kind of comes off like she's having fun and making some [friends] and the real power for her was the Constant friends she made along the way (!!) (As a side note, I'm surprised she isn't obsessed with endothermic fire and cold drinks. I get that she likes to burn stuff, but overheating is the worst IRL. From a Florida girl perspective, Banana Shake is just as good as Ice Cream and both would compliment that icy fire so you don't have to pull away from your triple bonfires during a summer night!)
Thank you! And yeah ultimately I feel like they'll all pick whatever their closest friends and allies would pick :) It doesn't get anywhere near hot where I'm from but I'd kill for an endothermic fire around this time of year too..
wandas quotes for lunar alighned items like pure briliance and moonglass hint at her wanting to make another pact with an other worldly entity, and she is aware of the fact that the price of her power was being chased by the shadows, but again, from her quotes she is scared of what charlie will do with the shadows power, so i'd say she is obligated to work with the shadows, tempted to be with the lunar, half sidedly helps wagstaff out of curiousity, and is worried about what charlie will do
I think Webber would be more inclined to side with Wagstaff given how in his short, we see that Wagstaff was a family friend or at least an acquaintance to his father. Although as you said, given what the moon does to spiders, perhaps Webber's other half wouldn't want to pick the same side
to be fair, he has a lunar skin that says something along the lines of "lunar power ain't that bad" so maybe he just "agreed" with charlie just to get the short term benefits, then break it once it suits him.
Nice video! Instantly though of DnD char alignments, or similar to: Evil (Charlie) - Neutral/Chaotic Evil (Shadow) - Neutral - Neutral Good (Wagstaff Don't Starve) - Good (Altar)
i wouldve assumed wanda would side with the shadows directly because she's already basically stealing magic from them and doesnt seem to have any important interactions with lunar stuff though i do expect at some point soon that she gets something big that has to do with scraps and such so maybe... i just cant see her doing the lunar side stuff because she's already so shadow themed. i also think wortox would side with charlie because theyre just evil buddies. realistically, wes wouldnt side with shadows in any way, because he was trapped by maxwell and had a generally bad time with shadows already. would probably be with wagstaff
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